List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[manicpie]

I think that tipping Collingwood will bounce back is a big assumption. With the competition so even and our list only getting older along with limited youth coming through, there’s every chance we’ll finish as low, or lower than we did this year.

I think any club with a pick around the 10-15 mark would consider a swap for our future first, because at best it will translate to another top 10 pick, and at worst it will be a downgrade of a pick or two which isn’t horrible if a club is keen to move that pick forward.

Considering we carried up to 17 injured players, no continuity for most of them and we still just missed the 8, I'm completely opposite and think we'll well and truly be back up there next year. Even a fit and firing JDG alone will improve us out of site. The top 4 sides this year all have their fair share of holes that need to be fixed. We'll be backing ourselves to win it again next year and a decent run with injuries is all we need to be back up there. This year has seen a pretty average top 4 and there's no guarantee any of them will be back up there next year.

 

[Apex36]

Considering we carried up to 17 injured players, no continuity for most of them and we still just missed the 8, I'm completely opposite and think we'll well and truly be back up there next year. Even a fit and firing JDG alone will improve us out of site. The top 4 sides this year all have their fair share of holes that need to be fixed. We'll be backing ourselves to win it again next year and a decent run with injuries is all we need to be back up there. This year has seen a pretty average top 4 and there's no guarantee any of them will be back up there next year.

Our list age profile alone makes that injury list a distinct possibility again next year. Don’t take this as me not rating our list, I think a fit and healthy pies list can match it with anyone, but banking on a good run with injuries to achieve it means the odds are 50/50 of it happening.

 

[Tadpole]

How many did AA weitering get? A big fat zero. Midfielder award only

You can meet him at Spencer Outlet Centre tomorrow. I might go just so I can get his autograph and tell him I’m either taking it home to burn it, or alternatively use it as toilet paper.

 

[manicpie]

You can meet him at Spencer Outlet Centre tomorrow. I might go just so I can get his autograph and tell him I’m either taking it home to burn it, or alternatively use it as toilet paper.

Bring it home, get your daughter to give it a raspberry and both thumbs down and then flush it down the toilet.

 

[Tadpole]

Bring it home, get your daughter to give it a raspberry and both thumbs down and then flush it down the toilet.

Give it the Skibidi toilet treatment. Although I probably shouldn’t put that much crap down the hotel toilet. I don’t want to be responsible for the bill to unclog it.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Nah, there all pretty shit. Too much Ken in them

So the Ken shit has gone far. It’s far Ken shit.

Stands to reason.

 

[In Fly We Trust]

Either way I hope he has a growth spurt. In the photo with his old man he is a foot or more shorter than Mick

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If that is the way you measure things, you must be hung like a horse.


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[Dead Eye Didak]

Looks like we have stopped our pursuit of Houston. Interesting move, but considering he may cost 2 first rounders, then it's probably the best decision....

 

[Harry O]

How many did AA weitering get? A big fat zero. Midfielder award only

Houston effectively plays as a midfielder off half back

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Why wouldn’t we offer next years 1st to GC? I’m sure they’ll expect it to be a better pick than Carlton’s.

Because we’ll need it for McGuane

 

[Apex36]

Because we’ll need it for McGuane

No we won’t, there’s no requirement coming in that forces you to use a pick in the same round as a bid.

 

[Mick F]

Houston effectively plays as a midfielder off half back

Been the case for years. Miles easier position to play than HFF.

 

[LuckyLee]

When does trade period actually start?

Having missed Finals, the wait is excruciating. All that fiery Petracca stuff already feels like ages ago.

Please tell me that the pain will soon end.

(And let’s never miss Finals again, coz this really sucks.)


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[Cousin of Daicos]

Our list age profile alone makes that injury list a distinct possibility again next year. Don’t take this as me not rating our list, I think a fit and healthy pies list can match it with anyone, but banking on a good run with injuries to achieve it means the odds are 50/50 of it happening.

I don’t expect us to have an injury free season, but as long as the right players stay injury free we should be fine

Even with all our injuries we still probably should have made it. A lot of our losses came down to selection and match day coaching

I reckon we’ll make our way back up next year

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

When does trade period actually start?

Having missed Finals, the wait is excruciating. All that fiery Petracca stuff already feels like ages ago.

Please tell me that the pain will soon end.

(And let’s never miss Finals again, coz this really sucks.)


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The free agency period starts the 4th October.

The trade period runs from October 7th to 16th

 

[sr36]

You flip flop with the best of them at times! On the one hand a marginal upgrade in Rioli is needing 6 + and we should be so lucky to receive 20 for a guy you’ve suggested will be a loss next year because of his line breaking? Choose a lane. Hardwick is on record that players are what they’re after and they have one over the line with two years to run on a contract at Collingwood.

None of that is to suggest that I disagree with your take on what the loss of Noble means for the list. I just don’t believe anyone that rates him should be dancing in the streets over a pick that could push out to 27 (Aschroft, Kaku, Lombard, Marshall and perhaps Tauru get bids plus Battle compensation and maybe Perryman).

I don't mind a flip flop - both the footwear and the action, but I don't think I've flip flopped on this one.

I think you might have imagined me saying what tigers should get for Rioli. All I've said is that he's a better player than Noble, but I agree with the sentiment that 6 by itself seems too much to start with - let alone talk about more.

I do think Noble is a loss, but you don't get anything if the bloke isn't a loss. Like all trades of experienced players for draft picks it hurts your chances next year, but improves your chances for the future. A next year loss became pretty inevitable when Noble requested a trade, so it's about getting what we can for the future.

And from what we're hearing about the depth of the draft, an end of first round pick would be well and truly in the first round next year. It's the equivalent of a future first for Little Johnny Noble. **** yeah.

 

[loki04]

Carlton is attempting to secure Gold Coast’s No. 12 draft pick to make a play at Port Adelaide All Australian Dan Houston as the Blues and North Melbourne haggle over the departing star.
North Melbourne has offered up a trade that would include its future first-rounder, which in the past five seasons has either been the first or second selection.

Clubs asking about Houston have been told the Blues and Roos are the strong front-runners despite him examining his options in recent weeks.

Carlton wants to keep its No. 11 draft pick to secure a young talent in a bumper 2024 national draft crop so is attempting to secure another first-round pick.

The Blues would offer up a future first-rounder to Gold Coast for their No. 12 pick, and then would on-trade that selection to the Power for Houston.

Quite clearly the Power would prefer a Roos selection that will surely be in the top five draft selections even if North Melbourne makes some improvement next year.

Gold Coast might accept a future first-rounder for Jack Lukosius, who chose Port Adelaide as his club of choice on Tuesday.

The fact North Melbourne is a contender is a feather in their cap given he must believe they are a chance to make a strong improvement in quick time given he is 27 and might have only four or five more seasons at his peak.

The Suns have picks six, 12, 20 and 26 and the Tigers will ask for more than their No. 6 draft pick for Daniel Rioli, who is contracted.

While the Suns will push back hard they will have to use pick six in some way in a trade for Rioli.

Collingwood is asking for a first-rounder for half back John Noble but will have to be satisfied with pick 20, which will filter back a handful of spots after NGA and father-son bids.

How the hell is D.Rioli worth pick 6 ? Let alone more?

He's a pick 12 to 20 range.

 

[Mavs13]

How the hell is D.Rioli worth pick 6 ? Let alone more?

He's a pick 12 to 20 range.

How do l get a stats comparison between Noble and Rioli?

 

[Hard Yakka]

How do l get a stats comparison between Noble and Rioli?

Here... https://giybf.com/

 

[sr36]

Every club’s out-of-contract players​

Adelaide: Lachie Gollant, Will Hamill, Elliott Himmelberg, Ned McHenry, Patrick Parnell
Brisbane: Luke Beecken, Darcy Craven, Darragh Joyce, Kalin Lane, James Madden, Carter Michael, Jaxon Prior
Carlton: Jack Carroll, Matt Carroll, Sam Durdin, Matt Owies
Collingwood: Jack Bytel, Charlie Dean, Josh Eyre, Ned Long, Nathan Kreuger, Oleg Markov, Reef McInnes, Joe Richards, Lachie Sullivan
Essendon: Jayden Davey, Will Setterfield, Sam Weideman
Fremantle: Tom Emmett, Odin Jones, Max Knobel, Liam Reidy, Ethan Stanley, Patrick Voss
Geelong: Jed Bews, Patrick Dangerfield, Mitch Duncan, Jake Kolodjashnij, Rhys Stanley
Gold Coast: Levi Casboult, Hewego Paul Oea
GWS Giants: Adam Kennedy, James Peatling, Harry Perryman, Conor Stone
Hawthorn: Josh Bennetts, Denver Grainger-Barras, Harry Morrison, Jack O’Sullivan, Ethan Phillips
Melbourne: Marty Hore, Joel Smith, Adam Tomlinson
North Melbourne: Blake Drury, Cooper Harvey, Charlie Lazzaro
Port Adelaide: Travis Boak, Charlie Dixon, Francis Evans, Kyle Marshall, Tom McCallum, Quinton Narkle, Tom Scully
Richmond: Mate Colina, Matt Coulthard, Noah Cumberland, Thomson Dow, Jack Graham, Kamdyn McIntosh
St Kilda: Jack Hayes, Olli Hotton, Zak Jones, Tim Membrey, Ben Paton
Sydney Swans: Harry Arnold, Jack Buller, Aaron Francis, Tom Hanily, Jacob Konstanty, Jaiden Magor, Lachie McAndrew, Caleb Mitchell, Cooper Vickery
West Coast: Coby Burgiel, Jai Culley, Luke Edwards, Josh Rotham, Alex Witherden
Western Bulldogs: Charlie Clarke, Riley Garcia, Jason Johannisen, Alex Keath


Carlton and North Melbourne lead the race for Houston, who is contracted for four more seasons, but the Power will demand a strong return for the back-to-back All-Australian.
Collingwood, Western Bulldogs and St Kilda have also expressed interest in Houston




Cumming announced last week he was leaving GWS to play for a South Australian team, with two sources telling this masthead at the time that his club choice could impact what Perryman does.

The state of play for key targets ahead of trade period, and the players at your club without a deal

In-demand defender Dan Houston has asked Port to trade him to Victoria, and two clubs in particular are leading the race for the All-Australian.

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Eyre and Dean are interesting in terms of our list. Other than Keane, there's been no link to us and a KPD, but surely we have to be chasing at least one, if neither of them are signed yet.

 

[well left]

Looks like we have stopped our pursuit of Houston. Interesting move, but considering he may cost 2 first rounders, then it's probably the best decision....

I’m comfortable not chasing Houston if the cost is anything more than just one first round.

We played Josh in that role in the last few weeks of the season to good effect and I rate Parker there as well with another preseason. I’d also be looking to take Bice from Werribee if we can to fill Noble’s role.

If we bring Perryman in as I hope we can also move Crisp back to a back flank or wing or Perryman if he doesn’t work out as a mid.

In short, I’d prioritize Perryman over Houston given the cost difference and try to use Noble and Richards trade to get back into the draft.

The bigger need for me from a back 6 perspective is a full back to replace Murphy. I don’t think Frampton is the solution and you can’t rely on Dean or Eyre at this stage but I don’t know what that solution is.


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[Obese Arachnid]

How do l get a stats comparison between Noble and Rioli?

Ask their significant others?

 

[sr36]

I’m comfortable not chasing Houston if the cost is anything more than just one first round.

We played Josh in that role in the last few weeks of the season to good effect and I rate Parker there as well with another preseason. I’d also be looking to take Bice from Werribee if we can to fill Noble’s role.

If we bring Perryman in as I hope we can also move Crisp back to a back flank or wing or Perryman if he doesn’t work out as a mid.

In short, I’d prioritize Perryman over Houston given the cost difference and try to use Noble and Richards trade to get back into the draft.

The bigger need for me from a back 6 perspective is a full back to replace Murphy. I don’t think Frampton is the solution and you can’t rely on Dean or Eyre at this stage but I don’t know what that solution is.


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I agree with you on all of that. With where our list is at, I don't think we can really afford to go all in on the short term with a guy like Houston. Better to hedge our bets with a guy like Perryman for free and keep the draft capital for players of the future.

 

[VinnieB]

Because we’ll need it for McGuane

You don’t think we will be able to accumulate points with other picks to match a bid on him? Will McGuane be to 5?

 

[sr36]

Ask their significant others?

How does it usually go when you ask someone's partner that question?