List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[sr36]

To be fair to McDonald, he debuted with a bang, 3.1, 11 disposals and 5 marks is a cracking first game for a KPF, so that’s really your glimpse of the future, much like Thilthorpes debut last year.
Now McDonald isn’t in stellar form, but Thilthorpe couldn’t even make the 22 this week, so I’m not sure why Logan gives pause for thought but he doesn’t.
IMO they’re both going to be very good key talls in the future. Not freak athletes like the Kings, but they’ll be up there with the better key forwards of the league in 3-4 years.

It was a genuine question more than a dig. According to the media, he had clubs circling with contracts so there's got to be more than I've seen. I just haven't seen it, so I'm curious about what it is. He's just looked like a standard tall prospect without anything special about him in the games I've seen.

 

[Apex36]

Thilthorpe being dropped said more for Nicks than Thilthorpe so let’s leave that to the side. Talking purely AFL traits in those glimpses and I just haven’t seen it yet from McDonald.

Thilthorpe is every bit the freak athlete the Kings are at that 200cm size, JUH moves so smoothly with this innate sense for goals, Cox the same as the other two with his movement plus those skills wow, Perkins just does the right things, DGB is already rock solid in defence and Campbell is starting to shine with that exquisite left boot. Aside from that first up performance (v good mind you) what standout AFL traits is he showing you? His contested work? His ability to get up and down the ground? If I go back to Fogarty he also had a standout game early on (he kicked 5 in his 12th match).

FWIW I am a firm advocate of McDonald and us investing in similar guys early in the 2022 draft, but right now I feel like Sr’s questioned was justified and I’d like to see the next layer from him. It is pause only it’s definitely not Kelly style alarm bells.

Agree he hasn’t shown the same ability to get up and down the ground he did in juniors, which along with his overhead ability, but I’m confident that will come with a bit more time. Fwiw too, Fogarty’s 5 goal game wasn’t particularly early, it was mid way through his second year after he’d been in and out of the side. He’s one I was wanting to draft over Stephenson in 2017, and frankly I’m glad we didn’t now, because although he’s a gorgeous set shot, he just doesn’t seem to have the forward smarts required to cut it at AFL level for a top tier key forward, particularly one of his relatively short stature for the position.

 

[nahnah]

I think Sr was hinting at something slightly different. I agree that they’ve had slow starts overall, but all of JUH, Thilthorpe, Cox, Perkins, DGB and Campbell have shown glimpses of the future. The two from that top 10 that would give me pause on that front right now are Phillips and McDonald (they’ve got time though). Reid and Hollands haven’t really been sighted.

It was the draft year heavily impacted by covid, wouldn't surprise me if there are quite a few players that dont pan out is all. Perkins is the only one I would be super confident in at the moment

 

[sr36]

It was the draft year heavily impacted by covid, wouldn't surprise me if there are quite a few players that dont pan out is all. Perkins is the only one I would be super confident in at the moment

WAAFL, where McDonald played, had a pretty full season.

 

[Apex36]

It was the draft year heavily impacted by covid, wouldn't surprise me if there are quite a few players that dont pan out is all. Perkins is the only one I would be super confident in at the moment

Only the eastern states were really heavily impacted. McDonald got a full season in, finals and all. Got a WAFL senior premiership iirc.

 

[Scodog10]

It was the draft year heavily impacted by covid, wouldn't surprise me if there are quite a few players that dont pan out is all. Perkins is the only one I would be super confident in at the moment

Players taken in the 2019-2023 drafts will all be heavily impacted by Covid so I don’t personally see it as a factor with the top 10. I think 6 guys in the top 10 at KP height might be a greater indicator of the rate in which that draft is developing.

 

[sr36]

Players taken in the 2019-2023 drafts will all be heavily impacted by Covid so I don’t personally see it as a factor with the top 10. I think 6 guys in the top 10 at KP height might be a greater indicator of the rate in which that draft is developing.

Plus a pretty small inside mid in Phillips - another role that also often takes a while, due to how contested the role is.

 

[Scodog10]

Plus a pretty small inside mid in Phillips - another role that also often takes a while, due to how contested the role is.

I personally wouldn’t like us investing that type of collateral into that type of player (small inside mid), but yeah even though he’s given me pause it’s not a situation you’d expect someone to make an impact in within 25 matches. Unless you’re a freak like Walsh!

 

[sr36]

I personally wouldn’t like us investing that type of collateral into that type of player (small inside mid), but yeah even though he’s given me pause it’s not a situation you’d expect someone to make an impact in within 25 matches. Unless you’re a freak like Walsh!

Agree, to be worth that, you'd expect him to have the tricks to be effective on the outside or in a small forward role - whilst his body matures. Selwood, Judd, Wines were the other really ready to go insiders that I can think of and Ollie was massive and Judd just a freak athlete. I'm sure there's a fair few more though - but it does often take a while.

 

[snagbreac]

Getting Dow would aid us with another cheap acquisition in the midfield. Lochie O'Brien

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or Kennedy could be another good pickup. Gold Coast would have talent that won't cost much.

Managing the 2020 draft class needs to be careful. We can't keep the amount we took on our list forever. At the end of the season, there has to be at least three spots open.

 

[snagbreac]

Stupid idea but could we recruit Jaidyn Stephenson

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? Cheap product, he won't be worth more than a third. Buy low, retrain him and with a new game plan return him to pre-dickhead Stevo of 2019?

 

[AndrewShawble]

Stupid idea but could we recruit Jaidyn Stephenson? Cheap product, he won't be worth more than a third. Buy low, retrain him and with a new game plan return him to pre-dickhead Stevo of 2019?

Where’s Will Smith when you need him

 

[Soups]

Getting Dow would aid us with another cheap acquisition in the midfield. Lochie O'Brien or Kennedy could be another good pickup. Gold Coast would have talent that won't cost much.

Managing the 2020 draft class needs to be careful. We can't keep the amount we took on our list forever. At the end of the season, there has to be at least three spots open.

Please tell me you mean Dow’s brother

 

[Chrispiesssss]

We should be looking around the Melbourne FC’s list imo. If Jackson signs on this year, they’re bound to lose another best 22 player.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Stupid idea but could we recruit Jaidyn Stephenson

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Jaidyn Stephenson

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25

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189cm

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79kg

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13.2

3star

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8.8

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4.4

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4.7

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2.6

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G

1.5

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D

11.0

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K

6.7

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HB

4.3

3star

M

3.5

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T

2.7

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

12.6

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K

8.0

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

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T

3.4

5star

G

1.4

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? Cheap product, he won't be worth more than a third. Buy low, retrain him and with a new game plan return him to pre-dickhead Stevo of 2019?

We can’t afford his contract, remember?

 

[cakewalk06]

We should be looking around the Melbourne FC’s list imo. If Jackson signs on this year, they’re bound to lose another best 22 player.

disagree unless the player comes for negligible trade cost and not on big pay rise... i think sometimes the bit players in a well-drilled team like 2022 Melbourne can sometimes look a lot better than they will be in a developing side. It's a bit of a false economy, IMO

 

[snagbreac]

We can’t afford his contract, remember?

It would be reduced now by his own accord.

 

[JuniorB]

Stupid idea but could we recruit Jaidyn Stephenson? Cheap product, he won't be worth more than a third. Buy low, retrain him and with a new game plan return him to pre-dickhead Stevo of 2019?

He hasn't reached post-dickhead status yet - he had that drunken bike accident last year. In some respects he's like Jordy - he keeps getting into trouble off field. And, like Jordy, he has talent - it's about harnessing it on a consistent basis.

 

[Scodog10]

Please tell me you mean Dow’s brother

I like Paddy as one to watch, but I’m certain Thomson finishes his career as the better of the two! He showed a lot last year for a kid that’s a little while off it.

 

[Horaceg]

disagree unless the player comes for negligible trade cost and not on big pay rise... i think sometimes the bit players in a well-drilled team like 2022 Melbourne can sometimes look a lot better than they will be in a developing side. It's a bit of a false economy, IMO

I think it’s more so looking at the Lipinski types, good footballers looking for / needing opportunities. You don’t always get lucky like we seem to have but there is benefit in looking. We lost Witts for cheap in similar circumstances.

 

[sr36]

disagree unless the player comes for negligible trade cost and not on big pay rise... i think sometimes the bit players in a well-drilled team like 2022 Melbourne can sometimes look a lot better than they will be in a developing side. It's a bit of a false economy, IMO

Sheedy used to make a killing selling Essendon fringe players for twice what they were worth. Doesn't seem to happen anymore though.

 

[Apex36]

I think it’s more so looking at the Lipinski types, good footballers looking for / needing opportunities. You don’t always get lucky like we seem to have but there is benefit in looking. We lost Witts for cheap in similar circumstances.

Fwiw, Witts cost GC about double what Lippa cost us (and it was still unders imo). We’ve gotten a pretty big bargain here.

 

[Scodog10]

Fwiw, Witts cost GC about double what Lippa cost us (and it was still unders imo). We’ve gotten a pretty big bargain here.

I’d say it’s likely to be pretty even in terms of cost actually considering our compensation went toward C Brown and there’s went to Darcy. Definitely think it was a bargain considering PSD was never on the cards.

 

[BEEG]

I actually think Hopper is one to look out for.

Greene has really taken that inside bull role.

25 has shown a stack at the top level.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I think it’s more so looking at the Lipinski types, good footballers looking for / needing opportunities. You don’t always get lucky like we seem to have but there is benefit in looking. We lost Witts for cheap in similar circumstances.

All we need to do is find more Treloars, sign them on over inflated contracts, dump them on another club and subsidise their salaries, wait a year, then wait to see who gets squeezed out of that teams 22…. So we can then pick up that player for a bargain.