Collingwood whingers at it again

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What i dont understand about this pack of whingers, is why did they sign the OLD deal, and then the NEW salary cap deal this year, if they think its so unfair? They agreed that the new system in which ALL clubs are allowed access to consessions if their interstate ratio is sufficient was fair 12 months ago, why are they whinging about it now?

Perhaps its just to divert attention from the one true and proven inequity in the AFL; the MCC contract.



From www.theage.com.au

Pies ask for cap equality
By Caroline Wilson
September 13, 2004


The AFL is headed for another showdown over the Brisbane Lions' salary-cap concessions, with Collingwood preparing to confront the commission on Wednesday with a solution to the controversial inequity that is scheduled to remain in place until the end of 2006.

The Magpies will push for the AFL to use the multimillion-dollar chest it has, to date, reserved for struggling Victorian clubs to allow all 16 teams a Brisbane-style top-up to their total player payments.

Collingwood president Eddie McGuire and his chief executive, Greg Swann, have accepted that it is now too late to remove the Lions' advantage for 2005, so will instead suggest that every other club be given an equal salary cap - worth an estimated extra $473,000 next season.

The renewed push comes with the Lions a strong favourite to take out their fourth successive premiership - which would equal the Magpies' record set in the 1920s and '30s- and follows yesterday's passionate plea from Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy for the Lions to be stripped of what has been justified by the AFL as an allowance to help the Queensland club prevent interstate players from leaving.

"Retention was just a figment of the AFL's imagination," said Swann last night. "They're trying to defend the indefensible . . . perhaps they don't want to lose face . . .

They (the Lions) haven't lost any players for a long time.

"We realise there's a lot of anomalies in the competition but Brisbane is an absolute juggernaut - not only on the field but with their gate, their sponsorship, their signage. They're strong in every area."

The Magpies also have placed the AFL's preliminary final deal with the Melbourne Cricket Club and the review of the tribunal and reporting system on Wednesday's agenda for the Lexus Centre meeting.

"At least with the preliminary final and the tribunal, they seem to be attempting to fix the problems. There seems no desire at all to fix this (cap concession) issue," Swann said.

Collingwood's proposal would mean the wealthier clubs pay the extra player payments from their own budgets, while those unable to afford the additional salary cap money could receive it from the competitive balance fund, currently worth some $5 million. This season, the Kangaroos ($1 million) and the Western Bulldogs ($1.5 million) have been guaranteed money from the fund, with Melbourne waiting for approval for its $1.5 million application.

"We believe there are seven or eight clubs who could make up the difference themselves," said Swann. "The others wanting the option could apply to the competitive balance fund."

While Collingwood does not plan to take on Sydney's loaded salary cap, related to cost of living in that city, the Magpies provided a lengthy submission to the AFL in May proposing a solution to the controversial retention money.

Carlton also prepared a document arguing for an equal salary cap with no extra money for player retention, injury payments, marketing money or veterans' allowance. The AFL has not responded to either submission, but the Lions issue was raised again last month at the club chief executives' meeting.

While AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou argued at the August meeting that Collingwood's solution was inflationary, Swann's response is that the clubs would reduce the added payments in line with Brisbane.

Next year's total player payments will be $6.3 million, with the Lions due to receive an extra 7.5 per cent, compared with 9 per cent this year, giving them $472,000 more than 14 other clubs to spend on their players.
 

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leonmagic said:
:D

Ah, I think you'll find that Collingwood isn't the ONLY club 'whinging'.. :rolleyes:

Might be time to do some research before trolling, young man.

It's easier to go with the flow, and bag the Pies.
 
the other thread was from a troll, who has done nothing but call brisbane cheats for the last three weeks. This thread asks the question, "why are they whinging now". I challenge you to find an answer.
 
leonmagic said:
:D

Ah, I think you'll find that Collingwood isn't the ONLY club 'whinging'.. :rolleyes:

Might be time to do some research before trolling, young man.
at no point did i say that collingwood are the only club, only that collingwood are doing it AGAIN, NOW. You know the club, answer this: "Why did they sign the new deal, and now think its unfair?"
 
grayham said:
Collingwood and Essendon have an agreement. Whenever one of them bombs out, they both have a whinge about salary caps to take the media attention away from the bomb-out.

Bitter about being the only team not to achieve anything with all that extra $$?

Cheer up.
 
The current collingwood administration will not stop whinging. period.

They only want to bring the lions down as it is the easier option.

Building collingwood up is a bit harder for them at the minute.

Im afraid the whinging will continue why i dont know but continue it will.

I dont believe the extra money makes that much difference, but i might be wrong.
 
leonmagic said:
Bitter about being the only team not to achieve anything with all that extra $$?

Cheer up.
Doesn't collingwood have the highest player budget at $12.8m. Pehaps your right leon, maybe they are just bitter about not achieving anything with all that extra $$?
 
And in other news, Cr@ppingwobble President, Eddie McGuire stated publically that Friday night telecasts and NFL (Nazi Football Leage) "Blockbuster" matches should be evenly shared with all clubs. PLUS he vowed to grant equal sponsorship time to each participating club on his weekly Collingw@nk Show.
 
grayham said:
Collingwood and Essendon have an agreement. Whenever one of them bombs out, they both have a whinge about salary caps to take the media attention away from the bomb-out.

Brisbane and Sydney have an agreement. Brisbane uses the cap concession to its advantage to win flag after flag after flag, while Sydney blows their salaries on duds , so Brisbane can say "look how crap Sydney are, obviously its not the concessions that makes us good!!!!"
 

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Perhaps they know brisbane will equall and probably suprpass their fourpeat record and want to taint it early. If so, they are a bitter green bunch.
 
beenreal said:
And in other news, Cr@ppingwobble President, Eddie McGuire stated publically that Friday night telecasts and NFL (Nazi Football Leage) "Blockbuster" matches should be evenly shared with all clubs. PLUS he vowed to grant equal sponsorship time to each participating club on his weekly Collingw@nk Show.
:D
 
hotpie said:
Brisbane and Sydney have an agreement. Brisbane uses the cap concession to its advantage to win flag after flag after flag, while Sydney blows their salaries on duds , so Brisbane can say "look how crap Sydney are, obviously its not the concessions that makes us good!!!!"

:D
 
beenreal said:
And in other news, Cr@ppingwobble President, Eddie McGuire stated publically that Friday night telecasts and NFL (Nazi Football Leage) "Blockbuster" matches should be evenly shared with all clubs. PLUS he vowed to grant equal sponsorship time to each participating club on his weekly Collingw@nk Show.

God I hope you pricks go down the toilet this Friday night.
 
hotpie said:
Brisbane and Sydney have an agreement. Brisbane uses the cap concession to its advantage to win flag after flag after flag, while Sydney blows their salaries on duds , so Brisbane can say "look how crap Sydney are, obviously its not the concessions that makes us good!!!!"

If 5th is crap, how bad is 13th ?

:D

Its the merger that made them strong, not the extra cap you morons.
 
hotpie said:
Brisbane and Sydney have an agreement. Brisbane uses the cap concession to its advantage to win flag after flag after flag, while Sydney blows their salaries on duds , so Brisbane can say "look how crap Sydney are, obviously its not the concessions that makes us good!!!!"

So i suppose that collingwood figures the 16-18 home games it gets and the excesive amounts of friday night and "blockbuster games" can be used as an excuse to recruit top ranked players that get it to 4th bottom ??
 
grayham said:
Collingwood and Essendon have an agreement. Whenever one of them bombs out, they both have a whinge about salary caps to take the media attention away from the bomb-out.

It is interesting that these are the two teams that have benefited over recent years from favourable draft picks which ensures that they do not have to travel much - they Collingwood/Eddie/Essendon/AFL try and justify this by saying that this maximises revenues for the league. The favourable picks are arguably favour these teams much more than salary cap concessions favour Brisbane or Sydney. Why don't they raise thos important issue with the Commission? Until they do, Colingwood and Essendon have no credibility in the football world.
 
grayham said:
Its the merger that made them strong, not the extra cap you morons.

You are hitting you head up against a wall trying to convince these whinging, poor loser deluded also rans that Brisbane won the flags because, quite simply, they are a better team, and a better run club.

Watch the frenzied hysterics as the Brians get closer to the organised crime inspired four in a row the filth won in the 20's. The only thing that these poor deluded souls have to hang their "we are a power club" propaganda on.

Wont it be fun if the Brions get up and equal their ancient record without the help of dirty money and underworld influence like Collingwood did until John Wren died.
Been a bit scarce since the crims have died off at Wobbleland.
 
Joffaboy said:
You are hitting you head up against a wall trying to convince these whinging, poor loser deluded also rans that Brisbane won the flags because, quite simply, they are a better team, and a better run club.

Watch the frenzied hysterics as the Brians get closer to the organised crime inspired four in a row the filth won in the 20's. The only thing that these poor deluded souls have to hang their "we are a power club" propaganda on.

Wont it be fun if the Brions get up and equal their ancient record without the help of dirty money and underworld influence like Collingwood did until John Wren died.
Been a bit scarce since the crims have died off at Wobbleland.
Every member of the Collingwood team – the coach and captain included – pocketed the princely sum of three pounds a game. When the club cut it back to two pounds 10 shillings in 1928 due to the worsening economic climate, the players almost went on strike. Syd Coventry managed to talk them out of such action.

In contrast, the Lions have spent more than $7 million on the team and the coach this season, allowing for the extra $600,000 they receive in the salary cap under their AFL exemption.

Surprisingly enough, the "Machine Team" and its Brisbane Lions challengers do have some similarities.

Both teams dominated the game. Collingwood won 70 of its 82 games in that period, with a winning percentage of 85%.
It remains the only team to go through a home and away season undefeated, in 1929.
Brisbane has won 74 of its 99 matches over the past four seasons for a winning percentage of 75%.

Clearly an 85% win rate smashes the cap assisted 75%


There goes your crime assisted fantasy

Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it
 
thats absolute trollop, copied and pasted from another deluded pie fans with absolutetly no sources or evidence and no mention of what the ther teams were being paid at the time making the whole argument irrelevent anyway. Fact is that Collingwood got good players on the back of crooked activity. And they got the audacity to call Brisbane cheats.
 

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