List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[Scodog10]

If it was Geelong it would be known as great list management.

Nope it’s crap list management. In each case it’s a player with a contract for next year who would be cut completely if the re-contracting club had waited until the end of the year or not put in place a games trigger.

That said the outrage is ridiculous from most punters because the pathway has changed out of sight the past 25 years since the rookie list was first introduced. The type of project that used to be on the initial rookie list is now being caught earlier as an NGA so they’re receiving the opportunities that were once denied to them and the alternative pathway guys go on the Cat B list. Basically the old school rookie is now more often than not getting picked up in the national draft.

I’m an advocate of increasing list sizes to 45-50 and doing away with the Cat A and B rookie list, but keeping in place an alternative pathway for internationals and the likes of Condon or Parker to make the transition back to the elite pathway as easy as possible by sidestepping the draft. By lifting list sizes you can also hopefully grow the talent pool ahead of the introduction of the Devils. You watch though list sizes will remain as is, clubs will lose players and everyone will bemoan a lack of talent…

 

[TradeDraft]

With DFA starting Tommorow the Membery to Collingwood Signing is Made Offical

 

[Jen2310]

Just bring him home

Trained yesterday
Let’s not pay attention to random trade accounts

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[sideswipe]

One can but dream of reaching that level of keyboard warrior

8th Dan Keyboard Warrior. Show some respect


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[ElliottsMaggies]

With DFA starting Tommorow the Membery to Collingwood Signing is Made Offical

Warm up the Welcome thread Dave.

 

[sr36]

I knew you wouldn’t be able to leave it there. Keep pretending it’s different and you have moral high ground if you want. idc

They're different. In this situation, an "excuse" means it's all AJs fault and we're looking for something else to blame.

I reckon it's a bit of both. He played badly because despite the pyrotechnics, he just doesn't have the game to perform any role in our team. But then he definitely went into a downward spiral, probably connected to abuse.

 

[TradeDraft]

What happened to Ash was a lot worse than that, and from Pies fans. Not surprising he lost the desire to play footy.

I’m not justifying his poor performances, but trying to better understand them.

If even half of what I heard was true, I’m surprised he didn’t pack up and leave. Some of our more moronic fans were involved - and we have a few.

At any rate, his career is over and it would probably be best for him to be delisted. No doubt the club are trying to figure this out.

Problem on Social Media the ones that I seen/heard the most are the Idiots

 

[JLC]

Nope it’s crap list management. In each case it’s a player with a contract for next year who would be cut completely if the re-contracting club had waited until the end of the year or not put in place a games trigger.

That said the outrage is ridiculous from most punters because the pathway has changed out of sight the past 25 years since the rookie list was first introduced. The type of project that used to be on the initial rookie list is now being caught earlier as an NGA so they’re receiving the opportunities that were once denied to them and the alternative pathway guys go on the Cat B list. Basically the old school rookie is now more often than not getting picked up in the national draft.

I’m an advocate of increasing list sizes to 45-50 and doing away with the Cat A and B rookie list, but keeping in place an alternative pathway for internationals and the likes of Condon or Parker to make the transition back to the elite pathway as easy as possible by sidestepping the draft. By lifting list sizes you can also hopefully grow the talent pool ahead of the introduction of the Devils. You watch though list sizes will remain as is, clubs will lose players and everyone will bemoan a lack of talent…

Hawthorn already praised for Gunston going on their rookie list.

I like the idea of a rookie but for genuine rookies. Surely once you play a certain number of games you should not be able to be placed on a rookie list?

 

[TradeDraft]

Warm up the Welcome thread Dave.

Think I have one ready

 

[Apex36]

They're different.

Nah

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

Wow, you really are the big man in town.

Did you just stink out your cave and came out for air?

Your comment reminds me of something which happened in Singapore a few years ago. We went into a tailor shop to get something made up. If you know anything about Singapore, many of the tailors are of Indian descent. This chap who was attending to us was rather large in girth and while he was talking we encountered a horrid stench. It was foul and pungent. We expressed our dismay and left the shop to stand outside waiting for it to subside. It was so frightful that the guy who we had been speaking to and had cut the mustard, also had to leave the shop and stood next to us outside, shaking his head at his own emission.

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

i don't think thats an excuse. There wouldn't be anyone that can handle unwarranted criticism and vitriol well.

The criticism is an unwanted unchangeable part of any sports/celebrity's career. It shouldn't be considered part of the job. It doesnt make you less of a person if it impacts you though. I dont think that amounts to your worth on society by being impacted by it.

You are right he shouldn't let it get to him. He needs to somehow use it as an inspiration to make himself the best he can be. Not to prove them wrong , but to make his mindset better. At least if he doesn't make it , he can say he gave it a crack.

I have read articles on people like Robbie Muir who was scarred for life due to the crap which was levelled at him Sometimes it is just too much for a person to bear

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

I find it pretty funny that anyone would actually believe LDU would go to St.Kilda lol

 

[sr36]

Hawthorn already praised for Gunston going on their rookie list.

I like the idea of a rookie but for genuine rookies. Surely once you play a certain number of games you should not be able to be placed on a rookie list?

There's a lot of romanticism about these real rookies.

It used to be mainly 18 year olds who weren't rated highly enough to go in the main draft, so they went in the rookie draft and got a one year contract instead of 2 years.

 

[TradeDraft]

There's a lot of romanticism about these real rookies.

It used to be mainly 18 year olds who weren't rated highly enough to go in the main draft, so they went in the rookie draft and got a one year contract instead of 2 years.

Just look at Dan Houston as he was a 3rd Round Pick in the Rookie Draft

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

There's a lot of romanticism about these real rookies.

It used to be mainly 18 year olds who weren't rated highly enough to go in the main draft, so they went in the rookie draft and got a one year contract instead of 2 years.

Nick Maxwell, Jarryd Blair, Hertier Lumumba, Alan Toovey, Brent Macaffer and Sharrod Wellingham. All rookies and have a medal. The Tigers had a stack of rookies in their flat sides as well

There's a lot of romanticism about these real rookies.

It used to be mainly 18 year olds who weren't rated highly enough to go in the main draft, so they went in the rookie draft and got a one year contract instead of 2 years.

 

[3rdMan]

Pretty sure the first non rookie to be put on the rookie list was Ramanauskas when Essendon got exemption by playing the cancer card. Been pretty much a free for all ever since. I don’t have an issue with it really nor do I have an issue with clubs managing their cap astutely. But maybe they should rename it to a supplementary list to reflect what it really is.

The only problem is the name of the list. Call it supplementary or whatever. Nonsense to call it "rookie" list when it's not only for rookies.

It's a minor thing though and not worth complaining over naming. If there's a problem with shuffling around main list players then they should address that point. I don't see any problem. Lists are too small and clubs need to use three selections in the draft, that is often going to require some juggling. I don't think it would be better for clubs to have to delist more players instead.

 

[sr36]

Nick Maxwell, Jarryd Blair, Hertier Lumumba, Alan Toovey, Brent Macaffer and Sharrod Wellingham. All rookies and have a medal. The Tigers had a stack of rookies in their flat sides as well

Absolutely. There'd still be a lot of kids who would make it but don't because list sizes aren't big enough for teams to recruit as many kids as they used to.

What I mean is that they were never a separate cohort. They were aspiring footballers like those taken in the National Draft who weren't rated highly enough to be drafted in the national draft. They weren't any more "real" rookies than the kids we'll draft in November. Despite the different names given to them.

 

[magpies42]

A few likely talks projects around our picks according to the Fox Footy top 50 rankings. Hoping for a diamond in the rough…

 

[PieBeast]

Wow, you really are the big man in town.

Did you just stink out your cave and came out for air?

Don't blame me cobber, it's the systems fault.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Happy Tim Membrey

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Tim Membrey

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188cm

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92kg

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6.5

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2.9

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4.5

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3.2

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1.4

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