Play Nice Goal Umpire costs Adelaide a shot at finals, how do you stop it from happening again?

[Rusty Brookes]

But isn't the issue here that the goal umpire thought it was clear that it hit the post?

He didn't even flinch. Called it a poster immediately. There didn't appear to be any hesitation whatsoever from him.

Yeah but the instruction should be to send it to review unless it's clearly hit the post. Which it didn't. Take the umpire call out of it all together. Plus the field umpire should be able to call for the review as well.

 

[Soggy2112]

I beg to differ.....


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What exactly is this supposed to prove?

 

[PowerBaz]

It really is time to move on guys. What's done is done. Adelaide will use this as fuel for 2024.

Next 30 years….

 

[PowerBaz]

What exactly is this supposed to prove?


Well rather than rely on the goal to be a gaol against Sydney win another game and life’s great.

Was Tex rested so his 250th was in Adelaide amongst the knitting community? I dare say it was.

He didn’t miss any other games so one does wonder.

 

[Roby]

In the context of the game? No way Adelaide would lose. Sydney had scored ONE point for the entirety of the quarter to that point of the game. Adelaide would have scored 5-7 (had Keays goal stood). The crowd were up and about given the miraculous goal Keays had just kicked to take the lead with 70 seconds to go. There is NO WAY Sydney were winning that game.

I don't think you understand absolutes.

 

[Soggy2112]

What exactly is this supposed to prove?


Well rather than rely on the goal to be a gaol against Sydney win another game and life’s great.

Was Tex rested so his 250th was in Adelaide amongst the knitting community? I dare say it was.

He didn’t miss any other games so one does wonder.

I’m saying that just showing that he missed a game does not prove that it was intentional to make his 250th in Adelaide.

In 2022 he missed one game post suspension in round 11. In 2021 he missed two games pre suspension, one in round 9 and one in round 17, all three were away games. Seems a pattern is emerging that he tends to miss around the 10 games mark and they are usually away games.

So it was hardly out of the ordinary for him to miss a round 10 game in Ballarat, there’s no reason to assume it was for selfish reasons.

 

[Number37]

So what is your opinion.

My opinion is that it was a goal.
My opinion is also that there is no way that the AFL will ever change the result of a game so Crows fans will just have to suck it up.

 

[Ironmonger85]

My opinion is that it was a goal.
My opinion is also that there is no way that the AFL will ever change the result of a game so Crows fans will just have to suck it up.

They couldn't have changed the result with 1 minute left on the clock but they could've replayed the last minute, either a few days after the game or during the pre finals bye.

 

[Bloods86]

They couldn't have changed the result with 1 minute left on the clock but they could've replayed the last minute, either a few days after the game or during the pre finals bye.

No, they couldn't have. As with fixture concessions, financial compensation, this would create an untenable precedent for the league, because of an umpiring mistake.

 

[bomberclifford]

They couldn't have changed the result with 1 minute left on the clock but they could've replayed the last minute, either a few days after the game or during the pre finals bye.

This is possibly one of the most ridiculous suggestions put forward.
The energy, the resources, the cost, etc for 60 seconds of play. Utter insanity.

It would have been much better to call for extra time at the end of the game due to the missed goal.

 

[Ironmonger85]

Yes it would've been better to play the extra time after the game but they didn't do that, next best after that is replaying the last minute. It's been done before for different reasons in the 90's when there was a blackout during a Essendon Stkilda game. This obvious umpiring mistake(wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so obviously a goal) didn't just change the result of the game it changed who did or didn't make the 8 and cost Adelaide a finals chance. Adelaide look much better than the usual 8th place team too.

 

[Bloods86]

Yes it would've been better to play the extra time after the game but they didn't do that, next best after that is replaying the last minute. It's been done before for different reasons in the 90's when there was a blackout during a Essendon Stkilda game. This obvious umpiring mistake(wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so obviously a goal) didn't just change the result of the game it changed who did or didn't make the 8 and cost Adelaide a finals chance. Adelaide look much better than the usual 8th place team too.

No, because the game had finished, including that extra minute or so.

It was an umpiring mistake. Different to situations where games were interrupted.

The AFL simply cannot begin replaying minutes or games or overturning results or softening fixtures or financial compensating for umpiring mistakes. People who advocate for this have not thought it through, as to what this would initiate for the league.

The best that can and should be done is enforcing more automatic reviews to lessen or eradicate the risk of goal umpiring mistakes. If that includes calling it a goal, taking the ball to the middle and resetting the clock, interchange counts etc, so be it. That and improve the technology behind reviews where possible.

 

[AJB84]

It really is time to move on guys. What's done is done. Adelaide will use this as fuel for 2024.

Wrong!
You are welcome to not read the thread anymore.

 

[AJB84]

In any case the topic can't be dropped because the AFL are not actually addressing the issue.

There are 2 things that could happen to resolve this and make it almost more difficult to happen again.

1. POINTS that hit the post and go through the goals should all be reviewed. In most cases this should take a few seconds wait for the all clear from ARC and then continue. (GOALS should never be called for a review and should be called back if there is a mistake.)
2. Make it a goal if it goes through the goalposts and hitting the post is not relevant if it goes back into play it is a point (OR Maybe play on)

The joke last week with umpires constantly reviewing goals is extremely concerning and shows that the umpires don't understand the rules or the AFL directed them to umpire in a way that makes them look like morons.

 

[Purple7x08_24]

Wrong!
You are welcome to not read the thread anymore

Wow! I'm also welcome to not take instructions from you.

This thread is clearly about how to stop it from happening again. Not to whinge about what's already happened and done.

 

[Maddo11]

The joke last week with umpires constantly reviewing goals is extremely concerning and shows that the umpires don't understand the rules or the AFL directed them to umpire in a way that makes them look like morons.

One of their colleagues got immediately sacked for making what he just have thought was an obvious judgement call, no shit they were reviewing everything even remotely close

 

[The Jack]

God forbid this happens in a GF!

Oh. That’s right.

 

[AJB84]

One of their colleagues got immediately sacked for making what he just have thought was an obvious judgement call, no s**t they were reviewing everything even remotely close

He was stood down for not following the obvious process.

If the AFL are not lying and they don't punish goal umpires for reviews then there is no way he could have been 100% sure it hit the post. The fact that the players ran off and celebrated so strongly suggests he has poor awareness and clearly he did not see it hit the post because it didn't.

I would have thought a professional organisation could have told the Goal umpires what is logically expected of them but no they clearly did nothing because of this pathetic display. Now we have Sydney supporters coming in here saying they should do this really stupid thing because they have decided that the umpire is the one who they are siding with and screw actually making this not happen again because they made finals due to it so they can't dare to suggest that anything can change.

That is also pretty pathetic.

 

[Bloods86]

He was stood down for not following the obvious process.

If the AFL are not lying and they don't punish goal umpires for reviews then there is no way he could have been 100% sure it hit the post. The fact that the players ran off and celebrated so strongly suggests he has poor awareness and clearly he did not see it hit the post because it didn't.

I would have thought a professional organisation could have told the Goal umpires what is logically expected of them but no they clearly did nothing because of this pathetic display. Now we have Sydney supporters coming in here saying they should do this really stupid thing because they have decided that the umpire is the one who they are siding with and screw actually making this not happen again because they made finals due to it so they can't dare to suggest that anything can change.

That is also pretty pathetic.

Plenty of us Swans fans are agreeing that there needs to be changes to avoid this in future, even coming up with suggestions.

We'll see review trigger-happy umpires over the finals series, after which the AFL will have time to put other changes in place (behind the scenes reviews on all posters that don't fall back into play for example, all posters, or even all scores).

 

[Macca180]

Was Tex rested so his 250th was in Adelaide amongst the knitting community?

gold

 

[Jake98]

Just happened again in the St Kilda vs Geelong game. Dumb maggot goal umpires too stupid to apply even the most basic of common sense.

 

[Dangas]

Just happened again in the St Kilda vs Geelong game. Dumb maggot goal umpires too stupid to apply even the most basic of common sense.

...Somehow stopped who from making finals?