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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[JackOutback]

Warner is worth more than Taranto and will be moving at a younger age than Taranto. Reckon a gun midfielder is also worth more than a cherry on top forward/mid like Bolton, though the contracted status changes things.

 

[WCE_phil]

A lot comes down to Warner's year and the swans year for that matter. New head coach could change everything.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Tom Cole looked like he was going to have a great career and become one of the premier smaller defenders back in 2018 when he played in a premiership.

Unfortunately I don't think his performances in the years since have been much to get excited for... and I would argue he would have been dropped a lot earlier if he wasn't one of Simmo's favourites.

I would be happy to see him played on a wing or even on ball to see what he can bring but I can't see him being picked in the backline ahead of Hough, Ginbey, Duggan, Hunt and Baker.

Throw him in the guts in the Beagles with Sheed and have those blokes lead the young lads to a few more wins in 2025.

As long as we are not matching a ridiculous FA offer for cole I have no problem giving him 2-3 years on reasonable money .

Works hard , has good pace and agility , good disposal, hard nut who sticks tackles .

Lock down defender isn't a glamorous position and you usually up against it especially with our inside 50 differential .

As I have said before I would rather use Baker and hough for more attacking jobs, ginbey and bo Allen play bigger not smaller , cole is perfect for sacrificing his game to stop others .

Hough especially has so much talent and potential to play further up the ground much like yeo who also started his career as a lockdown small defender

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Warner is worth more than Taranto and will be moving at a younger age than Taranto. Reckon a gun midfielder is also worth more than a cherry on top forward/mid like Bolton, though the contracted status changes things.

Taranto was GWS best and fairest 2019 their GF year and both he and warner would have spent 6 years at their club before being traded so warner would be 4 months younger when traded

 

[eaglevision]

Warner is not worth more than a contracted Bolton.

Taronto is pretty close to warner as a player leaving .

Both warner and taranto leaving at the same age and both leaving NSW teams , both in the top couple of midfielders in their team stacked with talent .

Taranto went for 12 + 19

Luke Jackson went for 13 + f1 + f2 the f1 and f2 would have been assumed at 13 and 33 the following year .

Rankin went for pick 5 .

If the hawks pick is top 10 I would rather use that than our pick 3ish.

There is no rule that we have to trade our higher pick .

Top 10 pick + our f1 which would be top 5 for warner + f1 Sydney

So that's a top 10 pick + future top 5 pick
For warner + future teens pick

If we did have to use our top 3 pick that would be it nothing more

Obviously I’d want to pay as little as possible for him and appreciate your logic with the other trades you’ve mentioned but I do think you’re undervaluing Warner. You’d think being OOC would mean we pay less but recent trades for Kelly, Brockman and Baker would suggest otherwise when it comes to us. Let’s say finishing positions are the same, pick 3 for the last 25 years has bought:

Of that list only Judd and Dusty are unarguably better players which would suggest it’s very unlikely that we’re going to get a better player than Warner at 3. He’ll be a 24 year old 100 gamer coming into what should be the best 150 games of his career and also removes the need for 6 years of development into the exact age bracket we lack.

To date I want Curtin and Lindsay as a priority this year so I’m not prepared to trade pick 13 which is likely to get Curtin. Honestly as much as some won’t like it I think the trade would end up being pick 3 and our F1 for pick 17, Warner Bros and possibly Sheldrick. Use pick 17 on Lindsay and I’d be happy to make that trade. If not I’m happy to keep pick 3 and take Fred, Greeves or possibly Duursma.

 

[pantskyle]

Alternatively we finish bottom and threaten the PSD. Profit on that.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Obviously I’d want to pay as little as possible for him and appreciate your logic with the other trades you’ve mentioned but I do think you’re undervaluing Warner. You’d think being OOC would mean we pay less but recent trades for Kelly, Brockman and Baker would suggest otherwise when it comes to us. Let’s say finishing positions are the same, pick 3 for the last 25 years has bought:
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Of that list only Judd and Dusty are unarguably better players which would suggest it’s very unlikely that we’re going to get a better player than Warner at 3. He’ll be a 24 year old 100 gamer coming into what should be the best 150 games of his career and also removes the need for 6 years of development into the exact age bracket we lack.

To date I want Curtin and Lindsay as a priority this year so I’m not prepared to trade pick 13 which is likely to get Curtin. Honestly as much as some won’t like it I think the trade would end up being pick 3 and our F1 for pick 17, Warner Bros and possibly Sheldrick. Use pick 17 on Lindsay and I’d be happy to make that trade. If not I’m happy to keep pick 3 and take Fred, Greeves or possibly Duursma.

Pick 3 and our future 1st is way overs imo

It all depends on where hawks finish.

If hawks make finals no doubt our 1st rounder would have to be part of the trade. But if hawks 1st ends up being 7 or 8 it is a very good current year pick .

Just because we pay overs in the past doesn't mean we have to do it again .

 

[JackOutback]

Pick 3 and our future 1st is way overs imo

It all depends on where hawks finish.

If hawks make finals no doubt our 1st rounder would have to be part of the trade. But if hawks 1st ends up being 7 or 8 it is a very good current year pick .

Just because we pay overs in the past doesn't mean we have to do it again .

His suggestion includes pick 17 and another player coming back.

 

[WCE777]

Warner is not worth more than a contracted Bolton.

Taronto is pretty close to warner as a player leaving .

Both warner and taranto leaving at the same age and both leaving NSW teams , both in the top couple of midfielders in their team stacked with talent .

Taranto went for 12 + 19

Luke Jackson went for 13 + f1 + f2 the f1 and f2 would have been assumed at 13 and 33 the following year .

Rankin went for pick 5 .

If the hawks pick is top 10 I would rather use that than our pick 3ish.

There is no rule that we have to trade our higher pick .

Top 10 pick + our f1 which would be top 5 for warner + f1 Sydney

So that's a top 10 pick + future top 5 pick
For warner + future teens pick

If we did have to use our top 3 pick that would be it nothing more

like your analysis 100%, represents true value and recent comparisons.

 

[eaglevision]

Pick 3 and our future 1st is way overs imo

It all depends on where hawks finish.

If hawks make finals no doubt our 1st rounder would have to be part of the trade. But if hawks 1st ends up being 7 or 8 it is a very good current year pick .

Just because we pay overs in the past doesn't mean we have to do it again .

Hang on a minute, I didn’t suggest pick 3 and F1 in isolation I suggested we get more players back as well as pick 17 for Josh Lindsay so essentially:

OUT: Pick 3, F1

IN: Warner, Warner, Sheldrick, Lindsay

Link to Lindsay’s BOG futures game for those interested:


Hawks pick I have earmarked for Curtin but obviously could (theoretically) end up anywhere from pick 1 to 30 based on the last two years.

I don’t want to pay overs but we’ve shown for a long time we’re prepared to meet the asking price for players and I don’t expect that to change significantly this year.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Hang on a minute, I didn’t suggest pick 3 and F1 in isolation I suggested we get more players back as well as pick 17 for Josh Lindsay so essentially:

OUT: Pick 3, F1

IN: Warner, Warner, Sheldrick, Lindsay

Link to Lindsay’s BOG futures game for those interested:


Hawks pick I have earmarked for Curtin but obviously could (theoretically) end up anywhere from pick 1 to 30 based on the last two years.

I don’t want to pay overs but we’ve shown for a long time we’re prepared to meet the asking price for players and I don’t expect that to change significantly this year.

You put up corey warner and sheldrik.

Corey warner I don't think has any value and sheldrik will stay if chad goes and do we really need sheldrik ?

We have picked up 3 inside mids in hall , gross and grego in the last 2 off seasons .

Pick 17 would be nice but I would rather have a first rounder next off season .

Perfect result for us IMO is hawks go backwards and finished 12th

Pick 7 + f1wce for warner + f1syd

Package up our 2nds and 3rd for one GC 1sts . We should be in the box seat for at least 1 of those say pick 14

Pick 3 Rodriguez
Pick 14 Curtin
F/s banfield
NGA walley
DFA corey warner

Then target Daniel Curtin with Sydney's f1 in 2026

 

[ZergMinion]

Just because we pay overs in the past doesn't mean we have to do it again .

We say this every year and every year we pay overs.

We'll pay overs for Warner.

 

[eaglevision]

You put up corey warner and sheldrik.

Corey warner I don't think has any value and sheldrik will stay if chad goes and do we really need sheldrik ?

We have picked up 3 inside mids in hall , gross and grego in the last 2 off seasons .

Pick 17 would be nice but I would rather have a first rounder next off season .

Perfect result for us IMO is hawks go backwards and finished 12th

Pick 7 + f1wce for warner + f1syd

Package up our 2nds and 3rd for one GC 1sts . We should be in the box seat for at least 1 of those say pick 14

Pick 3 Rodriguez
Pick 14 Curtin
F/s banfield
NGA walley
DFA corey warner

Then target Daniel Curtin with Sydney's f1 in 2026

I did, they both hold little trade value I agree but as sad as it is both would probably be best 22 in our side at the moment. Sheldrick in particular has a game style that we’re clearly drafting for. The more important point is the pick 17, Lindsay is a gun and so are a number of other kids around that range.

I’d rather your deal obviously but don’t think the Swans accept that. Imagine a team coming after Harley but saying their best pick isn’t on the table. We’ll also need our later picks for matching bids and the shit pile of late picks isn’t as attractive for GCS this year with the change in DVI so I don’t know how we get Curtin without the Hawks 1R. Getting Curtin jnr would likely increase the chances of getting Curtin snr too.

Don’t forget Evans as a Cat B (hopefully).

 

[ZergMinion]

I did, they both hold little trade value I agree but as sad as it is both would probably be best 22 in our side at the moment. Sheldrick in particular has a game style that we’re clearly drafting for. The more important point is the pick 17, Lindsay is a gun and so are a number of other kids around that range.

I’d rather your deal obviously but don’t think the Swans accept that. Imagine a team coming after Harley but saying their best pick isn’t on the table. We’ll also need our later picks for matching bids and the shit pile of late picks isn’t as attractive for GCS this year with the change in DVI so I don’t know how we get Curtin without the Hawks 1R. Getting Curtin jnr would likely increase the chances of getting Curtin snr too.

Don’t forget Evans as a Cat B (hopefully).

A team came for Judd and their best pick wasn't on the table. They got him too.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I did, they both hold little trade value I agree but as sad as it is both would probably be best 22 in our side at the moment. Sheldrick in particular has a game style that we’re clearly drafting for. The more important point is the pick 17, Lindsay is a gun and so are a number of other kids around that range.

I’d rather your deal obviously but don’t think the Swans accept that. Imagine a team coming after Harley but saying their best pick isn’t on the table. We’ll also need our later picks for matching bids and the shit pile of late picks isn’t as attractive for GCS this year with the change in DVI so I don’t know how we get Curtin without the Hawks 1R. Getting Curtin jnr would likely increase the chances of getting Curtin snr too.

Don’t forget Evans as a Cat B (hopefully).

I have heard multiple things about Evans that make me think he is not worth risking more than a cat B spot .

 

[WCE777]

You put up corey warner and sheldrik.

Corey warner I don't think has any value and sheldrik will stay if chad goes and do we really need sheldrik ?

We have picked up 3 inside mids in hall , gross and grego in the last 2 off seasons .

Pick 17 would be nice but I would rather have a first rounder next off season .

Perfect result for us IMO is hawks go backwards and finished 12th

Pick 7 + f1wce for warner + f1syd

Package up our 2nds and 3rd for one GC 1sts . We should be in the box seat for at least 1 of those say pick 14

Pick 3 Rodriguez
Pick 14 Curtin
F/s banfield
NGA wall
DFA corey warner

Then target Daniel Curtin with Sydney's f1 in 2026

Cory probably has a 4th round value in a deal with Chad, seems at his stage to be top 25 player at Sydney with being starting sub several times.
Would be a Petch type in WC side, Petch would be traded as RFA to give band 3-4 comp, that's why a slightly over deal would be considered reasonable, also give draft capital for FS & NGA picks.
Sheldrick your analysis is correct, if he comes as part of a package which I doubt he is a WAFL player until he overcomes injuries?
100% on the rest of your analysis, love the D Curtin trade

 

[eaglevision]

A team came for Judd and their best pick wasn't on the table. They got him too.

They did, but Carlton were able to give pick 3 and Kennedy (previous pick 4) instead of pick 1 which worked out quite well for us.

I have heard multiple things about Evans that make me think he is not worth risking more than a cat B spot .

I have heard things that may be similar which is why I think he’ll slide to Cat B despite being in the academy squad.

 

[WCE777]

They did, but Carlton were able to give pick 3 and Kennedy (previous pick 4) instead of pick 1 which worked out quite well for us.

I have heard things that may be similar which is why I think he’ll slide to Cat B despite being in the academy squad.

If Evans is higher risk where do others see J Caton?

 

[ArdentEagle]

Evans - Party boy or Pooch lover? (Or worse?)

 

[briztoon]

Warner is not worth more than a contracted Bolton.

Taronto is pretty close to warner as a player leaving .

Both warner and taranto leaving at the same age and both leaving NSW teams , both in the top couple of midfielders in their team stacked with talent .

Taranto went for 12 + 19

Luke Jackson went for 13 + f1 + f2 the f1 and f2 would have been assumed at 13 and 33 the following year .

Rankin went for pick 5 .

If the hawks pick is top 10 I would rather use that than our pick 3ish.

There is no rule that we have to trade our higher pick .

Top 10 pick + our f1 which would be top 5 for warner + f1 Sydney

So that's a top 10 pick + future top 5 pick
For warner + future teens pick

If we did have to use our top 3 pick that would be it nothing more

I believe Warner is a significantly better player than Taranto.

Warner is faster, a better kick, and a better goal scorer. Taranto is better at winning the ball at the coal face, but doesn’t have Warners pace through the contest.

In purely structural terms, Warner should have more value to a team than Bolton.

Bolton is a very good player, but he benefits more from other players hard work.

 

[briztoon]

Obviously I’d want to pay as little as possible for him and appreciate your logic with the other trades you’ve mentioned but I do think you’re undervaluing Warner. You’d think being OOC would mean we pay less but recent trades for Kelly, Brockman and Baker would suggest otherwise when it comes to us. Let’s say finishing positions are the same, pick 3 for the last 25 years has bought:
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Of that list only Judd and Dusty are unarguably better players which would suggest it’s very unlikely that we’re going to get a better player than Warner at 3. He’ll be a 24 year old 100 gamer coming into what should be the best 150 games of his career and also removes the need for 6 years of development into the exact age bracket we lack.

To date I want Curtin and Lindsay as a priority this year so I’m not prepared to trade pick 13 which is likely to get Curtin. Honestly as much as some won’t like it I think the trade would end up being pick 3 and our F1 for pick 17, Warner Bros and possibly Sheldrick. Use pick 17 on Lindsay and I’d be happy to make that trade. If not I’m happy to keep pick 3 and take Fred, Greeves or possibly Duursma.

I agree with pretty much everything you say, except for the trade price you suggest.

Just my view, I believe Warner’s value is somewhat closer to Get_The_Gaff suggested trade, if the Hawks don’t make the top 8.

 

[eaglevision]

I agree with pretty much everything you say, except for the trade price you suggest.

Just my view, I believe Warner’s value is somewhat closer to Get_The_Gaff suggested trade, if the Hawks don’t make the top 8.

Hopefully I’m pleasantly surprised, but I don’t think I will be.

 

[random260]

I'm just going to say. Had we picked up Sid Draper we wouldn't have to be stressing about picking Fred Rodriguez.

We could be putting Fred R in the rear view mirror.

But a known quantity in chad warner is always better then unknown

 

[briztoon]

Hopefully I’m pleasantly surprised, but I don’t think I will be.

Two probable top 5 picks is a lot to pay, even with a later first round pick coming back.

If your first round pick this year is pick 3, I believe that in itself should be enough for Warner. Maybe a future second round pick thrown in.

I’d also wait to see where Sydney finish this year. I can see them finishing in the 5th to 8th range this year, maybe even potentially missing the 8.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Evans - Party boy or Pooch lover? (Or worse?)

Not either but probably shouldn't discuss it on a public forum