List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

[Hardas]

We've got a poor draft hand this year, we need to understand the impact of the 2025 bidding/matching scheme to ensure that we have cover for Tom McGuane next year. Looks like we're in no position to bring in Tier 1 contracted players this year - the large number of uncontracted players gives us some flexibility to shake out some targeted Tier 2 players who drop down the pecking order at their current club as a result of player trading.

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[adammania9]

I’d prefer they keep him and we pick him up in 12 months as a FA if we want him. Crows will demand overs this year.

Wouldn't be a free agent next year as he left Collingwood via retirement, not delisting

 

[adammania9]

The issue here is he has offers north of $800k in front of him per season.

The other concern is …Fly doesn’t give away midfield mins to players he doesn’t trust or as he says numerous times “set them up to fail”.

Next season we will still have a midfield that will contain Naicos, JDG, Mitchell, Crisp, Penldes, Jaicos and possibly even Sidebottom still.

The only player in the current market up for grabs that would command instant midfield minutes as it stands based on the above is Bailey Smith.

Think you've confused Peatling with Perryman

 

[Unknown Identity]

Hobbs
Peatling
Parker

All 3 are worth having a dip at.

 

[ThePheonix]

If his results are so poor - then please make your case of which 5 recruiters have done better and are more suitable replacements.
I think you’ll find the joke is on you.

According to the AFL website this century’s top 10 haul;

10. WESTERN BULLDOGS 2012​

Draft picks: Jake Stringer, Jack Macrae, Nathan Hrovat, Lachie Hunter, Josh Prudden, Brett Goodes

9. MELBOURNE 2014​

Draft picks: Christian Petracca, Angus Brayshaw, Alex Neal-Bullen, Billy Stretch, Oscar McDonald, Aaron vandenBerg, Mitchell White

8. PORT ADELAIDE 2000​

Draft picks: Shaun Burgoyne, Kane Cornes, Allan Murray, Domenic Cassisi, Chris Hall, Ben Hollande, Steven Brosnan

7. WEST COAST 2010​

Draft picks: Andrew Gaff, Jack Darling, Scott Lycett, Jacob Brennan, Anton Hamp, Jeremy McGovern

6. SYDNEY 2002​

Draft picks: Jarrad McVeigh, Sean Dempster, Josh Thewlis, Nick Malceski, Craig Bolton, Heath James, Paul Bevan, James Meiklejohn, Ryan Crawford, Declan O'Mahoney

5. WEST COAST 2001​

Draft picks: Chris Judd, Ashley Sampi, Mark Seaby, Ashley Hansen, Brent Tuckey, Quinten Lynch, Clancy Rudeforth

4. RICHMOND 2009​

Draft picks: Dustin Martin, Ben Griffiths, David Astbury, Matt Dea, Troy Taylor, Jeromey Webberley, Ben Nason,Dylan Grimes, Robert Hicks, Pat Contin

3. HAWTHORN 2001​

Draft picks: Luke Hodge, Rick Ladson, Daniel Elstone, Campbell Brown, Sam Mitchell, Simon Cox, Ben Kane, Djaran Whyman, Nick Stone, Michael Georgiadis

2. HAWTHORN 2004​

Draft picks: Jarryd Roughead, Lance Franklin, Jordan Lewis, Tom Murphy, Matthew Little, Simon Taylor, Ruory Kirkby, Clinton Young, Thomas Willday, Kristan Height

1. GEELONG 2001​

Draft picks: Jimmy Bartel, James Kelly, Charlie Gardiner, Steve Johnson, Gary Ablett, Henry Playfair, Matthew McCarthy, David Johnson, Aaron Lord, Andrew Carrazzo, Will Slade, Adam Chatfield

Two aspects which stand out: first Collingwood is missing and second the three teams that managed to create a dynasty are all in the top 10.

In addition to live in reality one usually requires a sense of humility; an attribute you seem to be in want of.

 

[Exambolor]

Hobbs
Peatling
Parker

All 3 are worth having a dip at.

Hobbs a victim of the Dons mid logjam, very gettable, with Caldwell and Durham breaking out and Zerrett and Parish already there he’s gonna struggle to get a game, same with Tsatas

Peatling is a good one, clearly has immense talent as we’ve seen with Cogs and Kelly out.

Parker…. Ehhhh he’s still shown he’s a good player, but we need to get younger not older

 

[Daicosian silk]

Peatling would suit us
That sort of fringe, next-in-line, inside mid with upside is what we should be looking for, whether its him or someone else

Peatling picked up 10 coaches votes on the weekend in the Giant’s win over the Lions. Obviously has talent and is the sort of young fringe player in a strong club the Pies should be targeting imo

 

[Piesinmyeyes]

Bachar Houli
Patrick Ryder
Jake Melksham
Josh Jenkins
Michael Hibberd
Adam Saad
Massimo D'Ambrosio

I would like to extend this list of players who enjoyed success after leaving Essendon

Joe Daniher?

 

[Exambolor]

Bachar Houli
Patrick Ryder
Jake Melksham
Josh Jenkins
Michael Hibberd
Adam Saad
Massimo D'Ambrosio

I would like to extend this list of players who enjoyed success after leaving Essendon

Massimo is a hilarious one, love the constant melts from Dons fans seeing him succeed at the Hawks

 

[swoop42]

We clearly aren't going to trade Nick for Petracca which is what Melbourne would ask for so realistically who if anyone can we lose and still potentially come out in front? More importantly what would even get Melbourne to the table?

It would take names like Quaynor and Hill combined as a starting point I would imagine and given the age profile of our list that's a big a price to pay and creates a problem. They aren't valuing a banged up Mihocek or McStay coming off an ACL so forget that one.

A future 1st and two former 1st round picks in Quaynor and Allan would be considered to much by many and yet Melbourne would probably say it's still not enough for a contracted Petracca.

I don't see a pathway.

 

[Cata_Pendles]

Would love Reef to stay as we have put time into him - although starting to get skeptical over 2020 draft.

If he were to go, what are your thoughts on reef for hobbs?

Have noticed reef does like Essendon posts on Instagram, pretty sure he was a bombers fan too. So could be win win?

 

[rdangelo]

The Age reporting Sidebottom to play on in 2025

Sidebottom’s up: Collingwood great to play on in 2025

Steele Sidebottom’s career is set to stretch into a 17th AFL season, meaning all nine of Collingwood’s 30-and-over players are slated to continue in 2025.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Piesinmyeyes]

According to the AFL website this century’s top 10 haul;

10. WESTERN BULLDOGS 2012​

Draft picks: Jake Stringer, Jack Macrae, Nathan Hrovat, Lachie Hunter, Josh Prudden, Brett Goodes

9. MELBOURNE 2014​

Draft picks: Christian Petracca, Angus Brayshaw, Alex Neal-Bullen, Billy Stretch, Oscar McDonald, Aaron vandenBerg, Mitchell White

8. PORT ADELAIDE 2000​

Draft picks: Shaun Burgoyne, Kane Cornes, Allan Murray, Domenic Cassisi, Chris Hall, Ben Hollande, Steven Brosnan

7. WEST COAST 2010​

Draft picks: Andrew Gaff, Jack Darling, Scott Lycett, Jacob Brennan, Anton Hamp, Jeremy McGovern

6. SYDNEY 2002​

Draft picks: Jarrad McVeigh, Sean Dempster, Josh Thewlis, Nick Malceski, Craig Bolton, Heath James, Paul Bevan, James Meiklejohn, Ryan Crawford, Declan O'Mahoney

5. WEST COAST 2001​

Draft picks: Chris Judd, Ashley Sampi, Mark Seaby, Ashley Hansen, Brent Tuckey, Quinten Lynch, Clancy Rudeforth

4. RICHMOND 2009​

Draft picks: Dustin Martin, Ben Griffiths, David Astbury, Matt Dea, Troy Taylor, Jeromey Webberley, Ben Nason,Dylan Grimes, Robert Hicks, Pat Contin

3. HAWTHORN 2001​

Draft picks: Luke Hodge, Rick Ladson, Daniel Elstone, Campbell Brown, Sam Mitchell, Simon Cox, Ben Kane, Djaran Whyman, Nick Stone, Michael Georgiadis

2. HAWTHORN 2004​

Draft picks: Jarryd Roughead, Lance Franklin, Jordan Lewis, Tom Murphy, Matthew Little, Simon Taylor, Ruory Kirkby, Clinton Young, Thomas Willday, Kristan Height

1. GEELONG 2001​

Draft picks: Jimmy Bartel, James Kelly, Charlie Gardiner, Steve Johnson, Gary Ablett, Henry Playfair, Matthew McCarthy, David Johnson, Aaron Lord, Andrew Carrazzo, Will Slade, Adam Chatfield

Two aspects which stand out: first Collingwood is missing and second the three teams that managed to create a dynasty are all in the top 10.

In addition to live in reality one usually requires a sense of humility; an attribute you seem to be in want of.

Geelong 2001 - Wow wasn’t that a bonanza…

 

[nahnah]

Is Melbourne's 2014 really better than our 2014?

Geelong 2001 - Wow wasn’t that a bonanza…

insane haul

 

[adammania9]

Joe Daniher?

Injuries ruined his last years at Essendon, I don’t think he’s a better player at the Lions. Won his sole AA at Essendon

 

[brysie]

Hobbs
Peatling
Parker

All 3 are worth having a dip at.

I’d prefer to target Berry and Peatling over Hobbs, as both have exposed AFL form this season.

Adding Parker, Peatling and Berry would provide immediate depth within our midfield. The trick would be getting them all in with our limited draft hand, which may involve shedding a player or two in an area of the field we have cover in.

 

[No SPIN]

I don't think we are any chance of snagging Petracca, which is a shame because he is a champ. But I wouldn't be discounting the challenge he has ahead of him to get back to full fitness. He has not been able to exert himself for months. Has lost a decent amount of muscle mass and undoubtedly a lot of conditioning.

He will surely get both back and he looks the type who can stack on muscle by looking at a dumbbell - but it is not an insignificant challenge ahead of him.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Melb settle for what they perceive as unders, given Clubs may well be concerned about the adverse impact of the injury on Petraccas future performances.

 

[LuckyLee]

The Age reporting Sidebottom to play on in 2025

Sidebottom’s up: Collingwood great to play on in 2025

Steele Sidebottom’s career is set to stretch into a 17th AFL season, meaning all nine of Collingwood’s 30-and-over players are slated to continue in 2025.

www.theage.com.au

So will nobody be retiring this season???

If not, the oldest team in the league is going to be even older, slower and more injury-prone in 2025 than we were this year.

I don’t think this is a good idea.

 

[BEEG]

We really need see what Reef can do as a back before letting him go.

 

[SchuPie]

We really need see what Reef can do as a back before letting him go.

Would prefer to see him as a mid

 

[Piesinmyeyes]

Injuries ruined his last years at Essendon, I don’t think he’s a better player at the Lions. Won his sole AA at Essendon

Probably always lacked the consistency.
For various reasons he’s yo yoed throughout his career.
Pretty handy when on song is Joe.

 

[LuckyLee]

The issue here is he has offers north of $800k in front of him per season.

The other concern is …Fly doesn’t give away midfield mins to players he doesn’t trust or as he says numerous times “set them up to fail”.

Next season we will still have a midfield that will contain Naicos, JDG, Mitchell, Crisp, Penldes, Jaicos and possibly even Sidebottom still.

The only player in the current market up for grabs that would command instant midfield minutes as it stands based on the above is Bailey Smith.

And Clayton Oliver. He’s gettable at a fire sale price. He would walk straight into our first choice stoppages group.


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[Go Woods]

IMO, we need an in-and-under midfielder to extract the ball and distribute it to the Daicos bros and DeGoey on the outside. We really don't want Nick in particular getting crunched trying to win the ball at the coalface. He needs more protection and is most damaging as first receiver, not extractor.

What are your thoughts on Clayton Oliver if we can get him from Melbourne for say our 2nd-rounder plus our 2025 2nd-rounder, with the Dees paying a significant chunk of his salary? Cleary Oliver has his issues and is a poor kick but he is a contested ball-winning beast, tackling machine and good distributor by hand. A fresh start under Fly might be just what he needs to turn things around. And the Dees are unlikely to play hard-ball over him at the trade table. Oliver turning his career around is not that far-fetched - look at what Jesse Hogan has done.

Given our weak draft hand, I think we really need to get creative and look for a turn-around prospect with big upside potential.

Only if we can't have Petracca

 

[Go Woods]

Ben Hobbs anyone?
Might be on the move.

Yeah, I'm a big fan, huge upside, kinda reminds me of a young Beams.

 

[Jen2310]

Next year seems to be where a bit turnover will happen so very light this year.


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