List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2015

[Tazzaye]

Salem and Trengrove are hard nuts aye

 

[Jasper84]

Brilliant

I can't take all the credit. The real praise should go to the jester factory masquerading as a well run organization.

 

[Old Spice]

You have talked about Freeman & Shaz as both being on 93k base. I corrected you a week ago on Shaz so very disappointing that you are still sprouting the same stuff. Unknown Identity even posted the extract from CBA player agreement. Please look at it again and note the bit about 'number of senior matches in previous year'. 93k is for 16+ matches in previous year. Shaz & Freeman played nil senior matches so are both on 73k base.

(There are also errors in your post about academy players 2 pages back but I'm not going to point them out if you don't take on board feedback). If you don't understand things than better to ask questions than mislead other posters.

The minimal base payments relate to players in general and are outlined below in this provision in the CBA under Schedule C:

http://aflagents.com.au/images/uploads/CBA_-_2012-2016_FINAL.pdf

1. Base and Senior Match Payments (a) An AFL Club shall pay each Player it employs in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016, other than a first year draft choice Player, a second year Player, a Rookie Player or a Player promoted from the Rookie List, a minimum base payment per annum and a minimum Senior Match payment per Senior Match set out in the table below.

The match payments for 2nd year players taken in round 1 who play no games are indeed 73k, you're correct there. However, my point remains that Collingwood would have expected 15 games and therefore bracketed 150-175k for Freeman with no injury so the point stands. The anticipated income was 150-175k so the jump to 250k is nothing.

You might want to point out the problems with my academy prognostications re Richmond.

 

[spartan-magpie]

thanks for posting this. $250k is a lot if the base wage but not so much (for a first round talent) if is base & match payments. Personally I suspect figures bandied around are more likely to be base + match.

10k for each cm of scar tissue. Gees, what a shame I was a horrible footballer. 250k to not even play. Wow. Crisp is gonna want 1.7mill next contract.

 

[Apex36]

Yeah I'm not sure Freeman out and Aish in is a good result unless we have someone with elite foot speed marked in this years draft pool or via trade.

Obviously if we had a crystal ball and knew if Freeman will ever get on the park would be handy.

Elite speed is something we need.

Goodyear! He will be the next Swan!


I can dream can't I???

 

[mattys123]

Melksham to the Dees on 1.6 million over 4 years.

Madness.

 

[Soups]

Goodyear! He will be the next Swan!


I can dream can't I???

You can dream...but keep it to the ones about Miranda Kerr

 

[PepperFace]

Melksham to the Dees on 1.6 million over 4 years.

Madness.

And he will be banned for 2 of those years

 

[TradeDraft]

Melksham to the Dees on 1.6 million over 4 years.

Madness.

He has Potential and that is not a Massive Contract compared the one Treloar will get from us

 

[Jasper84]

He has Potential and that is not a Massive Contract compared the one Treloar will get from us

Pfft! He is Melkshit.

 

[Ant85]

Melksham to the Dees on 1.6 million over 4 years.

Madness.

That's an absurd amount of money for a C grade player. Good on Melksham.

 

[Lefthanded]

Okay, so GWS want Hopper through their academy.

Let's say Hopper attracts a bid in the top 5 (which is where he seems to be rated), GWS then need to come up with 1,502* points to get him. Given GWS currently have pick 8 - which has a point value of 1,551 - they can get him at that pick. However, if Carlton were to get a band 1 compo pick for Kreuzer if we say offered him a biggish contract, suddenly all picks drop a spot and GWS end up with pick 9 which is worth 1,469 which is now not enough to get Hopper. So our 1st pick - whether that remains at 7 or drops to 8 - will be crucial in GWS getting Hopper.

It's certainly within our grasp to effect the draft in terms of it dropping down a cog. If we offered Kreuzer a juicy contract, that would activate band 1 and push GWS out of the frame to nab Hopper with their first round pick. Our 1st pick drops down too but we retain at pick 7 or 8 the points that GWS need to get Hopper. But even if we don't take Kreuzer and the AFL dishes out a compo pick to Brisbane and everyone drops down, the same logic applies. GWS would still need our pick 8 points to get him.

To put it another way, GWS need our pick 7(8) which is why Richmond's nonsense talk about blowing us out of the water with 2 first rounders is a sham. Their pick 12 (13) is not going to help GWS land Hopper. And in this draft it's a bit of a shabby pick anyway.

GWS want our first round for Hopper. If the draft order remains unchanged, all the sweeter for GWS. They can use their pick 8 to nominate for Hopper while using our pick 7 in the draft.

This is why people should stop shitting themselves about being involved in some bidding war with Richmond. Our first and a second round pick is more than enough to get the job done.

* the points required for pick 5 is 1878 but once a 20% discount is applied to academy players the figure becomes 1,502

Your two bolded statements are incorrect based on below rules

"in order to pay for the player, the Nominating Club’s next available pick move backwards in the draft order to the value of the points
required.
•If the points required are greater than the value of the next available pick, the remaining points are subtracted from the Nominating Club’s
next selection and so on"
http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf

 

[Vicky Park]

Guys, we've had a request from BF Admin for posters on the Pies board to stop tagging in opposition fans to our threads, including - or especially - Richmond fans. Its got to stop. And no pretending that its for the purpose of friendly banter or genuine discussion. You all know the latter is OK, but that's not what's happening.

I will repeat this message on other threads.

 

[legendstatus]

This forum BF is going to the dogs, such precious Sooky la las, seriously over the nanny bitchy forum! Let's hope something new starts up with a bit of harden cement. Can't even fart without getting banned.


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[soreplums]

Club Article on Possible Targets:

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2015-09-17/trade-whispers-turn-to-shouts

Niall has some good inside info. His brother is a player manager isn't he?

 

[TradeDraft]

Guys, we've had a request from BF Admin for posters on the Pies board to stop tagging in opposition fans to our threads, including - or especially - Richmond fans. Its got to stop. And no pretending that its for the purpose of friendly banter or genuine discussion. You all know the latter is OK, but that's not what's happening.

I will repeat this message on other threads.

Same for Tiger Fans Trolling Us

 

[Unknown Identity]

Person X said something mean about my team.. Modddds!!!? Do something..!

Seriously, get a grip..

Can't believe grown ass men that can't handle words on a screen.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

Pfft! He is Melkshit.

Shadow boxer. He throws a lot of punches but non of them land.

 

[JollyBallsUp]

No to slow, I have someone else in mind.

WHO?

 

[Apex36]

He has Potential and that is not a Massive Contract compared the one Treloar will get from us

$400k per year is absurd for a player of Melksham's modest talent no matter which way you spin it.

 

[Jasper84]

Guys, we've had a request from BF Admin for posters on the Pies board to stop tagging in opposition fans to our threads, including - or especially - Richmond fans. Its got to stop. And no pretending that its for the purpose of friendly banter or genuine discussion. You all know the latter is OK, but that's not what's happening.

I will repeat this message on other threads.

But we can still bag Brisbane can't we? You can't take away that never ending lolly bag from me!

 

[TradeDraft]

I would love us to Sign Mason Shaw as a De-Listed Free Agent

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-17/recruit-wagner-one-of-five-delisted-by-power

 

[Old Spice]

Your two bolded statements are incorrect based on below rules

"in order to pay for the player, the Nominating Club’s next available pick move backwards in the draft order to the value of the points
required.
•If the points required are greater than the value of the next available pick, the remaining points are subtracted from the Nominating Club’s
next selection and so on"
http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf

Let's imagine the draft order isn't pushed back by Kreuzer or PP and that Richmond offer pick 12 for Treloar this year (and say 15 next year) and that GWS have the points to land Hopper by themselves with pick 8. They get Hopper and pick 12.

But if the draft order remains the same and GWS get Hopper, under our offer they get Hopper and pick 7.

I've bracketed Richmond's 1st round next year and our second round this year. But next years draft is better and our second round this year will help make up the points for Matthew Kennedy.

I understand that points can be carried over but I don't think GWS want to smash up a pick for points. It's far better imv from a GWS perspective that they land a top 5 pick in Hooper, land a top 7/8 pick in the draft which they get from us and Kennedy from points. Three top 20 picks and then close shop.

 

[MooreTreloar]

Is Mitch Harvey who was de-listed from Port Adelaide worth a look at?

Wanted him in his draft year.

 

[nahnah]

I would love us to Sign Mason Shaw as a De-Listed Free Agent

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-17/recruit-wagner-one-of-five-delisted-by-power

I reckon it's worth rookie listing him or Harvey, I remember the port fans wanting them to play