Opinion Commentary & Media V

[koshari]

Funny Stuff. She has been banging on about North relocating from back before 2007. It’s 2021. She has lost a lot of “Smart Money” over the years. :stern look

Don't worry, she will get plenty more mileage out of this, think of it as Caros personal report into "kids return to school" , "VCE results posed out" or any other annual event where the same file footage gets trodded out,

looks like the early signs of alzheimers setting in that she cant even remember she has ran this story several times before. It really should come with the soundbite of sonny and chers "I got you babe" with it being so repetitive.

true story, a bloke I used to work with (since retired) had a bit of footage of him operating the LYA boiler simulator many years ago, the said footage still gets a run whenever there is a story with a hint of power cuts, funny really because ,
-he was operating the simulator,
-the simulator he was training on was based on the old control system that was actually upgraded about 7 years ago.
-actual bloke in footage retired.


seriously though, lazy and pathetic reporting, the "May" part of the headline suggests she could have wrote "Next round of AFL games MAY be played on moon" with equal credibility.

 

[Waynesworld]

He built a huge reputation as a super-sub off a reality of kicking about 3 goals in 10 games.

I reckon pre-injury he could have been anything. Just another one that was cut down in his prime.

 

[Devington]

Why the **** would you want them to enforce that as a rule? If you think it's so great to play a junior as a sub, then play a junior. And if it's a concussion sub then what happens if there is no concussion? The kid just sits on their arse for 4 hours and probably misses out on VFL (or whatever the **** it's called now) too? That's going to be great for their development.

**** me...

 

[Caracas]

I think the best way to go about this is to allocate one substitute who can be used whenever the team decides. He could be used to replace a concussed player or teams could take a punt and make a strategic move. However, if they take a punt, they lose a player if somebody gets concussed later.


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[Firestarter]

That sounds like something they tried before...

 

[Devington]

I think the best way to go about this is to allocate one substitute who can be used whenever the team decides. He could be used to replace a concussed player or teams could take a punt and make a strategic move. However, if they take a punt, they lose a player if somebody gets concussed later.


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Sooooooo back to what we were doing 5 years ago before the coaches decided it was a bad idea because the sub loses conditioning. But this time around, considering it's designed to take concussion more seriously, your method would actually incentivise them to not hold out for the stated purpose thus continuing the incentivisation of improperly, and deliberately, diagnosing a player who's brain has been smacked around as actually being A-OK.

If they're pulling the trigger it needs to be concussion only sub. Otherwise nothing changes.

 

[Tectonic]

Why the fu** would you want them to enforce that as a rule? If you think it's so great to play a junior as a sub, then play a junior. And if it's a concussion sub then what happens if there is no concussion? The kid just sits on their arse for 4 hours and probably misses out on VFL (or whatever the fu** it's called now) too? That's going to be great for their development.

fu** me...

Clarko playing 7d chess
If nobody else can get game time into their kids he doesn't need to try.

 

[Caracas]

Sooooooo back to what we were doing 5 years ago before the coaches decided it was a bad idea because the sub loses conditioning. But this time around, considering it's designed to take concussion more seriously, your method would actually incentivise them to not hold out for the stated purpose thus continuing the incentivisation of improperly, and deliberately, diagnosing a player who's brain has been smacked around as actually being A-OK.

If they're pulling the trigger it needs to be concussion only sub. Otherwise nothing changes.

My assumption has always been that the players will get checked by an independent specialist. Otherwise, it’s all a complete waste.


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[Devington]

My assumption has always been that the players will get checked by an independent specialist. Otherwise, it’s all a complete waste.


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I'd love it if the AFL had their medicos checking the players at the ground, but thus far it's always been club staff. Completely agree with your second sentence.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Both teams start with 22 players.

If you lose some to injury and the opposition doesn’t, stiff shit.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Both teams start with 22 players.

If you lose some to injury and the opposition doesn’t, stiff sh*t.

I heard someone today make the excellent point that under the new rotation ceiling, the loss of a player to concussion really shouldn’t be the issue it was back when the concussion sub was brought in last time. And if doctors really do need the existence of a sub to call concussion, with all we know now, there is an urgent need to address the whole assessment process.

 

[Devington]

Both teams start with 22 players.

If you lose some to injury and the opposition doesn’t, stiff sh*t.

If we're going to take concussion seriously then we need to ensure players get diagnosed accurately/truthfully. A substitute will reduce the impulse from clubs/coaches to purposefully misdiagnose and send players back out there. Of course having unaligned AFL medical staff handle the diagnosing would be a better option but I'm not sure I've even seen that mentioned by anyone involved in the industry, let alone the media.

I totally support a concussion sub if the implementation actually ensured that every player that gets a significant knock is properly checked and diagnosed by people that don't have skin in the game... I just don't have faith in the AFL to do that. I don't think they genuinely gives a shit about player welfare and that this is all a PR and back covering exercise, so I fully expect the implementation to be shit.

Even if it does "give an advantage" to have a substitute available for a niche injury, given the potential long term effects of being mismanaged through concussion I'd happily handwave that away as being of relative unimportance if this were done properly.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

If we're going to take concussion seriously then we need to ensure players get diagnosed accurately/truthfully. A substitute will reduce the impulse from clubs/coaches to purposefully misdiagnose and send players back out there. Of course having unaligned AFL medical staff handle the diagnosing would be a better option but I'm not sure I've even seen that mentioned by anyone involved in the industry, let alone the media.

I totally support a concussion sub if the implementation actually ensured that every player that gets a significant knock is properly checked and diagnosed by people that don't have skin in the game... I just don't have faith in the AFL to do that. I don't think they genuinely gives a sh*t about player welfare and that this is all a PR and back covering exercise, so I fully expect the implementation to be sh*t.

Even if it does "give an advantage" to have a substitute available for a niche injury, given the potential long term effects of being mismanaged through concussion I'd happily handwave that away as being of relative unimportance if this were done properly.

Having an independent doctor assess potential concussion is the way to go.

If they deem them out, then they’re out.

 

[Mav]

If you’ve hired a doctor that is willing to lie about a concussion just so a player can play then your club has way more problems than a concussed player. You’re at Steven Dank level stupidity.

No doctor is going to risk their professional careers on one concussed player. Unless of course your doctor is a mad scientist or witch doctor.

The sub rule, (as it should have been from the beginning) should automatically mean the player subbed out misses a week. Then it doesn’t matter what the injury is, but if it’s bad enough you can sub a player off. The only issue is, it means a team that cops an injury goes from being the team disadvantaged to the team advantaged because they can put a fresh player on.

 

[tazaa]

Would be a shame if the great man never returned to the club.
Lot of wholesome content seeing Corey and Euge fire up

 

[Devington]

If you’ve hired a doctor that is willing to lie about a concussion just so a player can play then your club has way more problems than a concussed player. You’re at Steven Dank level stupidity.

No doctor is going to risk their professional careers on one concussed player. Unless of course your doctor is a mad scientist or witch doctor.

There's lying outright about a player being concussed and then there's blurring the lines and being slightly generous when administering/interpreting the tests. I doubt many blatantly obvious concussed players go back out, but I have far less faith with those that are borderline. It doesn't necessarily even have to be anything deliberate, subconscious bias from knowing the player could just as easily taint the process (Loogie is a bit thick, he probably wouldn't have got the day right anyway and he did get there eventually so I'll give it a tick etc).

It's a cut throat sport, filled with passionate and competitive people in most roles. Leaving it all in the hands of the clubs is just asking for the rules to be bent, if not outright broken.

Eliminate the risk by taken it out of their hands.

 

[shinboner magic]

Would be a shame if the great man never returned to the club.
Lot of wholesome content seeing Corey and Euge fire up

It’s time we stopped taking any crap from the trolls

 

[Mav]

There's lying outright about a player being concussed and then there's blurring the lines and being slightly generous when administering/interpreting the tests. I doubt many blatantly obvious concussed players go back out, but I have far less faith with those that are borderline. It doesn't necessarily even have to be anything deliberate, subconscious bias from knowing the player could just as easily taint the process (Loogie is a bit thick, he probably wouldn't have got the day right anyway and he did get there eventually so I'll give it a tick etc).

It's a cut throat sport, filled with passionate and competitive people in most roles. Leaving it all in the hands of the clubs is just asking for the rules to be bent, if not outright broken.

Eliminate the risk by taken it out of their hands.

I had a mate who was a doctor at Collingwood. It might have happened before, but not now. Doctors know the risk and they won’t risk their careers ahead of some coach demanding a player go back on. If they do, then like I said, your club is in a ****ed position.

 

[King Corey]

I had a mate who was a doctor at Collingwood. It might have happened before, but not now. Doctors know the risk and they won’t risk their careers ahead of some coach demanding a player go back on. If they do, then like I said, your club is in a f’ed position.

100%.

Club and doctor would want to be mighty careful faking a condition for an in-game advantage only to leave themselves open to God knows what legal ramifications down the track.

Way too risky. Clubs will be more likely to spin that a concussed player is fine than go stick a "please litigate" tag on their own forehead.

 

[The Brady Bunch]

Why the fu** would you want them to enforce that as a rule? If you think it's so great to play a junior as a sub, then play a junior. And if it's a concussion sub then what happens if there is no concussion? The kid just sits on their arse for 4 hours and probably misses out on VFL (or whatever the fu** it's called now) too? That's going to be great for their development.

fu** me...

Yep I think you could make just as valid an argument that the sub should only be a player over the age of 30 because the AFL should not be promoting age-ism and should be providing opportunities for older players rather than pushing them out the door. Either argument is bullshit. The only potential rule around the sub that would make any sense is that you can't have the same player as sub for more than two games in a row.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Geelong wouldn't be able to field an under 21 player.

 

[The Brady Bunch]

Geelong wouldn't be able to field an under 21 player.

Hyperbole aside, there will be instances with clubs suffering from a long injury list who may consider a specific under 21 player to be clearly best 22 on form yet they have to make him the sub because they don't have another under 21 fit enough or developed enough to play senior football.

It's one of Clarko's ambit claims that other people have taken seriously.

 

[The Brady Bunch]

100%.

Club and doctor would want to be mighty careful faking a condition for an in-game advantage only to leave themselves open to God knows what legal ramifications down the track.

Way too risky. Clubs will be more likely to spin that a concussed player is fine than go stick a "please litigate" tag on their own forehead.

The best part about the new concussion rule (forced 12 day break) is that it will stop clubs from manipulating their own medical reports to say that a player is suffering from delayed concussion in order to get an opposition player suspended. If their doctors were not willing to pull the player mid-game, then they should never have been given the ammunition to change the grading of the MRO.

 

[Hazey1977]

Don't worry, she will get plenty more mileage out of this, think of it as Caros personal report into "kids return to school" , "VCE results posed out" or any other annual event where the same file footage gets trodded out,

looks like the early signs of alzheimers setting in that she cant even remember she has ran this story several times before. It really should come with the soundbite of sonny and chers "I got you babe" with it being so repetitive.

true story, a bloke I used to work with (since retired) had a bit of footage of him operating the LYA boiler simulator many years ago, the said footage still gets a run whenever there is a story with a hint of power cuts, funny really because ,
-he was operating the simulator,
-the simulator he was training on was based on the old control system that was actually upgraded about 7 years ago.
-actual bloke in footage retired.


seriously though, lazy and pathetic reporting, the "May" part of the headline suggests she could have wrote "Next round of AFL games MAY be played on moon" with equal credibility.

The story about your mate makes me think of everytime they show a path lab on the tv.... Some freakin' tubes spinning about on a piece of equipment that should've been discarded in 1982 or someone using a fancy 12 tip pipette in to some coloured water....

I mean, where's the good stuff like me looking down the scope at some other blokes swimmers while trying to ignore the slight ammonia smell and knowing it's not yours.... Or getting the scissors to cut a cup full of sputum... Or having the lid blow off a 3 day faecal fat collection tin and paint the roof as it warmed to room temperature too fast....

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[The Brady Bunch]

The story about your mate makes me think of everytime they show a path lab on the tv.... Some freakin' tubes spinning about on a piece of equipment that should've been discarded in 1982 or someone using a fancy 12 tip pipette in to some coloured water....

I mean, where's the good stuff like me looking down the scope at some other blokes swimmers while trying to ignore the slight ammonia smell and knowing it's not yours.... Or getting the scissors to cut a cup full of sputum... Or having the lid blow off a 3 day faecal fat collection tin and paint the roof as it warmed to room temperature too fast....

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You make it all seem so glamorous.