List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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The Contracts Thread

Current contract status (Updated 26/6/24) : Total 45 Players - Main List (37) Rookie List (6) Cat B (2) Contracted to 2027 (3) : Tom Barrass (8/10/95) - Signed a 5 year extension (2023-27) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in December 2021 Reuben Ginbey (10/9/04) - Signed a 3 year...

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[wirra44]

For that to happen North would have to win 3 out of 8 games and Richmond 2 out of 8 games. I can’t see either happening when you look at their run home and that assumes we will not win another game. I’d say we’re almost a lock for pick 3 but to be honest wouldn’t be unhappy with 17th and pick 2.

Guessing you don’t know how the percentage thing works? If we don’t win a game and get pumped in a few north will only need 2 wins and Richmond only need 1. Definitely not impossible, my guess is will finish 17th, Richmond will beat the dockers this week

Adding to that too North and Richmond play each other and then we have north in Tasmania.

 

[eaglevision]

Same I see him as a late pick, maybe even finds his way on to list as a rookie.

Very flashy , but just doesn't do enough, often enough for my liking.

What he does he does, he does very well, but his involvement in games is far less than I be expecting, or wanting to see from an aspiring AFL talent, he will need to lift his production considerable before I would spend high value draft capital on him.

Spot on and exactly why I don’t see him going any higher than 40. Fades in and out of games, didn’t seem to be able to put any separation between himself and his opponent on the weekend at the higher level and at his size if he gets caught he’s not getting out of the tackle.

In saying that, he is very skilful and if he can find a way to consistently impact games across four quarters he’d be ranked a lot higher. For that reason I expect a club to roll the dice on him at 40+ before the rookie draft, which I’d foresee us to match with our 4R. We certainly won’t use our 2R on him.

 

[eaglevision]

Guessing you don’t know how the percentage thing works? If we don’t win a game and get pumped in a few north will only need 2 wins and Richmond only need 1. Definitely not impossible, my guess is will finish 17th, Richmond will beat the dockers this week

Adding to that too North and Richmond play each other and then we have north in Tasmania.

Well aware of the %, look at the runs home and tell me how either make up 10%? North’s next 4 for example are Suns, Swans, Blues, Cats before 2 winnable games then finish with Dogs and Hawks.

Would love Richmond to beat the Dockers, North and pinch another one and finish 16th.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Well aware of the %, look at the runs home and tell me how either make up 10%? North’s next 4 for example are Suns, Swans, Blues, Cats before 2 winnable games then finish with Dogs and Hawks.

Would love Richmond to beat the Dockers, North and pinch another one and finish 16th.

To be fair it's only 6% and 7% they have to make up.

North could do a fair part of that 6% in one game if they beat us by a decent margin in our matchup in Tassie

Now I don't think it'll happen, but it's definitely very possible to slide at least another spot down the ladder

 

[MCMUFFIN]

Our draft hand is horrible, fos is prob 1 or 2 and I think splitting our 3 only works with freo or GC. GC would prob use that on rioli and freo wouldn't want to work with us unless it gets them shai or warner. I only want Baker if it's through a trade but they'd tell us to get f if we offered bbw +f2

Yeh fair call our draft hand is rubbish atm.
I'm against a PP but if the vAFL pull any strings to help the Roos again or even the Tigers, we should just ask for a Pick or a package that'll help us get in either Baker or even Buss.
I'm sure there is more players in our sights but we are a closed book which is good.
Yeh FOS would be a steal at 3, It'll be an interesting off-season nonetheless

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Too many people havnt clenched the cheeks enough to understand we are more likely to trade pick 3 then we are to keep it....

Id go into the draft planning on what we will do with pick 10 as opposed to pick 3

 

[Schtinker]

Baker and Richmonds 1st for our 4th round pick or we walk him to the PSD.

 

[ghostbat12]

Too many people havnt clenched the cheeks enough to understand we are more likely to trade pick 3 then we are to keep it....

Id go into the draft planning on what we will do with pick 10 as opposed to pick 3

Sorry I may have missed it, where is it coming from we are most likely to trade pick 3?

 

[Cuzz09]

Rotham to Adelaide for Curtin

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[random260]

Think I'd take any Lalor, Reid, Allan or Hotton ahead of Sid Draper now

You are out of mind.

Sid draper on his weak days has 20 possesions.

How is smillie better then Sid draper?
How is Jagga more damaging then Sid draper.

If you pick Sid Draper you get
1. Speed and Burst
2. Clearance work
3. Steps up in big moments (leadership)

Sid draper is top 3 mid. Lalor may be better then Sid. But the rest is just laughable.

I'll check out his latest champ game. But his second champ game was flawless.

 

[RanaNaved]

You are out of mind.

Sid draper on his weak days has 20 possesions.

How is smillie better then Sid draper?
How is Jagga more damaging then Sid draper.

If you pick Sid Draper you get
1. Speed and Burst
2. Clearance work
3. Steps up in big moments (leadership)

Sid draper is top 3 mid. Lalor may be better then Sid. But the rest is just laughable.

I'll check out his latest champ game. But his second champ game was flawless.

It's all subjective, but imo Smillie is a better ball user (hand and foot), a better decision maker, has more flexibility and greater upside.

Murphy Reid and Hotton have far, far better skills than Draper, and it's not even close. Their skill level and decision making are a level (or two) above Draper.

Allan is very similar to Draper athletically and stylistically, but is 191cm and more versatile, so he gets my vote

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Sorry I may have missed it, where is it coming from we are most likely to trade pick 3?

Reality I’m afraid…

Too much of what we are doing and what Pyke is saying points that way. I think aggression means multiple moves and can only so multiple moves with multiple picks

 

[Truly Lazuli]

Reality I’m afraid…

Too much of what we are doing and what Pyke is saying points that way. I think aggression means multiple moves and can only so multiple moves with multiple picks

Reality and GoEaglesGoSGIO - is there a more iconic duo?

 

[eaglevision]

You are out of mind.

Sid draper on his weak days has 20 possesions.

How is smillie better then Sid draper?
How is Jagga more damaging then Sid draper.

If you pick Sid Draper you get
1. Speed and Burst
2. Clearance work
3. Steps up in big moments (leadership)

Sid draper is top 3 mid. Lalor may be better then Sid. But the rest is just laughable.

I'll check out his latest champ game. But his second champ game was flawless.

Sid’s burst from the pack is excellent, so is his willingness to get from contest to contest and pull teammates into the game. Always presents himself as an option after disposal too with gut running with passages in the champs with 3-4 possessions in a chain which was NDaicos like where he moved the ball from D50 to F50. Clear on field leader too.

In saying that, he averaged just under 7 kicks a game and didn’t hit the scoreboard in the champs so there needs to be a balance between potential and output. Do we want to use a top 3 pick on those stat lines? No. Does he have huge potential? Yes.

Also important to note that he’s come in underdone being off his legs. FOS (who should play this week) will at least have the kms under his belt.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Reality and GoEaglesGoSGIO - is there a more iconic duo?

You and shit posts is up there

 

[JackOutback]

Too many people havnt clenched the cheeks enough to understand we are more likely to trade pick 3 then we are to keep it....

Id go into the draft planning on what we will do with pick 10 as opposed to pick 3

I expect us to finish 16th, not 17th or 18th, and given what I’ve heard about the draft, that is where the even spread of talent begins. So I expect us to split pick 3 and it seems like a sound strategy. We don’t have enough picks in this draft, we need more.

 

[6285sutto]

This year's draft rage 3-10 seems very similar and even to 2022. We split 2 for 9 and 14 going off that metric can see a deal like this...

Freo trade out 12 + 13
Freo receive shai from Richmond

Richmond trade Baker and Bolton
Richmond recieve 3+ 13

Wce trade 3
Wce receive Baker+ 12

Don't love it, don't hate it either

This seems surprisingly fair

 

[CountryLad]

It's all subjective, but imo Smillie is a better ball user (hand and foot), a better decision maker, has more flexibility and greater upside.

Murphy Reid and Hotton have far, far better skills than Draper, and it's not even close. Their skill level and decision making are a level (or two) above Draper.

Allan is very similar to Draper athletically and stylistically, but is 191cm and more versatile, so he gets my vote

I wouldn’t be going Hotton with a first round pick coming off an ACL and particularly not if he has to move interstate to WA.

 

[Shueygod]

This seems surprisingly fair

The eagles get ****ing reamed

 

[Lazzas]

Well aware of the %, look at the runs home and tell me how either make up 10%? North’s next 4 for example are Suns, Swans, Blues, Cats before 2 winnable games then finish with Dogs and Hawks.

Would love Richmond to beat the Dockers, North and pinch another one and finish 16th.

Dockers will beat Richmond easily

 

[Patron]

Why are people so into baker around here?

He will be 27 next year (January bday), so he won't add to our youth or be around for our window.
He's not a free agent so we need to use our precious draft capital to get him.
He's an average to above average AFL player with no set position and doesn't fill any specific need for us.

I just don't see the value in it.

 

[maverick001]

Unless you are an inside bull like cripps or green who are just ball magnets then the modern game isn't suited for slow mids .

I would be happy to keep cully on the rookie list 1 more season but no worth a senior list spot

When fit Cripps isn't even that slow

 

[pantskyle]

I think we'll definitely request an assistance package from the AFL and it'll be like the North one, two picks that must be traded. They would help secure two trade targets, hopefully Buss and Baker.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

With a couple of games left in the champs this is my rolling top 30 with the players I feel would be the best fit for the list which have a clear focus on outside mids, run and rebound, good foot skills and KPDs.

1. Finn O'Sullivan
2. Levi Ashcroft (F/S BL)
3. Josh Smillie
4. Leo Lombard (NGA GCS)
5. Jagga Smith
6. Murphy Reid
7. Sid Draper
8. Luke Trainor
9. Christian Moraes
10. Tobie Travaglia
11. Harvey Langford
12. Sam Lalor
13. Tom Gross
14. Harry O'Farrell
15. Jack Whitlock
16. Isaac Kako (NGA ESS)
17. Sam Marshall (NGA BL)
18. Matt Whitlock
19. Jonty Faull
20. Tyler Welsh (F/S ADEL)
21. Jobe Shanahan
22. Taj Hotton
23. Cooper Hynes
24. Bo Allan
25. Xavier Lindsay
26. Ben Camporeale (F/S CARL)
27. Joe Berry
28. Noah Mraz
29. Josh Murphy
30. Lucas Camporeale (F/S CARL)

There’s a few that could easily slot into this 30 but have to draw the line somewhere. Now that it sounds like Rioli isn’t leaving Richmond for the Suns the deal I’d be most interested in is swapping our F1 for 8 and 10 with GCS which would give us a number of options with those picks or to split one of them with Freo for say 16 and 24. It’s an odd draft profile this year with a shallow top end but a very deep 2R and 3R. For comparison I feel like Smillie would be about the level of Sanders last year who went pick 6. I hope we’re looking at ways to get picks between 10 and 30 because I think that range will be an absolute stand out this year compared to previous drafts. If we trade anything other than players for Liam Baker I will lose all faith in our recruitment team to build a list that can be anything other than mid table mediocrity at best.

We have to split our F1 like your suggestion.

this would be an awesome draft haul.
2 O;sullivan
8 Travaglia
10 Lalor

And like you said - figure out a way to get busslinger and baker via player trades. This is where barrass or Waterman trade might net us a bounty worth considering.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

To be fair it's only 6% and 7% they have to make up.

North could do a fair part of that 6% in one game if they beat us by a decent margin in our matchup in Tassie

Now I don't think it'll happen, but it's definitely very possible to slide at least another spot down the ladder

Also remember our last game is in Geelong. We have lost by 100+ the last few trips