Autopsy Round 15, 2024: Positives and Negatives vs Essendon

[RookiePick]

Watched most of a replay as I missed the game live.

Not sure what to make of it. We looked like lime a bog average bottom 4 side. I guess that's progress.

Hopefully everyone is getting over the idea that Flynn is the second coming. I thought he was well beaten by Draper coming back off a knee.

I thought Essendon really showed the gap in class with their ability to hit targets, at pace really consistently. It turned into a lot of uncontested ball for them.

Some good signs with our link up handball and overlap to move the ball at stages.

Just an average kind of game really, with about the expected outcome if we played decently. Probably the type of game that will hold more weight if we can string several of that calibre together.

 

[Grahame]

We'll see. Simpson talked about the need for faster players in the midfield during the week.

Sheed was on the out until Kelly got injured and Reid suspended.

In the presser as an aside Simmo said Reid and Kelly would be back (that is, didn’t mention Sheed - maybe he was being forgetful). Then later when specifically asked about Sheed he said ‘he’d be in the mix’.

May mean nothing. May mean he’s already decided Sheed won’t be selected.

?????

 

[DickDunn]

Ginbey looks more and more comfortable with the pace of AFL footy every week. He is a midfielder guys. Sending him to a HBF will do nothing for his development.

Also reckon J Jones is getting some harsh reviews. He can definitely be a butcher but had some nice moments today, provides us with much needed rebound out of the back half.

Coleman-era Waterman, Allen and Darling will cause some problems for opposition backlines. Still a bit to smooth out but promising signs.

Hunt seemed to spend a fair bit of his game up forward today. Really doesn’t seem well suited to the way we’re trying to play at the moment compared to last season’s slower and more methodical style. Hopefully we can find a way to utilise his run and carry.

Williams looks low on confidence, reckon he’d be feeling the pressure of not performing up forward after the move was touted so much. A spell in the wafl might not be the worst thing for him, although I get the feeling we’re not developing him to his full potential

 

[Matera92]

Ginbey looks more and more comfortable with the pace of AFL footy every week. He is a midfielder guys. Sending him to a HBF will do nothing for his development.

Also reckon J Jones is getting some harsh reviews. He can definitely be a butcher but had some nice moments today, provides us with much needed rebound out of the back half.

Coleman-era Waterman, Allen and Darling will cause some problems for opposition backlines. Still a bit to smooth out but promising signs.

Hunt seemed to spend a fair bit of his game up forward today. Really doesn’t seem well suited to the way we’re trying to play at the moment compared to last season’s slower and more methodical style. Hopefully we can find a way to utilise his run and carry.

Williams looks low on confidence, reckon he’d be feeling the pressure of not performing up forward after the move was touted so much. A spell in the wafl might not be the worst thing for him, although I get the feeling we’re not developing him to his full potential

Squibbed two important contests in 30s, cost us a good forward entry and the second saw Essendon run the ball down the ground and score a goal.

Unforgivable.

 

[stallon]

But developing his ball use off a half back flank isnt the same as developing his ball use in the contest. Duggan goes from being a 50/50 kick in the backline to being terrible as an inside mid. Its just not the same.

What Duggan does is not relevant, Duggans role is one that would be suitable for Ginbey to do though. While we are short on mids, Duggan is a competent mid who can do the defensive role that Ginbey does.

Its about what might be best for Ginbey, Duggan could be moved to the forward pocket idc its not relevant to what I was talking about

A few 20-25 touch games with 15+ kicks would do him some good I think

 

[Sammy J]

I was at the game yesterday. It certainly seemed like we were in the contest, but they were getting a lot more clean ball once they’d win a clearance. The run from halfback through to their forward line was at times unimpeded, which is probably due to a lack of defensive pressure.

It felt like we had to work so hard for a scoring shot, and they were getting much better looks and converting.

I can’t fault our endeavor, the boys cracked in, but too many were fumbly and our skills were lacking.

With Reid and Kelly, we probably win that game if I’m honest.

 

[kranky al]

Hough is playing such a tough role. In a one pace backline that has and will concede alot of inside 50s... I trust it wont faze him, baptism of fire.. and just you wait fellas he will be a Sheppard type albeit not top 10 draft pick

Hough has been brilliant all year, except yesterday.

 

[Cuzz09]

It felt like we had to work so hard for a scoring shot, and they were getting much better looks and converting.

This explains every WCE game pretty much since 2019

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[Hoskin300]

What Duggan does is not relevant, Duggans role is one that would be suitable for Ginbey to do though. While we are short on mids, Duggan is a competent mid who can do the defensive role that Ginbey does.

Its about what might be best for Ginbey, Duggan could be moved to the forward pocket idc its not relevant to what I was talking about

A few 20-25 touch games with 15+ kicks would do him some good I think

And I disagree that learning to kick in space on a back flank isn’t the same as learning to kick in stoppages.

You are missing the point of what I’m saying with Duggan so I won’t keep repeating it.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Stop trying to make Ginbey HBF happen it's not going to happen. Ginbey has a shit kick. Deplorable kick.

He's doing fine developing in the mids. Not every kid drafted has versatility or needs it to play different positions

I thought ginbey's kicking has been much improved this year .

When he has time and he has been hitting his targets .

Its his kicking and handballing under pressure where he has struggled but that should improve with time and experience

 

[Hoskin300]

Stop trying to make Ginbey HBF happen it's not going to happen. Ginbey has a shit kick. Deplorable kick.

He's doing fine developing in the mids. Not every kid drafted has versatility or needs it to play different positions

To be fair Duggan has a far worse kick and has had a career in the backline.

But yes I agree let him cook in his position.

 

[Hoskin300]

Ginbey looks more and more comfortable with the pace of AFL footy every week. He is a midfielder guys. Sending him to a HBF will do nothing for his development.

Also reckon J Jones is getting some harsh reviews. He can definitely be a butcher but had some nice moments today, provides us with much needed rebound out of the back half.

Coleman-era Waterman, Allen and Darling will cause some problems for opposition backlines. Still a bit to smooth out but promising signs.

Hunt seemed to spend a fair bit of his game up forward today. Really doesn’t seem well suited to the way we’re trying to play at the moment compared to last season’s slower and more methodical style. Hopefully we can find a way to utilise his run and carry.

Williams looks low on confidence, reckon he’d be feeling the pressure of not performing up forward after the move was touted so much. A spell in the wafl might not be the worst thing for him, although I get the feeling we’re not developing him to his full potential

Jones defs had his best game of the year today. Won’t be enough to stop him getting dropped.

 

[RookiePick]

Did have a giggle (after he got up and dusted himself off) at Oscar. First contest in the match he flies and makes one of his typical awkward ass looking landings flat on his back.

The guy is his own worst enemy in this regard. Just never seems to land well.

 

[Lazzas]

Stop trying to make Ginbey HBF happen it's not going to happen. Ginbey has a shit kick. Deplorable kick.

He's doing fine developing in the mids. Not every kid drafted has versatility or needs it to play different positions

Played backline as a junior, relatively new to midfield . He is an extremely hard worker my worry is that he reacts to what other people are doing rather than see ball get ball. His kicking on the run has improved and a powerful runner.

May end up a midfielder through work ethic at least I hope so.

 

[flyinghi64]

Squibbed two important contests in 30s, cost us a good forward entry and the second saw Essendon run the ball down the ground and score a goal.

Unforgivable.

Was far from the only one to squib a few yesterday.
Thought he had more positives than negatives and is getting better with each game.
Chesser has been given a fair while to find his groove and is still looking for it really and I think JJ's pace and want to take the game on is something we desperately need and should be encouraging.

On another note, geez that Sam Durham is a good player and Merret just doesn't waste a thing, would be a good saver.

 

[Deepthroat]

You forgot Hough but I don't disagree with your point.

We had 17 (yes, 17!) players today 24 or older. That is 17 players who have no excuses.

Simmo prattles on about experience, youth, development but it's all a smoke screen. These excuses count for naught when there are 17 senior players. And of the other 5, three of them in third year, 2 in second.

Not saying today was a terrible effort, but in the context of the season, only winning 3 games, we should be doing better

I consider Hough as now graduated to the "Performing Senior" ranks.

A credit to him after only 40 odd games.

My expectation of him is to perform at a high level weekly now for 4 qtrs and he rarely lets me down.

 

[WA footy mad]

2 things i hate about our game we allow teams to switch out of defence to easily & we allow the short kick in.

Short kick in - Players hang off players to allow the short kick which is designed to limit the options coming out of defence. Its never worked make the full back kick it to a contest.

Switch - We don't have the speed in our forward line to cover a team when they switch sides.

 

[Astro7]

 

[Dark Sharks]

I do think the sooner we can find an upgrade/replacement for the below players, the better the club will be.

Jones, Rotham, Petrucelle and B.Williams.

I get the player they want Jones to be. I just think he's had long enough to do it and it's time to face facts, it's not happening, he's not consistent enough for AFL.

Rotham is obvious. Adds nothing, does nothing, just state level trash that's been on a list too long thanks to his agent.

Petrucelle, same as above, albeit less pressing. A 7 year career of being an average player. There's bigger fish to cull, but he's definitely in #Whatsthepoint territory.

Williams is good enough for AFL, but blind Freddy can see he's not a forward and only played some reasonable AFL in the ruck due to his athleticism and grit. Trade fodder every day of the week. Let some other kent try and turn him into an forward, because we can't and right now we're just turning him into a potato on the open market. Another season of this shit and he'll be worth a 5th rounder.

 

[TOA.]

I do think the sooner we can find an upgrade/replacement for the below players, the better the club will be.

Jones, Rotham, Petrucelle and B.Williams.

I get the player they want Jones to be. I just think he's had long enough to do it and it's time to face facts, it's not happening, he's not consistent enough for AFL.

Rotham is obvious. Adds nothing, does nothing, just state level trash that's been on a list too long thanks to his agent.

Petrucelle, same as above, albeit less pressing. A 7 year career of being an average player. There's bigger fish to cull, but he's definitely in #Whatsthepoint territory.

Williams is good enough for AFL, but blind Freddy can see he's not a forward and only played some reasonable AFL in the ruck due to his athleticism and grit. Trade fodder every day of the week. Let some other kent try and turn him into an forward, because we can't and right now we're just turning him into a potato on the open market. Another season of this shit and he'll be worth a 5th rounder.

Agree, all the definition of list cloggers.

Rotham's ability to make at least 1-2 deadset howlers every game is astounding.

 

[RanaNaved]

Can't overstate how pumped I was to see Brockman and Ryan in the middle and Maric on the wing.

Simpson imo has had a tendency to pigeon-hole player's which seems to stunt player development/growth and negatively impact the team

 

[stallon]

Can't overstate how pumped I was to see Brockman and Ryan in the middle and Maric on the wing.

Simpson imo has had a tendency to pigeon-hole player's which seems to stunt player development/growth and negatively impact the team

I think thats been more of a thing over the last few years when numbers have been low and the senior players from the premiership got prioritised when we were still trying to win games, and more recently young players have been prioritised. Its just left a bunch of guys in no-mans land just filling whatever role around the edges.

Hopefully that goes away now that we have good availability

 

[Quinz]

Did have a giggle (after he got up and dusted himself off) at Oscar. First contest in the match he flies and makes one of his typical awkward ass looking landings flat on his back.

The guy is his own worst enemy in this regard. Just never seems to land well.

Oscar a big Buster Keaton fan.

 

[Ace McKane]

Stop trying to make Ginbey HBF happen it's not going to happen. Ginbey has a shit kick. Deplorable kick.

He's doing fine developing in the mids. Not every kid drafted has versatility or needs it to play different positions

Jeez. Deplorable? I'd take his boot over plenty of others in this team at the moment.

 

[ghostbat12]

Yes not being coached to play offensive just all defensive stuff needs to be balanced better, as
he can be a offensive threat if given the chance

Reckon I’ve doubled my lung capacity this year having to hold my breath every time he goes for a kick.