List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
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  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
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  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Jez1974]

Did you miss the entire week? Clarke is on record saying we think he’s worth an early teens pick…but to late for that

Worth 20 odd

 

[ronpingwins]

Sorry for the intruding guys but Carlton won’t get pick 3. We’ve got so much draft capital we’ll get you guys a better deal.

I’d personally give 10+11 (If we get for Bolton from Freo) for 3. If that’s not enough some junk pick later is fine with me.

Not sure what your thoughts are on that?

Don’t want to slide further than 6. Maybe to the Saints picks. Jay Clark deal is lightyears off.

 

[eaglevision]

Sorry for the intruding guys but Carlton won’t get pick 3. We’ve got so much draft capital we’ll get you guys a better deal.

I’d personally give 10+11 (If we get for Bolton from Freo) for 3. If that’s not enough some junk pick later is fine with me.

Not sure what your thoughts are on that?

Categoric no.

6 and 10 for 3 and you can keep Baker is about as close as I would come to agreeing but you haven’t got either of those picks yet.

 

[DorothyG]

Did you miss the entire week? Clarke is on record saying we think he’s worth an early teens pick…but to late for that

Mate, most level headed folks on here suggested to not read into anything Clarke said in that interview earlier in the week, as in he was never going to give out the clubs actual inner thoughts publicly.

It's looking more and more that WC do not valve Baker at 14.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Categoric no.

6 and 10 for 3 and you can keep Baker is about as close as I would come to agreeing but you haven’t got either of those picks yet.

Hmm fair, my preferred deal is 10 + Baker or at worst 6 + Baker for 3. I don’t think that’s happening though.

 

[stavro#4]

Interestingly, I floated Barrass for 8 on the Saints board and the reaction was overwhelmingly negative.

There is no world where we are giving up either pick for Tom Barrass. A player older than Battle and we don’t see ourselves in contention.

By the same token we won’t be trading both 7+8 to move up to 3.

Not in this draft. The top end talent isn’t significantly better to warrant doing so. We will be able to land some really good players at those picks. As good as what’s probably at 3.

I’m not being arrogant here. But trying to provide some realistic opposition view to the multiple posts I’ve seen about sending Barrass to us or packing both picks to go up. It just won’t Happen.

We are keen on grabbing Essendons pick 9. We want more talent. Not Less.

 

[Godfather32]

There is no world where we are giving up either pick for Tom Barrass. A player older than Battle and we don’t see ourselves in contention.

By the same token we won’t be trading both 7+8 to move up to 3.

Not in this draft. The top end talent isn’t significantly better to warrant doing so. We will be able to land some really good players at those picks. As good as what’s probably at 3.

I’m not being arrogant here. But trying to provide some realistic opposition view to the multiple posts I’ve seen about sending Barrass to us or packing both picks to go up. It just won’t Happen.

We are keen on grabbing Essendons pick 9. We want more talent. Not Less.

Agree with you, I'd love to get 7&8 off you somehow but there's no incentive for you. You're just as likely to get as good a players at those picks as pick 3 in this draft.
And Barrass has the most value to a team in their premiership window for the next few years, no offense but that's not you (or us anytime soon)

 

[Bender_]

So, (theoretically), we could've traded Barrass for 14 from Hawks. Leaving us with 3 & 14. We could've then traded 14 for Baker. So in the end 3 & Baker. We said no.

Instead, the media thinks we could trade 3 for 12 & 14 with Carlton, then use 14 for Baker. Leaving us with 12 and Baker (But still Barrass).

On what planet do the media (and possibly the Victorian clubs too) think we would deliberately weaken our list and/or our draft hand to accommodate moves for their clubs? Do they honestly believe that everyone outside of their little Victorian bubble is so dull and naive that they'd make these poor decisions that are so clearly weighted in the Vic clubs favour, or is it purely a ratings thing?

A fair trade should leave both sides of the negotiations feeling a bit unsatisfied, not one making off like bandits whilst the other walks home with drool on their chin and a fist full of magic beans. I can only assume that the average Vic punter that gobbles up their footy media is thick as pig shit for listening to these guys.

 

[Bender_]

There is no world where we are giving up either pick for Tom Barrass. A player older than Battle and we don’t see ourselves in contention.

By the same token we won’t be trading both 7+8 to move up to 3.

Not in this draft. The top end talent isn’t significantly better to warrant doing so. We will be able to land some really good players at those picks. As good as what’s probably at 3.

I’m not being arrogant here. But trying to provide some realistic opposition view to the multiple posts I’ve seen about sending Barrass to us or packing both picks to go up. It just won’t Happen.

We are keen on grabbing Essendons pick 9. We want more talent. Not Less.

Yeah us saying we could prise 7 & 8 from you is like saying Carlton can get 3 from us for 12 & 14. Just fanciful stuff really.

 

[DorothyG]

So after a quick scroll over on the Facebook this morning (and bleaching my eyes afterwards), there is this weird vibe that WC have cooked this and we are left with nothing (thanks Ralph, Morris et al.).

Apparently we have lost pick 14, which we never had to start with, so no loss
And we lost Baker, a dime and dozen player, a guy who only made his decision to choose WC after we appointed his ex coach (a guy WC probably haven't been frothing over and wooing during the season al la Hawks and Barrass).
And we still, currently, have a AA key back still on the books.

We are exactly where we have always been. I just can't work this line of thinking out.
As it stands, the only one who has lost is Baker. He's burnt his bridge with Richmond, WC have shown they don't rate him as highly as he rates himself and he may end up at his non prefered club (doubtful).

 

[Ghossein]

Do they honestly believe that everyone outside of their little Victorian bubble is so dull and naive that they'd make these poor decisions that are so clearly weighted in the Vic clubs favour

 

[stavro#4]

Agree with you, I'd love to get 7&8 off you somehow but there's no incentive for you. You're just as likely to get as good a players at those picks as pick 3 in this draft.

I feel for you guys as a supporter base. Most years #3 would get you a kings ransom. But inside this top 10 - clubs won’t package those picks to go further.

Maybe it’s worthwhile to try get 6+10 for 3? ( Is that possible?) and it seems you’ll get F1s for Barrass, so use one for Baker?

 

[Godfather32]

I'm glad we've held our ground on both trades, Barrass has 3 years left on his contract. It's not like a McCarthy situation where he can just sit out a year, if he wants to play in Victoria he needs to find a team willing to trade something decent for him.
And I really hope Baker just ends up down the road at the purple campaigners

 

[eaglevision]

I feel for you guys as a supporter base. Most years #3 would get you a kings ransom. But inside this top 10 - clubs won’t package those picks to go further.

Maybe it’s worthwhile to try get 6+10 for 3? ( Is that possible?) and it seems you’ll get F1s for Barrass, so use one for Baker?

Baker is persona non grata/excommunicado for 90% of this board.

Like Saints paying pick 8 for a 29yo KPD is ridiculous, us paying any kind of 1R currency for a soon 27yo role player who is one year away from free agency is absurd. I wouldn’t even trade pick 26 for him. Not even close.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Mate, most level headed folks on here suggested to not read into anything Clarke said in that interview earlier in the week, as in he was never going to give out the clubs actual inner thoughts publicly.

It's looking more and more that WC do not valve Baker at 14.

That’s a really weird way of negotiating then, stating a player is worth “more” than what the club actually thinks

Most on here have lambasted Clarke for talking the way he did,
Not to not read in to it

And your last sentence makes no sentence. If we had got pick 14 of the Hawks for TB, I have no doubt we would have sent it on to Richmond for Baker

 

[Godfather32]

I feel for you guys as a supporter base. Most years #3 would get you a kings ransom. But inside this top 10 - clubs won’t package those picks to go further.

Maybe it’s worthwhile to try get 6+10 for 3? ( Is that possible?) and it seems you’ll get F1s for Barrass, so use one for Baker?

I'd do that trade, not sure Richmond would (if they do end up with those picks). The bullshit part is our second rounder getting pushed back so far last this and this year, makes it very hard to rebuild properly when you only have one decent pick to do anything with.
I'm really not keen on Baker for anything more than our second rounder either this year or next. I think it's similar to Barrass for you, he's the kind of guy you look to bring in when you're in contention, not when you're trying to rebuild from the bottom of the ladder.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Worth 20 odd

14 would likely have gotten close to that

Our 2nd round or F2 should be the only picks up for grabs

 

[stavro#4]

Baker is persona non grata/excommunicado for 90% of this board.

Like Saints paying pick 8 for a 29yo KPD is ridiculous, us paying any kind of 1R currency for a soon 27yo role player who is one year away from free agency is absurd. I wouldn’t even trade pick 26 for him. Not even close.

I'd do that trade, not sure Richmond would (if they do end up with those picks). The bullshit part is our second rounder getting pushed back so far last this and this year, makes it very hard to rebuild properly when you only have one decent pick to do anything with.
I'm really not keen on Baker for anything more than our second rounder either this year or next. I think it's similar to Barrass for you, he's the kind of guy you look to bring in when you're in contention, not when you're trying to rebuild from the bottom of the ladder.

Well hold on.

I’m saying you use that F1 from Barrass on Baker. Which would be a teens pick maybe early 20s next year with how compromised that draft is looking.

You push for 6+10 for 3 and maybe a F2?

You get a gun at 6 and Allan at 10

 

[mattyc75]

Getting mixed messages here

Tom flog Morris says were loading up on picks for next year. Which contradicts earlier reports we wanted more picks/selection in this year's draft.

This year's draft is the even one everyone is frothing over and think you can find a gun at pick 30.

So why are we apparently now preferring next year's compromised piece of shit draft to this one?

Personally I want nothing to do with any Future picks for 2025. I'd even be up for trading our future picks. Get in this draft and hit it hard, make the most of the talent whilst it's there.

The Vic centric media could be seeing a strong wa contingent in the draft next year and coming to the same conclusion they always do. That we'll only draft west Aussies
Or that were loading up for the chad
Personally I want to load up this year but we'll have to wait and see

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[Godfather32]

Well hold on.

I’m saying you use that F1 from Barrass on Baker. Which would be a teens pick maybe early 20s next year with how compromised that draft is looking.

You push for 6+10 for 3 and maybe a F2?

You get a gun at 6 and Allan at 10

Yeah....I just don't really want Baker.
But I like 6 & 10 for 3.
Think we can do better than Bo Allan at 10 as well

 

[Mop]

The floors are suspiciously dry going into the weekend. No Mops or Buckets required. What a pleasant change.

 

[Godfather32]

The floors are suspiciously dry going into the weekend. No Mops or Buckets required. What a pleasant change.

The pissy pants brigade are just re-hydrating mate, they'll be back

 

[eaglevision]

GCS Can’t have Rioli and F1s. Call Richmond’s bluff and be set for 1R NGAs next year in one trade:

WCE OUT: Barrass, F2
WCE IN: 6, 33

HAW OUT: F1 (CARL), F1 (HAW), 33
HAW IN: Barrass, F2 (WCE), 41

GCS OUT: 6, 41
GCS IN: F1 (CARL), F1 (HAW)

We take 3,6,26,33,62,67 to the draft with a 2025 hand of F1,F3,F4.

 

[DorothyG]

That’s a really weird way of negotiating then, stating a player is worth “more” than what the club actually thinks

Most on here have lambasted Clarke for talking the way he did,
Not to not read in to it

And your last sentence makes no sentence. If we had got pick 14 of the Hawks for TB, I have no doubt we would have sent it on to Richmond for Baker

He not negotiating with the media/public. He could say whatever he wanted in a press conference, it means nothing to the actual behind closed doors negotiations.

If the club was happy for a straight Barrass -> Baker swap via Hawks P14, it most likely would have been already done and dusted.

As it is either (and we don't really know what the clubs true position is, regardless of all the interviews staff give) we do not value Baker at 14 or we valve a contracted TB higher than 14.

Anyway just my opinion

 

[eaglevision]

Well hold on.

I’m saying you use that F1 from Barrass on Baker. Which would be a teens pick maybe early 20s next year with how compromised that draft is looking.

You push for 6+10 for 3 and maybe a F2?

You get a gun at 6 and Allan at 10

Yep and I’m saying we don’t want Baker for a F1. I don’t even want him for a F2.

Allan at 10 no thanks. Travaglia at 6 and Lindsay at 10.