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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[ThePuma #9]

I remember Judd having a bit to say about compo for west coast when he left. It was important to him that we were compensated well iirc.

Not well enough for pick 1 though so you know……not sure players have that much say.

 

[its_dave]

St Kilda offer pick 8 for Tom Barrass

37

Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

?

 

[new breed]

St Kilda offer pick 8 for Tom Barrass?

Barrass and Ross Lyon don't seem a great mix ....

 

[Bender_]

Where are we getting 14 from?

We're not, those of us who are growing dumber by the hour by keeping up with this thread have seen others making the same mistake a couple of times by assuming we already have 14 before trading Barrass out. I'm just being my normal clown self and carrying on with it.

 

[bzparkes]

We're not, those of us who are growing dumber by the hour by keeping up with this thread have seen others making the same mistake a couple of times by assuming we already have 14 before trading Barrass out. I'm just being my normal clown self and carrying on with it.

14 and 23 are gonna go real hard in this draft

 

[ThePuma #9]

A lot of you guys need to chill.

This trade between Carlton and Hawthorn is good for everyone.

Eagles want a 1st and 2nd and hawks don't want to pay that. They want to keep a 2nd next year.

Mackenzie has cleverly unlocked an extra 2nd so now we can satisfy Clark with a 1st and 2nd while keeping a 2nd next year

The only difference is that the Eagles get a F1 instead of 14. But that strengthens the possibility of getting Warner next year anyway.

Everyone wins here.

Next years draft will be the most compromised in AFL history so no. Everyone does not win here.

Pick 14 wasn’t going to unlock just Baker for us. The future firsts don’t hold the same capitol. Good on you, you held your ground but so did we and we’re not the one approaching and offering 5 year deals to contracted opposition players.

Go get us what is fair or dont. We’re more than happy to welcome Tom back.

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

The upset isn't because of public club comments, or lack thereof (apart from some dumbass reactions to Clarke's innocuous press conference remarks), it's a preemptive reaction to the trades we're being told are actually going to go down. Just rumours, yes, but being delivered authoritatively and repeatedly and hence taken at face value. I'd love nothing more than for them to be proven false and my outrage unnecessary and silly.

Got your wish then.

 

[TY24]

A lot of you guys need to chill.

This trade between Carlton and Hawthorn is good for everyone.

Eagles want a 1st and 2nd and hawks don't want to pay that. They want to keep a 2nd next year.

Mackenzie has cleverly unlocked an extra 2nd so now we can satisfy Clark with a 1st and 2nd while keeping a 2nd next year

The only difference is that the Eagles get a F1 instead of 14. But that strengthens the possibility of getting Warner next year anyway.

Everyone wins here.

That's a very big difference and if it becomes F1+F2 then I'm not sure it'll get it done.

No extra picks in this years draft isn't very appealing.

The Hawks win here because its a worse offer than the one we've already rejected.

 

[shooshka]

One of them suggested that they trade Hawthorn's F1st and Carlton's F1st for Barrass and our pick 26 (currently), which would be absolutely ridiculous as it would mean that this season we'd be left with pick 3 and then pick 63 as our 2nd pick which is exactly the opposite of what Clarke indicated he wanted to achieve.
Future picks are worth less. It should now be Hawthorn's F1st and Carlton's F1st for Barrass.

So Hawks wanted to pay 14, then estimated future picks trade of their 32 (ish) for our 40 (ish). Noting both those future picks would be pushed back by academy picks.

That is rubbish for TB. If we weren’t expected to send a F3 back it would be an ‘unders but accepted at last minute’ option.

Hawks probably unlikely to offer 2x F1 (I.e 14 + Hawks F1 for TB + Carlton F2 net to them).

I don’t think us sending our F2 back for 2x F1 is a good deal (probably worse than the aforementioned 14 + future swap deal).

I wonder if we can find a way to do something with the swans (around Hawks or Carl F1). Apparently they are OK with moving 19 to the future, would they swap 19 + F2 for haw/car F1 (assume they would want their choice of which one) plus our F3 (their F2 to our F3 should be like 8 spots or less).

We get F1 (whichever one the swans didn’t choose), 19 (on trade for Baker), give TB + F3

Swans get F1 + WC F3, give 19 + F2

Hawks get TB + swans F2, give F1 + Carl F1 (plus bank Carl F2 from trading out 14… so end up with 3 x late-ish F2’s).


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[swingdog]

I'm sure it's not, but if this is the beginning of clubs starting to play hardball with players and re-bal;ance the power a bit, this could be a good outcome.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Where did we say we'd accept a 1st and a 2nd?

 

[Mr Q]

So let me see if I can get this AFL media thing right:

• The Eagles are shit for not bending over backward to take an uncontracted player that only nominated West Coast as a preferred destination a week or so ago.
• Hawthorn are not shit despite wining and dining a contracted player (and club VC) for months to move across the country, getting him to agree weeks ago and virtually pack up to move, say goodbye to his teammates at the B&F etc - and then pulling the rug out from under him?

 

[Spooky17]

It’s gotta be Hawthorn’s two future firsts for Barrass and our future second. Anything less and it’s vomit worthy. Even that is a poor return but tolerable.

 

[Mattman93]

Got your wish then.

Lol. I was definitely doing my bit for team wet sheets yesterday wasn't I.

Although, as I've just said, the exact same proposals could eventuate, just with Carlton F1 in place of 14.

So I nonetheless reserve full melting rights.

 

[bzparkes]

It’s gotta be Hawthorn’s two future firsts for Barrass and our future second. Anything less and it’s vomit worthy. Even that is a poor return but tolerable.

Then trade them for GC's pick 6 to really screw Richmond over.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

With the rules around taking first rounders in a two year span, we wouldn’t be able to get the two F1s would we?

 

[NYJetsfor2029]

It's two first rounders over a four year span right?

 

[archiemoses]

Which one is it? Big difference between F1 and F2. We would be stupid to have turned down 12 and F1

Would you trade pick 3 for 12 and potentially 15-18 in 2025?

Garbage deal

 

[bzparkes]

It's two first rounders over a four year span right?

Yeah, I believe so.

 

[Mop]

I still don't think Hawthorn have nuked this trade, I just think the media aren't getting leaks and can't read the tarot cards are clutching at straws.

 

[briztoon]

With the rules around taking first rounders in a two year span, we wouldn’t be to get the two F1s would we?

2 in 4, with it rolling over.

You’re technically covered for the next two drafts.

 

[Grahame]

If TB and Hawthorn aren’t an item does mean we can talk to the other nine bachelors?

 

[Elite Pete]

That’s gross

Don’t even get an extra pick in this super draft and give our F2…

That could end up being 14 and 17 for TB and 22

Also, we don’t want to be armed with several firsts for Warner, Sydney will ask for them all

Either way if TB goes the majority of what comes in will be going out.

Should be pushing for Hawks F1 and 33 but don’t we get it. Ain’t getting both future 1sts.

The advantage we have right now is the Hawks fans believe they are right there. Imagine walking about post trade period and the only big in is and overpaid Battle.

Perryman missed out on
Smith likely missed out on.
TB missed out on
Traded out of the ‘super draft’

 

[Barrybran]

I think the deal will be
Hawks F1 + Blues F1
For
TB and F2.

Issue is which one do we keep out of Hawks or Blues? Who is likely to finish lower?

Flip both to Gold Coast for 13 + 23 and offer Richmond 23

 

[shooshka]

It’s gotta be Hawthorn’s two future firsts for Barrass and our future second. Anything less and it’s vomit worthy. Even that is a poor return but tolerable.

Not our F2, a F2.

They want to play games so can we. Should be able to find a later F2 (from a contender) somewhat cheap. Ours is much more valuable on paper.

2x late F1st’s in a super compromised draft, for a late F2nd and TB is still a very good deal for the Hawks (and nets them 2x extra F2 than our original ask).


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