List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[FKASC]

How draft picks are considered a reach or a slider is weird.

Maybe the blues rated him at 1 and he slid to them

It’s largely decided by how close they ended up getting to the main media phantoms

 

[Peptide Pig]

Why on earth would Baker sign a 1 year deal?

He could get a career ending injury next year and he's stuffed.

He could’ve got a career ending injury this year and been out of contract now. What’s your point?

No one is saying he is going to sign a one year deal, I was just replying to a question of when would he be FA eligible. In case you haven’t realised 99% of posts on this board are exploring hypotheticals, mostly ones that benefit WCE.

But in the spirit of hypotheticals, I will throw some possibilities at your question of why would he ever extend at Richmond for 1 year.

Approaching the end of trade period and WCE and Freo are focused on other deals (Warner?) and interest in Baker cools as he is seen as a lower priority. It’s a stalemate and the PSD is looming. Baker doesn’t want to dog the Tigers but a trade is not forthcoming.

Richmond come to him and say “We have lost a lot of senior players and are concerned of a leadership void, we have heaps of salary cap to spend, would you stay for another year on huge overs to help steady the ship? Then you can assess next year as a FA and you have our blessing to go wherever is best for your career.”

Then WCE would embrace him with open arms the following year as a FA, costing us nothing.

Have players ever remained at their existing club after requesting a trade? Yes.

Is it likely to happen with Baker? No, so take a couple of deep breaths.

There is still another few weeks of random fan speculation before trade period even starts so pace yourself and try not to take things so seriously.

 

[EagleEgo]

Phil I appreciate the majority of what you post but I respectfully disagree on this one

• I don't think he was seen as a huge reach. He was expected to go first round, grew a lot across the course of the year which obvs is a sign for additional potential once he learnt to use that additional body.
• Carlton saw enough in him to pull the trigger at 14. Eagles recruiters failed to identify it. Of course its ridiculous to expect every draft pick is nailed, but it's also fair to say we failed to identify a local talent that others successfully identified. And when viewed in the context of all the other draft picks taken over a 5-6 year period, it's yet another that we got wrong.
• Ultimately he only went 2 places later than sheed, so the argument that 12 other clubs passed on Cripps so he can't have been that much of a standout can also be applied to Sheed - 10 other clubs passed on him for a reason too.
• Not bagging dom, he was a good afl player until his injuries. But he's gotten nowhere near Cripps level.

Malthouse and Wiley were in charge at Carlton at the time. Wiley definitely knew Cripp's ability better.

 

[Into The Black]

Harley probably generates 3 on his own.

Reckon Ginbey and Hewett would both go for a late first rounder if we needed to have a fire sale too.

ffs. pedantic crap.

 

[Keys]

With list spots at a premium Sheed presents us with a dilemma.

The probable trades of Darling and Barrass plus the delisting of Jones, Trew and Baker has opened up 5 spots.

Then there is just 5 remaining uncontracted players - L Edwards, Rotham, Witherden, Burgiel and Culley. Only Culley has been reported to be in negotiations for a new contract but nothing official has been confirmed

With no other trades out, that leaves a maximum of 10 spots - 9 if Culley gets a new contract. I’d also prefer we keep Burgiel for another year and send him to Doha to get his hammies sorted (McGovern said on ABC Saturday another group was going but didn’t say who)

We should be taking at least 5 draft picks, preferably 6. Bring in Baker and Graham and that’s 7-8 players before the likes of Carroll, Garcia, Parfitt or Robertson are considered

So do we payout Sheed to save a Burgiel or retain Witherden who despite his flaws provided more in 2024 than Sheed. Clearly he’s been hampered by his foot injury that he had operated on recently to fix the problem

Unfortunately we probably don’t know prior to trade week if that’s worked and may not even know by the time the draft rolls around.

So I think he likely gets kept with a decision to be made during preseason as to whether he can contribute for a full season. If he can’t then retire him and find a SSP player as his replacement

 

[Barrybran]

With list spots at a premium Sheed presents us with a dilemma.

The probable trades of Darling and Barrass plus the delisting of Jones, Trew and Baker has opened up 5 spots.

Then there is just 5 remaining uncontracted players - L Edwards, Rotham, Witherden, Burgiel and Culley. Only Culley has been reported to be in negotiations for a new contract but nothing official has been confirmed

With no other trades out, that leaves a maximum of 10 spots - 9 if Culley gets a new contract. I’d also prefer we keep Burgiel for another year and send him to Doha to get his hammies sorted (McGovern said on ABC Saturday another group was going but didn’t say who)

We should be taking at least 5 draft picks, preferably 6. Bring in Baker and Graham and that’s 7-8 players before the likes of Carroll, Garcia, Parfitt or Robertson are considered

So do we payout Sheed to save a Burgiel or retain Witherden who despite his flaws provided more in 2024 than Sheed. Clearly he’s been hampered by his foot injury that he had operated on recently to fix the problem

Unfortunately we probably don’t know prior to trade week if that’s worked and may not even know by the time the draft rolls around.

So I think he likely gets kept with a decision to be made during preseason as to whether he can contribute for a full season. If he can’t then retire him and find a SSP player as his replacement

Is Burgiel and Witherden an 'or' rather than and 'and'? I would expect we would pay out Sheed and keep Witherden AND Burgiel until we know where we stand with Burgiel's body.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Brizkent is part of the furniture at this point. Can't imagine this board, and this thread in particular without him.

How many offseason has it been now... 3?

Still hasn't explained the academys much to us though, wouldn't mind a detailed breakdown

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Graham is a free agent and would cost us nothing except his salary, so he shouldn't be in this trade discussion. Baker rates above average or elite in most of the major statistical areas which is better than Rioli who rates average/below average yet most expect GC to cough up 6 or 12 for. Reckon Baker is worth really late first at best, certainly wouldn't give up 13 for him.

Graham would cost a list spot . In a deep draft that we should be taking 5- 6 players that is significant

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Will Elijah Hewett ever play football is what I’d like to know

 

[Wooshaaaa]

With list spots at a premium Sheed presents us with a dilemma.

The probable trades of Darling and Barrass plus the delisting of Jones, Trew and Baker has opened up 5 spots.

Then there is just 5 remaining uncontracted players - L Edwards, Rotham, Witherden, Burgiel and Culley. Only Culley has been reported to be in negotiations for a new contract but nothing official has been confirmed

With no other trades out, that leaves a maximum of 10 spots - 9 if Culley gets a new contract. I’d also prefer we keep Burgiel for another year and send him to Doha to get his hammies sorted (McGovern said on ABC Saturday another group was going but didn’t say who)

We should be taking at least 5 draft picks, preferably 6. Bring in Baker and Graham and that’s 7-8 players before the likes of Carroll, Garcia, Parfitt or Robertson are considered

So do we payout Sheed to save a Burgiel or retain Witherden who despite his flaws provided more in 2024 than Sheed. Clearly he’s been hampered by his foot injury that he had operated on recently to fix the problem

Unfortunately we probably don’t know prior to trade week if that’s worked and may not even know by the time the draft rolls around.

So I think he likely gets kept with a decision to be made during preseason as to whether he can contribute for a full season. If he can’t then retire him and find a SSP player as his replacement

Pay him out. He can't get fit enough to offer us anything next season. Too much deconditioning, it would take this preseason, play 20 games and another preseason to get him up to speed (irony). Keep burgeil. Witherden

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[bzparkes]

Still hasn't explained the academys much to us though, wouldn't mind a detailed breakdown

 

[Keys]

Is Burgiel and Witherden an 'or' rather than and 'and'? I would expect we would pay out Sheed and keep Witherden AND Burgiel until we know where we stand with Burgiel's body.

I don’t see us keeping both Burgiel and Witherden unless Sheed retires.

And one might be cut even if Sheed does go

 

[mattyc75]

Can someone tell me why the **** we picked Dom sheed over Cripps when Cripps was getting clearances for East Fremantle up there with Greg Williams?

Cripps was fat and slow
Dom sheed was the ready made inside mid who when coming into our team proved allergic to contact

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[Get_The_Gaff]

Is Burgiel and Witherden an 'or' rather than and 'and'? I would expect we would pay out Sheed and keep Witherden AND Burgiel until we know where we stand with Burgiel's body.

Witherden? He needs to be on the next delist group .

We have far better options than slow hack kick witherden.

 

[Keys]

Witherden? He needs to be on the next delist group .

We have far better options than slow hack kick witherden.

If we don’t land any of our mature aged trade targets or only one, then I can see Witherden being retained as mature depth

May also depend on what the new coach thinks of him

 

[eaglevision]

Cal reporting that Norf have offered their F1 for Dan Houston

5

Dan Houston

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

289.2

4star

D

17.6

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.4

4star

MG

319.9

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

279.8

5star

. Norf could offer Houston as much money as he wants and with Dyson Sharp looming next year Port be absolutely nuts not to take that deal.

Very brief mention of Barrass “Pick 13 plus something extra”, not worth listening to.

 

[THE A5]

Lol imagine getting pick one for Huston. At this point I feel sorry for Norf fans

 

[kerrazy]

Cal reporting that Norf have offered their F1 for Dan Houston. Norf could offer Houston as much money as he wants and with Dyson Sharp looming next year Port be absolutely nuts not to take that deal.

Very brief mention of Barrass “Pick 13 plus something extra”, not worth listening to.

So a 27 year old contracted hbf could potentially be traded for anywhere between pick 1 to 4 in next years draft?

The cost for Barrass is now hawks two 1sts. Nothing going back.

 

[Bender_]

Cal reporting that Norf have offered their F1 for Dan Houston. Norf could offer Houston as much money as he wants and with Dyson Sharp looming next year Port be absolutely nuts not to take that deal.

Very brief mention of Barrass “Pick 13 plus something extra”, not worth listening to.

If accurate that is just plain bonkers.

 

[eaglevision]

So a 27 year old contracted hbf could potentially be traded for anywhere between pick 1 to 4 in next years draft?

The cost for Barrass is now hawks two 1sts. Nothing going back.

They’ve just recruited Hardeman and McKercher, to give up F1 (likely 1-3) for another HBF is just dumb, even for Norf. They will probably look to play him on a wing.

 

[Barrybran]

Witherden? He needs to be on the next delist group .

We have far better options than slow hack kick witherden.

I would like to see others given a crack there first but there is merit to holding onto him for another year as coverage in case Burgiel, Maric, Ginbey, etc. don't work out

 

[Happy Mastenator]

If accurate that is just plain bonkers.

North need to be getting good otherwise LDU and god forbid Sheezel will start getting itchy feet.

If they give up the F1 they'll be hoping they are ~13th rather than ~17th on the ladder.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

With list spots at a premium Sheed presents us with a dilemma.

The probable trades of Darling and Barrass plus the delisting of Jones, Trew and Baker has opened up 5 spots.

Then there is just 5 remaining uncontracted players - L Edwards, Rotham, Witherden, Burgiel and Culley. Only Culley has been reported to be in negotiations for a new contract but nothing official has been confirmed

With no other trades out, that leaves a maximum of 10 spots - 9 if Culley gets a new contract. I’d also prefer we keep Burgiel for another year and send him to Doha to get his hammies sorted (McGovern said on ABC Saturday another group was going but didn’t say who)

We should be taking at least 5 draft picks, preferably 6. Bring in Baker and Graham and that’s 7-8 players before the likes of Carroll, Garcia, Parfitt or Robertson are considered

So do we payout Sheed to save a Burgiel or retain Witherden who despite his flaws provided more in 2024 than Sheed. Clearly he’s been hampered by his foot injury that he had operated on recently to fix the problem

Unfortunately we probably don’t know prior to trade week if that’s worked and may not even know by the time the draft rolls around.

So I think he likely gets kept with a decision to be made during preseason as to whether he can contribute for a full season. If he can’t then retire him and find a SSP player as his replacement

I like the idea. but how?

We are likely to have pick 3, pick 13 and pick 23. Then a late pick for Champion. If we have to give up 23 for Baker, who you said we are bringing in. That leaves us with two picks of any sort of quality + Champion. Where are the other 2 or 3 drafted players coming from? Picks in the 70's? Good luck with that.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Cal reporting that Norf have offered their F1 for Dan Houston. Norf could offer Houston as much money as he wants and with Dyson Sharp looming next year Port be absolutely nuts not to take that deal.

Very brief mention of Barrass “Pick 13 plus something extra”, not worth listening to.

Cal often mentions the main pillar of the deal but glosses over the other parts. Will be interesting to see what Norf expect back or whether it is a straightforward F1 as a stand alone

 

[shooshka]

I would like to see others given a crack there first but there is merit to holding onto him for another year as coverage in case Burgiel, Maric, Ginbey, etc. don't work out

The problem is that he’s just never going to be part of our next push up the ladder.

Speed of ball movement is critical in modern footy, and sadly for Witherden he lacks pace and is a slow decision maker with ball in hand.

As much as he is B22, we need to replace players of his type to improve


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