List Mgmt. Collingwood Trade Talk 2016

[PicaBoo]

My point is that Buckley doesnt have 3-5 years to rebuild. All the planning has been around a tilt at the flag by 2017.

If we are trading out our power forward and relying on a 20 year old to carry the forward line, it means we have given up on that strategy.

On that basis, Buckley has to go as well.

FWIW, i am advocating keeping Cloke and Buckley. I dont think a cleanout is required.

I am just saying that Bucks really cant afford to go down the rebuild stage. He needs results. And he needs his power forward in form.

Bucks has never stopped cleaning out. Imho Cloke's departure is the last of MM boys and maybe some other dissonants that don't sit well with him . And he can afford it, there is nothing left to lose.
2017 is indeed not going to happen and the question will be next year how far off are we really with our list.

 

[Kilmo]

So the current team on rumoured players looks like.

B: Maynard (19) - Brown (27) - Langdon (22)
HB: Sinclair (24) - Reid (27) - Howe (26)
C: Aish (20) - Adams (22) - Sidebottom (25)
HF: Hoskin-Elliott (23) - Tomlinson (23) - Fasolo (24)
F: Elliott (23) - Moore (20) - White (28)
R: Grundy (22) - Pendlebury (28) - Treloar (23)

INT: Varcoe (28) - DeGoey (20) - Crisp (22) - Scharenberg (20)

Potentially 5 players (almost a quarter) who weren't in the team last year adds a completely different dynamic. (Langdon barely played and i am expecting some decent footy from him in 2017)

White could easily make way for Wills/Smith/Greenwood if we don't go with 3 talls up forward.

One thing that stands out, Extremely Young! Outside of Pendles/Varcoe/White/Brown/Reid the rest are all 26 and under.

Should be two Langdons in if the rumour mill is anything to go by.

 

[Kilmo]

My point is that Buckley doesnt have 3-5 years to rebuild. All the planning has been around a tilt at the flag by 2017.

If we are trading out our power forward and relying on a 20 year old to carry the forward line, it means we have given up on that strategy.

On that basis, Buckley has to go as well.

FWIW, i am advocating keeping Cloke and Buckley. I dont think a cleanout is required.

I am just saying that Bucks really cant afford to go down the rebuild stage. He needs results. And he needs his power forward in form.

Correct. I don't see how this is not obvious to everyone.

 

[Matt_352]

2015 edition of this thread got to 1350 pages. So we are well on our way under 1000 pages to go

 

[PicaBoo]

Correct. I don't see how this is not obvious to everyone.

There is a difference between seeing a need and seeing the solution. If Cloke would have maintained his form since 2012, we wouldn't have this discussion.
Cloke has simply run out of goodwill after so many years. If your job depends on it, would Cloke be your main fwd or would you go for plan B? I don’t know what plan B is btw , looks like med sized fwd creating havoc but that is a wait and see.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

He could of played 100 straight games, doesn't discount the fact he's another Jesse White.

He's got tattoos on one side?

 

[the_champ_2004]

Heard from WA radio Tomlinson wants us. Thoughts?

 

[ksardog]

There is a difference between seeing a need and seeing the solution. If Cloke would have maintained his form since 2012, we wouldn't have this discussion.
Cloke has simply run out of goodwill after so many years. If your job depends on it, would Cloke be your main fwd or would you go for plan B? I don’t know what plan B is btw , looks like med sized fwd creating havoc but that is a wait and see.

If the club could of maintained there form im sure he would hav been playing better too.
You seen the way we hav been moving the ball forward these last few years?

 

[RupetFan]

Heard from WA radio Tomlinson wants us. Thoughts?

He's going to Carlton. Been known since last day of Trade Period last year.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Wright would improve the profile of our list massively.
Would set up our forward line for 10 years.

Did I read or hear somewhere that he is a Pies supporter?
Not that it counts for too much, but it's better than he hates us!

And if he doesn't, then we can bag him without mercy....

 

[Saintly Viewed]

If the club could of maintained there form im sure he would hav been playing better too.
You seen the way we hav been moving the ball forward these last few years?

You've placed a horse in your avatar?
Are you appealing to my inner horse?

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

My point is that Buckley doesnt have 3-5 years to rebuild. All the planning has been around a tilt at the flag by 2017.

If we are trading out our power forward and relying on a 20 year old to carry the forward line, it means we have given up on that strategy.

On that basis, Buckley has to go as well.

FWIW, i am advocating keeping Cloke and Buckley. I dont think a cleanout is required.

I am just saying that Bucks really cant afford to go down the rebuild stage. He needs results. And he needs his power forward in form.

I'm happy to keep Cloke too. I don't see the point swapping him for an Aaron Black/ similar or a late 2nd or 3rd round pick.....however, he may not want to stay and for that reason we must get maximum value from him. After all he is still contracted next year.
If he does go, Cox may just have to put in a little more over the preseason, as we will need at least 20 games out of him next year.

 

[Matz]

Heard from WA radio Tomlinson wants us. Thoughts?

Yer 6PR ? It was on Twitter last night.
It could be possible but all the talk is he's a done deal to the blues .


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[ksardog]

You've placed a horse in your avatar?
Are you appealing to my inner horse?

My horse

 

[Saintly Viewed]

My horse

Looks a nice one, clever head.
Beautiful graceful creatures.

 

[neilk]

Looks a nice one, clever head.
Beautiful graceful creatures.

Get a room you two. Or maybe a stable?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Get a room you two. Or maybe a stable?

Saintly is a gelding

 

[ksardog]

Looks a nice one, clever head.
Beautiful graceful creatures.

Related to Astern, by So You Think

 

[Hong Kong Pie]

He's going to Carlton. Been known since last day of Trade Period last year.

Carlton?! Why, for f*ck's sake? Still a rabble, and while we didn't set the world on fire this week, we still look good compared to the Blues.

 

[Apex36]

So the current team on rumoured players looks like.

B: Maynard (19) - Brown (27) - Langdon (22)
HB: Sinclair (24) - Reid (27) - Howe (26)
C: Aish (20) - Adams (22) - Sidebottom (25)
HF: Hoskin-Elliott (23) - Tomlinson (23) - Fasolo (24)
F: Elliott (23) - Moore (20) - White (28)
R: Grundy (22) - Pendlebury (28) - Treloar (23)

INT: Varcoe (28) - DeGoey (20) - Crisp (22) - Scharenberg (20)

Potentially 5 players (almost a quarter) who weren't in the team last year adds a completely different dynamic. (Langdon barely played and i am expecting some decent footy from him in 2017)

White could easily make way for Wills/Smith/Greenwood if we don't go with 3 talls up forward.

One thing that stands out, Extremely Young! Outside of Pendles/Varcoe/White/Brown/Reid the rest are all 26 and under.

Take out Langdon, put in Ramsay.

 

[Apex36]

Wright would improve the profile of our list massively.
Would set up our forward line for 10 years.

Did I read or hear somewhere that he is a Pies supporter?
Not that it counts for too much, but it's better than he hates us!

Lynch grew up a pies supporter too, just quietly...

 

[Apex36]

Bucks has never stopped cleaning out. Imho Cloke's departure is the last of MM boys and maybe some other dissonants that don't sit well with him . And he can afford it, there is nothing left to lose.
2017 is indeed not going to happen and the question will be next year how far off are we really with our list.

Cloke was never a MM boy. A big part of the reason he stayed at Collingwood in 2012 was because he preferred Buckley as a coach to Malthouse.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Related to Astern, by So You Think
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Good luck.
That's super.
Well done

 

[RupetFan]

Carlton?! Why, for f*ck's sake? Still a rabble, and while we didn't set the world on fire this week, we still look good compared to the Blues.

Only team he'd string a few senior games together at.

 

[RupetFan]

So the current team on rumoured players looks like.

B: Maynard (19) - Brown (27) - Langdon (22)
HB: Sinclair (24) - Reid (27) - Howe (26)
C: Aish (20) - Adams (22) - Sidebottom (25)
HF: Hoskin-Elliott (23) - Anyone but Tomlinson (23) - Fasolo (24)
F: Elliott (23) - Moore (20) - White (28)
R: Grundy (22) - Pendlebury (28) - Treloar (23)

INT: Varcoe (28) - DeGoey (20) - Crisp (22) - Scharenberg (20)

Potentially 5 players (almost a quarter) who weren't in the team last year adds a completely different dynamic. (Langdon barely played and i am expecting some decent footy from him in 2017)

White could easily make way for Wills/Smith/Greenwood if we don't go with 3 talls up forward.

One thing that stands out, Extremely Young! Outside of Pendles/Varcoe/White/Brown/Reid the rest are all 26 and under.

Better