List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[Jen2310]

This is mitigated by the fact picks can be traded two years in advance.

Yup, which is how we'll accumilate points. We'll dig into 2026 picks and move them forward.

 

[sr36]

Thing about points next year, no pick after 54 will contain any points

2024 Draft Value Index​

Round One	Round Two	Round Three	Round Four	Round Five
Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​
1. 3000	19. 948	37. 483	55. 207	73. 9
2. 2517	20. 912	38. 465	56. 194	74. -
3. 2234	21. 878	39. 446	57. 182	75. -
4. 2034	22. 845	40. 429	58. 170	76. -
5. 1878	23. 815	41. 412	59. 158	77. -
6. 1751	24. 785	42. 395	60. 146	78. -
7. 1644	25. 756	43. 378	61. 135	79. -
8. 1551	26. 729	44. 362	62. 123	80. -
9. 1469	27. 703	45. 347	63. 112	81. -
10. 1395	28. 677	46. 331	64. 101	82. -
11. 1329	29. 653	47. 316	65. 90	83 -
12. 1268	30. 629	48. 302	66. 80
13. 1212	31. 606	49. 287	67. 69
14. 1161	32. 584	50. 273	68. 59
15. 1112	33. 563	51. 259	69. 49
16. 1067	34. 542	52. 246	70. 39
17. 1025	35. 522	53. 233	71. 29
18. 985	36. 502	54. 220	72. 19

2025 Draft Value Index​

Round One	Round Two	Round Three	Round Four	Round Five
Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​	Pick/Pts​
1. 3000	19. 796	37. 297	55. -	73. -
2. 2481	20. 757	38. 277	56. -	74. -
3. 2178	21. 721	39. 257	57. -
4. 1962	22. 686	40. 238	58. -
5. 1795	23. 653	41. 220	59. -
6. 1659	24. 621	42. 202	60. -
7. 1543	25. 590	43. 184	61. -
8. 1443	26. 561	44. 167	62. -
9. 1355	27. 533	45. 150	63. -
10. 1276	28. 505	46. 134	64. -
11. 1205	29. 479	47. 118	65. -
12. 1140	30. 454	48. 102	66. -
13. 1080	31. 429	49. 86	67. -
14. 1024	32. 405	50. 71	68. -
15. 973	33. 382	51. 57	69. -
16. 924	34. 360	52. 42	70. -
17. 879	35. 338	53. 28	71. -
18. 836	36. 317	54. 14	72. -

I know. Round two picks become the matching picks for the top academy and father son kids, which means lots of them will disappear and thus round 3 picks will become more valuable in the draft.

It'll change things a lot.

However, I think with a deep draft, it'll be possible to do a R3 to R2 pick upgrade for someone to move up, or something like that when there's a kid who someone really likes still available in the late 40s when our picks come up.

 

[jmac70]

It’s times like this, I think of the gimp. He hated my guts, which is understandable. But gee I would have liked him to see these times.

He would have loved getting Houston.

Another flag is incoming Gimp.

 

[HyPIEcrite]

Spoke to Membreys mate earlier who hadn't heard anything about him coming to us.

Not saying he won't but I'm trying to find out.

It's my only tenuous link to any inside AFL info lol

Thankyou for your service


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[Ugene41]

Agree. None of them fill me with much excitement if we get a couple of injuries to our mids.

We have Naicos, Mitchell, JDG, Crisp, Perryman, Pendles, Sidebottom, Allan, Lipinski that we can rotate through the centre square.

Houston and Jaicos can probably be added to the rotation also

 

[leon123]

I've already said this but which other teams thus far have gotten better this trade period?

Still a bit to play out perhaps but... at quick glance the teams improving their list (not treading water or going backwards) is us, Adelaide, Fremantle, Gold Coast, Hawthorn... and maybe to Geelong and WCE? Only two of those sides finished above us this year.

Adelaide - yes, adding Peatling, Cumming, ANB

Brisbane - no. Losing Daniher, Sharp, maybe Robertson.

Carlton - No, although adding Haynes they're losing Owies who's their third best forward

Essendon - no, likely losing Stringer and not doing much else.

Fremantle - yes, adding Bolton

Geelong - probably. Adding Smith but losing Tuohy and Hawkins. Assuming Oliver isn't happening...

Gold Coast - probably. Adding Rioli and Noble but losing Lukosius.

GWS - no, gaining Stringer but lost/losing Perryman, Cumming and Peatling

Hawthorn - yes, adding Battle and Barrass

Melbourne - no, adding Sharp... but losing ANB

North Melbourne - probably only adding Parker

Port - no, losing Houston but adding Lukosius, Richards & Atkins

Richmond - lol

Sydney - no real movement other than losing Parker?

St Kilda - probably breaking even by adding Macrae but losing Battle.

WCE - yes by adding Baker, Graham, Owies but at the same time losing 2 best 22 players in Barrass and Darling. Low base though.

Bulldogs - no. Losing Smith, Macrae and maybe Daniel but not really replacing them with much.

lots of detail there, which is great.

but, in summary, what you are saying is, Pies winning GF in 2025?

 

[TradeDraft]

Still concerned we have bytel,long,sully and mcrae as our midfield depth. Need to get rid of atleast 2 of them.

Bytel and Sully I think the 2 to go

 

[FromTheBoundaryLine]

Not just that. But trade period unless you are an experience mid, this time of year is not good for inside mids. Its a phase that clubs have eased off, and prefer to get more talented ones from the draft, or DFA

Like the new avatar Jen. Can’t wait for trading to be replaced by training.

 

[unplugged]

lots of detail there, which is great.

but, in summary, what you are saying is, Pies winning GF in 2025?

I probably missed a few names, it wasn't intended to be that long-winded. But yes, in short, the flag is ours.

 

[celestial]

Jen2310 with the players currently out of contract, and the current draft hand, how are we looking from list spots point of view?

 

[MadDogMundez]

I've already said this but which other teams thus far have gotten better this trade period?

Still a bit to play out perhaps but... at quick glance the teams improving their list (not treading water or going backwards) is us, Adelaide, Fremantle, Gold Coast, Hawthorn... and maybe to Geelong and WCE? Only two of those sides finished above us this year.

Adelaide - yes, adding Peatling, Cumming, ANB

Brisbane - no. Losing Daniher, Sharp, maybe Robertson.

Carlton - No, although adding Haynes they're losing Owies who's their third best forward

Essendon - no, likely losing Stringer and not doing much else.

Fremantle - yes, adding Bolton

Geelong - probably. Adding Smith but losing Tuohy and Hawkins. Assuming Oliver isn't happening...

Gold Coast - probably. Adding Rioli and Noble but losing Lukosius.

GWS - no, gaining Stringer but lost/losing Perryman, Cumming and Peatling

Hawthorn - yes, adding Battle and Barrass

Melbourne - no, adding Sharp... but losing ANB

North Melbourne - probably only adding Parker

Port - no, losing Houston but adding Lukosius, Richards & Atkins

Richmond - lol

Sydney - no real movement other than losing Parker?

St Kilda - probably breaking even by adding Macrae but losing Battle.

WCE - yes by adding Baker, Graham, Owies but at the same time losing 2 best 22 players in Barrass and Darling. Low base though.

Bulldogs - no. Losing Smith, Macrae and maybe Daniel but not really replacing them with much.

Brisbane is adding another Ashcroft though. Can play

 

[Jen2310]

Jen2310 with the players currently out of contract, and the current draft hand, how are we looking from list spots point of view?

currently we have 1 senior spot available before list changes.
Because
Perryman = Murphy
Houston = Noble
Richards = 1 vacant.

We were over the rookie list spots during the season, but then with Begg delisted, we are at capacity with 6.

We have 2 senior listed players OOC

 

[Jen2310]

Brisbane is adding another Ashcroft though. Can play

And Academy kid Marshall, can play too.

 

[celestial]

Bytel and Sully I think the 2 to go

Was thinking long and bytel. Hope people haven't forgotten about long's atrocious disposal .

 

[Jen2310]

Like the new avatar Jen. Can’t wait for trading to be replaced by training.

Less than 3 weeks away now.

Cheers. I aimed for something different, so found something with a J on it.

 

[JLC]

currently we have 1 senior spot available before list changes.
Because
Perryman = Murphy
Houston = Noble
Richards = 1 vacant.

We were over the rookie list spots during the season, but then with Begg delisted, we are at capacity with 6.

We have 2 senior listed players OOC

So we don't actually have the list spots for Tomlinson, Hayes or Membrey? As we need to have a selection in National draft?

 

[magpies42]

I know you prefer we be involved in the draft but I seriously can’t stress enough to you that with McGuane in next year and a bunch of gun RFAs becoming available this was 1000% the right move

There is a very very strong chance Hine would have wasted an early pick

Hine is up there with the very best in the business, trading in isn’t a guaranteed outcome either by the way.

I get the fascination with Houston, bringing A grade talent (particularly when it suits your game style) should always be a priority. I do feel that again we undervalued out assets and lost this trade on face value, which of course can always be vindicated with a premiership. I agree we are better placed now to win it again, than what we were at the start of the trade period.

If we don’t win the premiership, then I think the trade will be looked at very differently! I’m neutral at this stage.

 

[jmac70]

We have Naicos, Mitchell, JDG, Crisp, Perryman, Pendles, Sidebottom, Allan, Lipinski that we can rotate through the centre square.

Houston and Jaicos can probably be added to the rotation also

We will overwhelm sides with our relentless running and continuous ball movement.

A black and white tsunami is coming.

 

[jmac70]

Hine is up there with the very best in the business, trading in isn’t a guaranteed outcome either by the way.

I get the fascination with Houston, bringing A grade talent (particularly when it suits your game style) should always be a priority. I do feel that again we undervalued out assets and lost this trade on face value, which of course can always be vindicated with a premiership. I agree we are better placed now to win it again, than what we were at the start of the trade period.

If we don’t win the premiership, then I think the trade will be looked at very differently! I’m neutral at this stage.

Lost the trade?
FMD

 

[sr36]

Brisbane is adding another Ashcroft though. Can play

Is this the last one of the ****ers or is it a constant tap?

 

[celestial]

currently we have 1 senior spot available before list changes.
Because
Perryman = Murphy
Houston = Noble
Richards = 1 vacant.

We were over the rookie list spots during the season, but then with Begg delisted, we are at capacity with 6.

We have 2 senior listed players OOC

Would have to think the potential additions of membrey, hayes, tomlinson, potentially keeping dean , will push us towards trading away most of the draft picks, or at the very least bundle all of them for a single mid second round pick.

 

[Dundalis]

Because we gave up too much. A half back flanker is not worth that much. Especially when our spine is so poor.

You need to balance your objectives. We have one of the worst groups of young players in the league. We missed finals this year and are relying on having a dream run with injury to be competitive again

The problem is we don't have a straight forward way to rectify the youth issue short term. I really want the team to stock up on draft picks, believe me, we need to. But I think you are underestimating how good Houston is, but more importantly how he directly impacts us specifically due to our game style. Our offense has been predicated on scoring from defensive rebound under McRae, and it fell off a fair bit this season. Dan Houston is probably the most damaging rebound 50 player in the entire league. And so while he isn't a spine player, either a KPP, or inside mid type that we need, what he's elite at is actually a fundamental requirement for driving how our system has been built to operate for 3 years.

Also people saying we gave up pick 13 AND Noble, are over stating what we gave up. We didn't have pick 13 AND Noble, we had Noble, or pick 13 since they were traded for each other.

I disliked the Schultz trade last year, because there was nothing about his skillset critical to our playstyle, and he also was never an elite level player. And I wanted us to stop wasting draft picks we needed to rebuild the team. But Houston is a completely different caliber of player, he's not the exact same player skillset wise, but he can have a Jimmy Clement level of impact on the team out of defense IMO. We still have a lot of work to do to rebuild this team for the next 5-10 years (A LOT hinges on how good a player Tom McGuane ends up developing into I think, as the better he is, the more he mitigates losing the future first), but I can't fault them simply because of how good Houston is, in fact I think if Houston played for a Vic side, he'd have cost even more as more people would be more cognizant of how good he is. We need him off half back, but I think he's someone who could transition into midfield if given the opportunity similarly to a guy like Jordan Dawson who played mostly HB the first half of his career.

 

[Exambolor]

On all time draft misfires I would like to reflect on the Scum’s 2017 draft

Had two picks in the Top 10 and they got Dow at 3 and O’Brien at 10 for the Gibbs trade. One now playing for Sandy and the other out of the league at 25.

 

[Jen2310]

Would have to think the potential additions of membrey, hayes, tomlinson, potentially keeping dean , will push us towards trading away most of the draft picks, or at the very least bundle all of them for a single mid second round pick.

how so? By afl rules, you need to take 3 players in the draft or rookie upgrades.

 

[Vicky Park]

Moore, Maynard, Houston, Howe, Quaynor, Crisp, Perryman, Pendlebury and the Daicos bros is a best-in-league set of players to rotate through defensive posts in 2025.