List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Assuming we get Warner to nominate us I’d be doing everything in our power to try and keep our first round pick likely to be 1-3 there’s some real top shelf midfield talent that would slot in nicely to our young brigade. However think swans will likely be thinking the same and will push to get our frp straight up.

 

[JackOutback]

We had a 1-3 pick in 2022, 23 and 24 (pick 1 only once in that period), why do some people think it will still be a possible first pick in 2025 and 26 with the addition of Warner to the current crop of youth?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I think the new list management has been super aggressive with our list strategy in 2024 which I loved, not all come off but you need to be aggressive in this business to build a list.
Still need to hit the draft as club will have to always build our list, just not as hard in the outer years.
Yes we have a couple of FS/NGA players this year which look like decent players, but C Curtin looks the most list need type of player KDEF and yes 2026 his brother would be a great addition.
Looking at the bigger picture over 2025-26 WC need another 2 elite mids through the draft without trade.
There will be plenty of good young draftees step up in 2-3 years but there will also be 50% that don't make it unfortunately as that's what happens with drafting, that's where I see the big hole which thru smart trading we can fill those list holes in the 23-27yo bracket and surround the younger group with seasoned players.

Chad Warner is the perfect age bracket and fit for WC. He’s gonna look awesome in WC colours!

 

[stallon]

Was it 2018 when McKenzie and Brown went down and we had a smaller more mobile defence? Worked!
The dream would be for Barnett to grab CHB and make it his own.HED has done the Dubai thing so hopefully he had his body right.
Warner is more speed; Reid is more power.
Hewitt could play as a permanent forward if need be.He’s a natural!
Harvey can fill that back pocket need!
Just some random thoughts!

Hewett as a permanent forward would be a huge disappointment. Hes got all the midfield traits to be an A-grader.

 

[flyinghi64]

Don't underestimate the value of success with player retention.
Most clubs that are in the premiership window and are regularly going deep into finals will have players who could go elsewhere for a lot more money but stay with their club for the ultimate success.
If we were playing finals and there abouts then I really don't see Barrass leaving.
The onus is on the club to get on field success quickly to convince the up and coming elite players to want to be a part of the success.
(Hypothetically) It's easy to say Reid could be off to Geelong for 2 mill a year for 10 years because we only offer 1.8 over 6 but if Geelong are bottoming out and heading to the foot of the ladder and we are heading into finals with a young group that is ever improving I say that is a pretty tough decision and probably more tilted in our favor. It comes down to what each individual prioritizes with their career, money or success.

 

[mattyc75]

Was it 2018 when McKenzie and Brown went down and we had a smaller more mobile defence? Worked!
The dream would be for Barnett to grab CHB and make it his own.HED has done the Dubai thing so hopefully he had his body right.
Warner is more speed; Reid is more power.
Hewitt could play as a permanent forward if need be.He’s a natural!
Harvey can fill that back pocket need!
Just some random thoughts!

How do you think Harvey would go on a wing? That's where I'm hoping he ends up

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[WCE777]

Chad Warner is the perfect age bracket and fit for WC. He’s gonna look awesome in WC colours!

110% he would.
Apart from Warner, my analysis of what WC need.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

How do you think Harvey would go on a wing? That's where I'm hoping he ends up

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Not sure of his tank and top end speed .He seems the type to give his all wherever you play him.Has courage and good skills

 

[WCE777]

How do you think Harvey would go on a wing? That's where I'm hoping he ends up

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He looks quick and skilful from what we have seen, also very evasive, could be anywhere from wing to HF and in time be a mid

 

[stallon]

If we were to use our first pick, wherever it ends up alone for Warner I think that would be acceptable. Would be hesitant to offer much more than that.

Leaves that hawks pick for Curtin or something, plus we have our f/s and NGA kids.
Still would leave us missing that silky smooth mover type mid, but would cover the KPD hole

Cant fix everything if we want Warner

 

[stallon]

We had a 1-3 pick in 2022, 23 and 24 (pick 1 only once in that period), why do some people think it will still be a possible first pick in 2025 and 26 with the addition of Warner to the current crop of youth?

There is no chance we get pick 1, I think a very small chance of pick 2 as well in 2025, let alone in the future after that


Some people just love to be pessimistic, we arent the same team of 2022 or 2023, we are a stronger team than 2024 too, and its only going up

 

[WCE777]

Not sure of his tank and top end speed .He seems the type to give his all wherever you play him.Has courage and good skills

He tested exceptional in his draft year in 2k time trial and agility test.
Will take time to build his tank but he does give his all and looks like a perfect wing/HF type with his speed evasiveness and kicking, could transition to midfield later on

 

[kane249]

There is no chance we get pick 1, I think a very small chance of pick 2 as well in 2025, let alone in the future after that


Some people just love to be pessimistic, we arent the same team of 2022 or 2023, we are a stronger team than 2024 too, and its only going up

If we end up below Richmond in 2025, something's gone horribly wrong

 

[Wild Kelly]

Don't underestimate the value of success with player retention.
Most clubs that are in the premiership window and are regularly going deep into finals will have players who could go elsewhere for a lot more money but stay with their club for the ultimate success.
If we were playing finals and there abouts then I really don't see Barrass leaving.
The onus is on the club to get on field success quickly to convince the up and coming elite players to want to be a part of the success.
(Hypothetically) It's easy to say Reid could be off to Geelong for 2 mill a year for 10 years because we only offer 1.8 over 6 but if Geelong are bottoming out and heading to the foot of the ladder and we are heading into finals with a young group that is ever improving I say that is a pretty tough decision and probably more tilted in our favor. It comes down to what each individual prioritizes with their career, money or success.

Barrass left for more money and longer contract.
It will be interesting to see how he goes without having Gov to assist him. Even with Gov he had some bags of goals kicked on him by the likes of Larkey, Curnow etc..regularly.

 

[WCE777]

If we were to use our first pick, wherever it ends up alone for Warner I think that would be acceptable. Would be hesitant to offer much more than that.

Leaves that hawks pick for Curtin or something, plus we have our f/s and NGA kids.
Still would leave us missing that silky smooth mover type mid, but would cover the KPD hole

Cant fix everything if we want Warner

agree, if our first pick is 3-4 that should be enough, if it is 5 we may need to throw in a 3rd round pick.
Absolutely use the hawks pick for Curtin in this scenario.
I would be trading back into this draft with future picks to grab an elite mid.
At this early stage there are about 6-7 academy players tied to clubs in the first round so going to be very compromised. Clubs will be scrambling to get picks in the first round that they don't currently have like SYD(3 1st round)/BRI(1 top 10)/GC(3 first round which they have), COLL(1 1st round)/MEL(1 FS 1st round) just at this stage, so there are heaps of opportunity to trade in and out depending where their picks and players fall.
WC F1st should be on the table in this scenario to get a top 5 pick to pick players like Sharp, Rodriguez.

 

[WCE777]

There is no chance we get pick 1, I think a very small chance of pick 2 as well in 2025, let alone in the future after that


Some people just love to be pessimistic, we arent the same team of 2022 or 2023, we are a stronger team than 2024 too, and its only going up

agree 6-7 wins should leave us at somewhere between 14-16th on the ladder.

 

[stallon]

agree, if our first pick is 3-4 that should be enough, if it is 5 we may need to throw in a 3rd round pick.
Absolutely use the hawks pick for Curtin in this scenario.
I would be trading back into this draft with future picks to grab an elite mid.
At this early stage there are about 6-7 academy players tied to clubs in the first round so going to be very compromised. Clubs will be scrambling to get picks in the first round that they don't currently have like SYD(3 1st round)/BRI(1 top 10)/GC(3 first round which they have), COLL(1 1st round)/MEL(1 FS 1st round) just at this stage, so there are heaps of opportunity to trade in and out depending where their picks and players fall.
WC F1st should be on the table in this scenario to get a top 5 pick to pick players like Sharp, Rodriguez.

I highly doubt we will be able to manufacture a top 5 pick with future picks, those clubs will be trying to stay in the 2025 draft, not trade out of it. They will need the points.

I suspect it will be easier for a top 8 club to get up into the top 5 of the draft than it will be for us to use a future 1st to get there.

 

[WCE777]

I highly doubt we will be able to manufacture a top 5 pick with future picks, those clubs will be trying to stay in the 2025 draft, not trade out of it. They will need the points.

I suspect it will be easier for a top 8 club to get up into the top 5 of the draft than it will be for us to use a future 1st to get there.

maybe but there are several clubs needing to get picks which means they will also have to trade out and back in to get access, depending where their players fall.
Way too early but a player like Rodriguez might end up being top 10 if the academy players keep shining, looks like the Allies squad will be stronger than 2023 U18s side.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Isn't Corey Warner very similar to his brother in playing style? (Quick goal kicking midfielder?)

 

[WCE777]

Isn't Corey Warner very similar to his brother in playing style? (Quick goal kicking midfielder?)

similar but more outside wing/hf, not as in and under as Chad but maybe with time.
Can run all day and won the SYD time trial again recently.

 

[stallon]

maybe but there are several clubs needing to get picks which means they will also have to trade out and back in to get access, depending where their players fall.
Way too early but a player like Rodriguez might end up being top 10 if the academy players keep shining, looks like the Allies squad will be stronger than 2023 U18s side.

Any club that has academy kids will be trading down, not into next year. They just cant get the points.

Richmond wont trade out, North dont have an early pick, Essendon wont trade out(they have ess+melb 1st rounders), Crows wont trade out, GC have a bunch of academy kids they need points for so wont trade out, etc.
Theyll be looking to trade down to gain points.
A lot of clubs will be wanting to trade down for points this year too, meaning they wont get great value for doing so either.

Our best chance is IF a club with a pick in the teens wants to trade out of the 1st round for some reason, like a Sydney or Brisbane who both have academy kids likely before their 1st pick. Maybe GC as they have a few 1st rounders will be happy to move one into the future IF and only IF they can get enough value by splitting picks or by getting more points by other means.
We'd then hypothetically use the hawks 1st + another 2025 1st rounder to trade up, like Carlton did with us.

It wont be like other years, the points system wont allow clubs to keep a heap of extra free points. Then like 2024 clubs will be wanting kids now.

I think another top 5 pick will cost us the hawks 1st + our f1

 

[WCE777]

Any club that has academy kids will be trading down, not into next year. They just cant get the points.

Richmond wont trade out, North dont have an early pick, Essendon wont trade out(they have ess+melb 1st rounders), Crows wont trade out, GC have a bunch of academy kids they need points for so wont trade out, etc.
Theyll be looking to trade down to gain points.
A lot of clubs will be wanting to trade down for points this year too, meaning they wont get great value for doing so either.

Our best chance is IF a club with a pick in the teens wants to trade out of the 1st round for some reason, like a Sydney or Brisbane who both have academy kids likely before their 1st pick. Maybe GC as they have a few 1st rounders will be happy to move one into the future IF and only IF they can get enough value by splitting picks or by getting more points by other means.
We'd then hypothetically use the hawks 1st + another 2025 1st rounder to trade up, like Carlton did with us.

It wont be like other years, the points system wont allow clubs to keep a heap of extra free points. Then like 2024 clubs will be wanting kids now.

I think another top 5 pick will cost us the hawks 1st + our f1

I know the DVI draft points system has changed and academy/FS etc are only 10% discount instead of 20% like it was in 2024.
What are the actual rules regarding academy/FS/NGA players with regard to picking within a certain round or is it totally on points?
I know they changed the AFLW draft in 2024 that you have to pick a player with your next pick in the round you pick them, is this part of AFL draft this year?

 

[briztoon]

Any club that has academy kids will be trading down, not into next year. They just cant get the points.

Richmond wont trade out, North dont have an early pick, Essendon wont trade out(they have ess+melb 1st rounders), Crows wont trade out, GC have a bunch of academy kids they need points for so wont trade out, etc.
Theyll be looking to trade down to gain points.
A lot of clubs will be wanting to trade down for points this year too, meaning they wont get great value for doing so either.

Our best chance is IF a club with a pick in the teens wants to trade out of the 1st round for some reason, like a Sydney or Brisbane who both have academy kids likely before their 1st pick. Maybe GC as they have a few 1st rounders will be happy to move one into the future IF and only IF they can get enough value by splitting picks or by getting more points by other means.
We'd then hypothetically use the hawks 1st + another 2025 1st rounder to trade up, like Carlton did with us.

It wont be like other years, the points system wont allow clubs to keep a heap of extra free points. Then like 2024 clubs will be wanting kids now.

I think another top 5 pick will cost us the hawks 1st + our f1

You can see it’s going to be expensive to trade up now.

Using 2024’s ladder, you have picks 22 and 30. That might get you up to Gold Coast’s pick 17.

Not many teams are going to have the picks to trade up significantly, and not many teams are going to want to give up such picks just to move up small distance.

 

[WCE777]

You can see it’s going to be expensive to trade up now.

Using 2024’s ladder, you have picks 22 and 30. That might get you up to Gold Coast’s pick 17.

Not many teams are going to have the picks to trade up significantly, and not many teams are going to want to give up such picks just to move up small distance.

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Any club that has academy kids will be trading down, not into next year. They just cant get the points.

Richmond wont trade out, North dont have an early pick, Essendon wont trade out(they have ess+melb 1st rounders), Crows wont trade out, GC have a bunch of academy kids they need points for so wont trade out, etc.
Theyll be looking to trade down to gain points.
A lot of clubs will be wanting to trade down for points this year too, meaning they wont get great value for doing so either.

Our best chance is IF a club with a pick in the teens wants to trade out of the 1st round for some reason, like a Sydney or Brisbane who both have academy kids likely before their 1st pick. Maybe GC as they have a few 1st rounders will be happy to move one into the future IF and only IF they can get enough value by splitting picks or by getting more points by other means.
We'd then hypothetically use the hawks 1st + another 2025 1st rounder to trade up, like Carlton did with us.

It wont be like other years, the points system wont allow clubs to keep a heap of extra free points. Then like 2024 clubs will be wanting kids now.

I think another top 5 pick will cost us the hawks 1st + our f1

your correct
More the reason a Chad trade is Hawks 1st and WC F1st.

 

[WCE777]

Any club that has academy kids will be trading down, not into next year. They just cant get the points.

Richmond wont trade out, North dont have an early pick, Essendon wont trade out(they have ess+melb 1st rounders), Crows wont trade out, GC have a bunch of academy kids they need points for so wont trade out, etc.
Theyll be looking to trade down to gain points.
A lot of clubs will be wanting to trade down for points this year too, meaning they wont get great value for doing so either.

Our best chance is IF a club with a pick in the teens wants to trade out of the 1st round for some reason, like a Sydney or Brisbane who both have academy kids likely before their 1st pick. Maybe GC as they have a few 1st rounders will be happy to move one into the future IF and only IF they can get enough value by splitting picks or by getting more points by other means.
We'd then hypothetically use the hawks 1st + another 2025 1st rounder to trade up, like Carlton did with us.

It wont be like other years, the points system wont allow clubs to keep a heap of extra free points. Then like 2024 clubs will be wanting kids now.

I think another top 5 pick will cost us the hawks 1st + our f1

your correct.
More reason the Chad deal is hawks 1st and WC F1st.