List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade and FA

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Jasper84 said:
But isn't that the point. If Collingwood could have manufactured a player to play the role Schultz does they would of. It's pretty clear that the nerves of playing for Collingwood got the better of him with his execution, which nobody could have foreseen. But his fundamentals and forward craft are lauded by his teammates and coaches. If he can quell the anxiety that's affected his ability to finish off his hard work, he'll be right up there with the best small forwards. I think that you underestimate how hard it is to manufacture a player that can both fit into our system and thrive in an exclusive small forward role
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to be honest, did you watch Freo play yesterday...............
 

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Jasper84 said:
But isn't that the point. If Collingwood could have manufactured a player to play the role Schultz does they would have. It's pretty clear that the nerves of playing for Collingwood got the better of him with his execution, which nobody could have foreseen. But his fundamentals and forward craft are lauded by his teammates and coaches. If he can quell the anxiety that's affected his ability to finish off his hard work, he'll be right up there with the best small forwards. I think that you underestimate how hard it is to manufacture a player that can both fit into our system and thrive in an exclusive small forward role
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I get that, but would you rather Shultz in the role and no Petracca? Or the currency to get Trac and have someone else in the small forward role?
I’m taking option B every day.
 
Axl the great said:
I get that, but would you rather Shultz in the role and no Petracca? Or the currency to get Trac and have someone else in the small forward role?
I’m taking option B every day.
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I get that but would you rather

A: Get a player now who slots straight into our best 22, wants to play for us and most importantly is available or

B: Wait and hope that a year later a star on a 5 year deal suffers a freak injury, then maybe gets mismanaged by his club, then maybe wants to leave said club, then maybe nominates us, then maybe the currency we offered is accepted and then maybe the trade gets done.

No club would choose B
 

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I would be quite happy to stick with the list as it is now - i.e. keep Richards.
Allan and Long will be better with a full pre season with the team.
I will expect to see Roo and Steene a lot in the pre season as well.
If we can get Mitchell fit and McStay uninjured we have the mix for 2025.
Down back we have Dean and Eyre to work with.
 
Whatever the club does I hope they have some medium term thoughts in mind. Presumably they will have one or two big targets lined up for the end of next season so this season’s recruiting needs to be complementary to what they are planning for next year. I don’t want to see this year’s recruits quickly made redundant by next year’s recruits . They need a bit of foresight here.

We might enter 2026 without Pendle, Sidey, Howe and Cox, possibly also some of Mitchell Elliott and WHE .
 
whiskeytown said:
See what you are saying.. 2mill over 3 years… the third year being contingent on games played in year 2

It’s a risk but… one worth considering imo
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Yeah that's just not going to happen - who in their right mind would go from $1.5mil guaranteed for one year to $1.35mil guaranteed across two years?

I don't think he's going to be scratching around that hard for an extra $500k to be tacked on ($300k after tax) either, given the money he has been on in his current contract.
 
1. PULL THE TRIGGER

Richmond has to pull the trigger on deals for Shai Bolton, Liam Baker and Daniel Rioli.

Not just because Rioli and Baker will want to leave in 12 months anyway if the Tigers hold firm, but because of the draft hands held by their pursuers.

On the current draft order the Suns have pick six and the Dockers have picks nine and 10.

Richmond should hold firm – the only way the Suns get Rioli is if that pick is involved.

Not two late first-rounders which will blow out to the late 20s.

Is he worth it on true value? No.

But here is the play – if you want our line-breaking, goalkicking star after a year in which Damien Hardwick talked up finals but the Suns flopped again, the only way to get him is with pick 6.

Think about Hardwick’s plight if he misses on Rioli and endures another so-so season next year.

Last year Richmond held the line on Ivan Soldo until the Power gave up pick 41 and a future second-rounder (attached to Fremantle) and a fourth rounder.

If the Tigers have to throw in something to help the Suns secure match points for next year’s No. 1 prospect Zeke Uwland, than so be it.

But that’s the price.

Meanwhile the Dockers’ flop to lose the final four games of the year and miss finals only intensifies their need for Bolton.

So the Tigers hold firm for picks nine and 10 for Bolton.

If they play their cards right, they get picks 1 (their own pick), six (for Rioli), nine and 10 (for Bolton).

Then they get a mid-teens pick from West Coast for Liam Baker (when the Hawks hand it over for Tom Barrass) and with pick 21 in their keeping, they have four picks within 10 and six within 21.

It’s the only way to reshape their list.

2. FOOTY’S WORST-KEPT SECRET

Bailey Smith is going to the Cats.

But the Cats are keen on securing more than one experienced midfielder to bolster their onball unit.

What about Jackson Macrae?

The issue is three more years on a lucrative contract around $700,000 a year, but as much as he has played 17 games this year, Ryley Sanders will cut into his midfield minutes next year.

The word in list management circles is that the Cats want to bring in multiple players of experience to bolster this list.

3. SHOOT FOR THE MOON

The Dogs are about to secure a first-round pick from the Cats for Bailey Smith.

Why wouldn’t they offer it to the Power for Dan Houston?

We are about to see how critical the suspended Houston’s absence is given Kane Farrell is also hamstrung and likely to miss the first final.

But clubs have a chance to offer picks for his services given the Power seem keen to get his cap space off their books as they chase Harry Perryman, Isaac Cumming and even Jack Lukosius.

With Liam Jones 34 in February and Sam Darcy more likely to emerge as a key forward and ruckman, the Dogs can afford to hand over a first-rounder for a player like 27-year-old Houston.

The next five years of his career should coincide with the Dogs window.

The Power might want more for Houston but it remains to be seen if getting his cap space off the books is just as important as getting back into the first round of a quality draft.


4. HOW PETRACCA CAN LEAVE DEES

Christian Petracca might get his way and complain so much the Demons grant him a trade request.

But according to everyone at Melbourne – CEO Gary Pert, coach Simon Goodwin, football boss Alan Richardson – he’s going nowhere.

So if we accept that at face value and believe he will be at Melbourne next year, he is making it hard for his own club to recruit players who might help Petracca win his second premiership.

If he has legitimate beefs and wants them addressed, far be it for us to suggest he shouldn’t lobby the club privately and publicly to get their act together.

But there will come a time where it is counter-productive.

As the Demons chase Dan Houston and Jake Waterman, the continued publicity surely scares that pair off from Melbourne.

Richardson told Fox Footy on Friday that getting even younger as the Demons lose Alex Neal-Bullen (and after Angus Brayshaw’s forced retirement) would be a “recipe for failure.”

So the Demons have cap space, the inclination to get better and pick five.

But until Petracca clarifies his stance, why would anyone come to Melbourne when their best player makes it so clear he is off the joint?

He might force a trade from the Demons, but if he doesn’t he might also have to stay with a diminished list that saw Houston scared off by talk of a Melbourne side in shambles.

5. JOSH BATTLE NEEDS TO DEMAND MORE CASH

Not for his financial future, but so everyone wins.

The worst possible scenario for St Kilda is that he leaves for Hawthorn but the trigger for a first-round compensation pick isn’t reached.

It means the Saints get left with a pick that will end up close to pick 30 for a star defender.

Any pick in this draft is good, the end of first round Roos pick ended up at Carlton and became Ashton Moir, who grows by the week.

But the solution is this: show me the money.

Battle is entitled to ask Hawthorn to offer him a contract worthy of that first-round trigger.

Then everyone goes home happy.

It might be the difference of less than $100,000 a year – which to be frank is chicken feed for the Hawks.

If the difference was between securing Battle on $850,000 a year and losing him to St Kilda on $925,000-$950,000, the Hawks would pay that money in a heartbeat.

Roos fans were happy to lose Ben McKay if they secured pick three.

Battle can find a way so everyone has their cake and eats it, even if he has to ask the Hawks for a pay rise on his current offer.

6. SOMEONE HAS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

If Elijah Tsatas gets traded over the off-season at Essendon, someone should get sacked.

Taking him as the No. 5 draft pick – aware he wasn’t a great kick – then trading him two years later as a result of poor disposal would be diabolic.

It’s why the Dons won’t entertain any trades, aware he’s worked hard on his disposal in the past 10 weeks.

Of all the players in the AFL who turned poor disposal into something elite, Brent Stanton stands out.

Tsatas can become that type of player with hard work.

7. MORE BAD NEWS FOR ROOS

Imagine Luke Parker leaving Sydney for North Melbourne.

Sydney figures would be surprised if Parker left given he is contracted, has been in Sydney since he was 18 and has a successful business renovating houses with his wife.

But from a football perspective why would he go from a club at the top of the ladder to one where he will be in starvation corner?

If he isn’t able to make enough money to retire comfortably after 15 seasons in footy (including 2025) he isn’t trying.

Again on the weekend we saw Parker getting brilliant delivery and the Roos battling for respectability.

It is why the Roos will continue to battle to secure experienced types, with Nathan Broad the latest premiership players to reject North Melbourne.

He was offered a lucrative two year deal with a trigger (and could probably have held out for three years) but still stayed at the Tigers.

Dylan Stephens averaged 12.8 disposals in his first year at the Roos and Zac Fisher racked it up but was only an average kick by Champion Data measures in his first year of a long-term deal.

It’s bloody hard playing in a bottom-three side.
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Not about us though
 
Pleasedontfail11 said:
25 year old Beams > 25 year old Petracca

28 year old Beams < 28 year old Petracca

It took Petracca a bit longer than Beams to get going. While Beams started to struggle a bit towards the end with niggles.
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Beams had 1 AA at 25. Petracca was a dual AA at 25.

Your rating does not compute.
 
Gotta feel for him. He may be stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Contracted Carlton key forward Harry McKay has emerged as the key to unlocking a potential trade of Melbourne superstar Christian Petracca, who has reminded the club and teammates of his desire to leave the Demons.

The Norm Smith medallist reiterated to his teammates on Saturday night, and the club during his exit interview on Monday, that he wants to play for a rival Victorian club in 2025, despite public guarantees from Melbourne’s CEO, coach and football boss that Petracca would not be traded under any circumstances.

Three club sources and two sources close to Petracca, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the issue, told this masthead that his falling out with the club appears to be beyond repair.

The same sources said Petracca was unlikely to formally request a trade because of the difficulty of a deal getting done, and because a public request would further inflame his relationship with the Demons.
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www.theage.com.au

Petracca wants out and a star Blue could unlock his potential trade

Despite public guarantees from Melbourne that Petracca would not be traded, the Norm Smith medallist reminded his teammates on Saturday night, and the club during his exit interview on Monday, that he wants to play for a rival Victorian club in 2025.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
 
Pleasedontfail11 said:
True but when he was 25 leading in the 2021 season he was considered a forward flanker with a limited tank. He did explode when he was 25 during that year.
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Nope. He was an AA in 2020. He had already exploded by then.
 

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