List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[Maison]

Schultz would be 2nd Band compensation next year if we can wait. If freo insist on being unreasonable wait till next year and watch them melt down

 

[sam_e]

GW is up to something I reckon.

To let Adams go so easily before signing Schultz?

I don't rate Adams as highly as others. But he was our vice captain and still had a year on his contract so it does seem a bit odd?

I cannot imagine Sydney would have made our life that easy had Adams been a Swans player?

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-significant back-ended deal with 1-year to run >> '2024 cap saving
-beyond '24 likely offered 1-year on way less coin ..which may well have been received like lead-fart on the hiddenburg
-midfield minutes taken over by Mitchell / NickD
-residual mid minutes likely to be taken over by Finn ..no guarantees but appears as if he's been assured he will get a look in, in 2024
-squad demographic: 10 players in => 30 yo bracket ..need to progressively transition this cohort

 

[Antz]

Schultz would be 2nd Band compensation next year if we can wait. If freo insist on being unreasonable wait till next year and watch them melt down

The only problem with waiting until next year is that other clubs will be wanting him as well. We don't want the competition.

 

[swoop42]

It'd be cheaper to just take out a hit on Grundy surely?

A lot of that going on in Sydney so you know plausible deniability though the bad guys generally don't get around on a scooter.

 

[manicpie]

Sounds like the value you get out of Grundy is when you trade him.

 

[Jafo]

In what world is Esava worth pick 24, let alone more than that? I feel like I’m living in the twilight zone.

Return of the Mack

 

[stormskye]

Schultz would be 2nd Band compensation next year if we can wait. If freo insist on being unreasonable wait till next year and watch them melt down

Risk is another club offering him more $ next year, and he’s likely to increase in value on his current trajectory. We’d want to get it done now hence the 5 year offer

 

[KinderSmock]

But kinder said kreuger was gone. I’m shocked

At one point, Adelaide were interested but they chose Burgess instead. Always next year.

That said, I'd take Kreuger over Will Kelly.

 

[nasi175]

Melbourne have 11, they are trading it to us?


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Is that the actual draft number or their predicted draft number. Morally they should swap that pick with us considering how better they are.

 

[anshell]

Not sure why people are struggling to guess about when Adams became disenchanted. It has nothing to do with MacRae and it's all to do with getting Mitchell. Mitchell does everything Adams does, is around the same age. He is more durable and plays the role more effectively.

Yes,I think it’s more of a case of noses being out of joint,rather than the length of contracts that a lot of people are using as the reason for him leaving.

 

[Hardas]

It's been very quiet on the Jack Billings front.

Good.

 

[JLC]

The only problem with waiting until next year is that other clubs will be wanting him as well. We don't want the competition.

Yup we are contending again - we don't wait.


I hope and expect we do more than just Schultz.







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[JuniorB]

As others have mentioned, pick 33 was about par for Adams, especially given the back-ended nature of his contract.
I think pick 19 is about right for Schultz - if we wait a year, something like that is what Freo will get anyway, so they might as well take it now.
As for pick 33 and 38, Gold Coast have 6 picks in the 20s and 30s which will get chewed up matching bids, both of those will come in a bit.
There might also be a bid for Croft.
Pick 33 could end up a late 20s pick.

 

[davywap]

Yes,I think it’s more of a case of noses being out of joint,rather than the length of contracts that a lot of people are using as the reason for him leaving.

Think about what you're saying, if he's not 100% happy and then offered 3 years over 1, then it's mostly about the length of the contract. If he's only offered 1 then I'd be confident he would've stayed.

 

[Frogs]

Is it just me or did Melbourne get a better deal for Grundy than we did for Adams? One guy couldn't get a game the other clearly in the best 22 and a member of the leadership group

 

[Dundalis]

The only problem with waiting until next year is that other clubs will be wanting him as well. We don't want the competition.

While true, I think it's worth betting on ourselves as the primary destination if the compensation asked for is too high. We were the third oldest premiership list in about 80 years. I know Schultz is 25 and not old, but the number of promising players in the development age at this club considering the age of some of the players we are relying on is really really low.

 

[PIE TILL I DIE]

Nah, you got as good as you gave. Stop playing the victim.

Yeah I gave back but they started on me no victims here buddy just facts don’t insult people then get your back up when they give back we can all defend ourselves from insulting comments but let’s just move on I don’t have any issues with anyone on here I’ve been reading this site for many years just joined a couple years ago because I love the views everyone has we shouldn’t be arguing amongst ourselves we are all part of this Collingwood family so hope that settles things and we can just focus on the club instead of each other

 

[regpies]

Is it just me or did Melbourne get a better deal for Grundy than we did for Adams? One guy couldn't get a game the other clearly in the best 22 and a member of the leadership group

Yes they did, they also aren’t paying any of his contract.

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

I reckon Brodie got into Tay’s ear before the GF. “Come up to Sydney with me.” As this was on the cards then.
Adams probably a little emotional contacted his agent…….etc.

 

[sr36]

Oliver had heaps of potential and is a lot younger. Was also unfortunately out of contract. We got what, pick 25?

Feels like Karma to me.

I hope Port hang tough as the offer is reasonable for a player with a history of injury and one who has been tried and failed as a forward, as a ruck and remains a promising but in reality untested key defender across a full season.

Then of course he's uncontracted and could be persuaded to enter the PSD and be snapped up for free by Hawthorn prior to any Geelong selection or Port if Geelong and Mackie don't go full c*** mode.

Cats ended up throwing in Cooper Stephens.

 

[Scodog10]

They'll pay more. He's got the potential to be very good in arguably the most important position on the park.

Under for me as well. I’d be stoked to lock up our KPD post for 6-8 years at the cost of a pick about 30.

 

[Apex36]

Yeah I gave back but they started on me no victims here buddy just facts don’t insult people then get your back up when they give back we can all defend ourselves from insulting comments but let’s just move on I don’t have any issues with anyone on here I’ve been reading this site for many years just joined a couple years ago because I love the views everyone has we shouldn’t be arguing amongst ourselves we are all part of this Collingwood family so hope that settles things and we can just focus on the club instead of each other

Ingy had a point. That wall of text is incredibly difficult to read.

 

[PIE TILL I DIE]

All love here apologies if I offended anyone up the PIES

 

[JuniorB]

Is it just me or did Melbourne get a better deal for Grundy than we did for Adams? One guy couldn't get a game the other clearly in the best 22 and a member of the leadership group

It's largely irrelevant now - deals done, move on.
F**k the lot of them.
Lets go back to back!

 

[Moore of the Same]

Yes they did, they also aren’t paying any of his contract.

The situations leading to both trades are vastly different though.