List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

Whose future picks would you have preferred?

  • Total voters
    216

Remove this Banner Ad

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • Thread starter
  • Moderator
  • #2


Quick links


Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Wooshaaaa said:
Interesting crows don't take Draper.! If he has heard theyre not that into him, would we trade F1 for pick 4 and F3? I think in 4 yrs from now FOS and draper will be the 2 in this draft that will be flying.
Click to expand...
You have to give up more than a F3 to get into the top 5. It would have to be a F2 possibly more.
 
squashface said:
Really hope we’re desperately trying to get back into this years top 10. Very unlikely because everyone rates this years top 10 (funny that) but I’d be shopping our F1 and the Hawks F2 to everyone.
Click to expand...
This is the crazy thing. It’s like changing your money twice for no reason. Trade your AU$100 with 20% commission only to then change your now $80 worth of foreign currency straight back to Aussie dollars with 20% commission and your $100 is now $64. These are the peanuts we’re dealing with which is why it would make no sense to try and trade back into the top end of the draft after having just given up pick 3.

Our F2 for Richmond’s 24 and the pick swap I’ve mentioned with Essendon [26, F2 (HAW), F3 (WCE) for 28, 31, F2 (ESS)] are the only two trades in the 1R or 2R I can see without us leaving it feeling like we’ve been at a P Diddy freak off.

Would leave us with
12-Lindsay
24-Hynes
28-Oliver
31-O’Farrell
73-Stumpf
Rookie A-Knobel/Hayes
Rookie B-Champion

2025
3-(WCE F1)
12-(HAW F1)
26-(ESS F2)
49-(HAW F3)
 

Log in to remove this ad.

eaglevision said:
Cam’s latest rankings. Very interesting indeed.

www.afl.com.au

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey delivers his fourth Phantom Form Guide ahead of the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au

01: LEVI ASHCROFT.
02: FINN O'SULLIVAN.
03: HARVEY LANGFORD.
04: SAM LALOR.
05: JAGGA SMITH.
06: MURPHY REID.
07: SID DRAPER.
08: JOSH SMILLIE.
09: ALIX TAURU.
10: HARRY ARMSTRONG.
11: TOBIE TRAVAGLIA.
12: BO ALLAN.
13: LEONARDO LOMBARD.
14: ISAAC KAKO.
15: TAJ HOTTON.
16: XAVIER LINDSAY.
17: LUKE TRAINOR.
18: JOE BERRY.
19: JACK WHITLOCK.
20: JOBE SHANAHAN.
21: COOPER HYNES.
22: SAM MARSHALL.
23: MATT WHITLOCK.
24: JESSE DATTOLI.
25: JONTY FAULL.
26: HARRISON OLIVER.
27: TOM GROSS.
28: OLLIE HANNAFORD.
29: ALEX DODSON.
30: CHRISTIAN MORAES.

We won’t pick Hotton so going off that looks like Lindsay and Moraes.
Click to expand...
Do you think Lombard is being underrated ?

On SM-S921B using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Forward Press said:
Melbourne just traded a bundle of picks to get pick 9. They're not on-trading it.
Click to expand...
Agreed. Unless the player they were after isn't there. But the reality is that there's no real viable pathway back into the top 10 unless it's a massive overpay.

We've blown our chances with that, so lets just try to pick up some back end of first round, picks in the 20's if needed, and move on to next year.
 
mattyc75 said:
Do you think Lombard is being underrated ?

On SM-S921B using BigFooty.com mobile app
Click to expand...
I think Cal looks at where bids might come as well as where they rank on ability. On ability alone Lombard is in top 5 discussions and I would have bid on Lombard at 3 without hesitation if FOS was gone.
 
We should trade out all our picks for players that will fill the gap we have in the age bracket 25 -35. We are in that window of gaining another wooden spoon so we may as well have another crack at it.
No wait we have more lets F**k up next years draft, so we can jump back into this years draft.
More news we have promised Tom Clurey we would take him this year as he is in the age bracket only 31 when he starts playing for us.
We are a destination club if you are ready for retirement, well done eagles
 
Dark Sharks said:
Sub, ever heard of it?

If you're going to quote stats you need to at least look at the proper ones cuzzin. Carroll was sub impacted in 9 of the 15 games you mentioned.

Excluding sub games he's suddenly averaging 15.5 touches a game, and this is getting scrap mid time behind Cripps, Walsh, Kennedy, Cera etc etc.

Much like Dev, if you put him at the coal face and let him actually play football, he's reasonable.


Wouldn't expect huge things from him, but he seems handy at AFL level, so would add reasonable mid depth to a list which is lacking. Sensible SSP selection.

Kelly is a peaheart, Harley is 5yrs old and Yeos body is broken. Need someone to fetch the footy for us. Graham better help in this space, but Carroll also could.
Click to expand...
I've never actually seen him play, just saw his stats. That's why I asked, cos I know nothing about him lol. Thought it might be he was the sub in some of the games, but wouldn't have thought he'd be the sub so often.
 
Whilst it would be lovely to get into the top 10 I'd actually be targeting GWS 15 and 16 or either with 21, put the Hawks F1 on the table with a F3 and see what they think, not sure they'll really be that into this draft as they are chasing a flag now.
 
We_The_West said:
Looking at the data and the article below (yes, I'm aware it's from 3 years ago but still relevant analysis) it explains how there is only really a 20% chance that a top 10 pick turn into an All Australian.

How often do top 10 picks turn into All-Australian calibre players?

We've crunched the numbers, looking at 2005 to 2015.
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au

You want a champion team, not a team of champions. I'm not as phased with our lack of top 5 picks but what concerns me is that we used to hit the nail on the head with later and rookie picks (Waterman, McGovern) but we haven't unearthed too many gems in a while.

Tyrell Dewar is my bet for our next rookie star
Click to expand...

And it's not like dewer was a random late pick was it.
Harvey johnston looks pretty good, long hopefully comes back strong from his injury.

On SM-S921B using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
eaglevision said:
Cam’s latest rankings. Very interesting indeed.

www.afl.com.au

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey delivers his fourth Phantom Form Guide ahead of the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au

01: LEVI ASHCROFT.
02: FINN O'SULLIVAN.
03: HARVEY LANGFORD.
04: SAM LALOR.
05: JAGGA SMITH.
06: MURPHY REID.
07: SID DRAPER.
08: JOSH SMILLIE.
09: ALIX TAURU.
10: HARRY ARMSTRONG.
11: TOBIE TRAVAGLIA.
12: BO ALLAN.
13: LEONARDO LOMBARD.
14: ISAAC KAKO.
15: TAJ HOTTON.
16: XAVIER LINDSAY.
17: LUKE TRAINOR.
18: JOE BERRY.
19: JACK WHITLOCK.
20: JOBE SHANAHAN.
21: COOPER HYNES.
22: SAM MARSHALL.
23: MATT WHITLOCK.
24: JESSE DATTOLI.
25: JONTY FAULL.
26: HARRISON OLIVER.
27: TOM GROSS.
28: OLLIE HANNAFORD.
29: ALEX DODSON.
30: CHRISTIAN MORAES.

We won’t pick Hotton so going off that looks like Lindsay and Moraes.
Click to expand...
Or Berry
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Lyyynnnchy said:
And we lost access to both to get…Baker
Click to expand...

I don’t think we should’ve let go of pick 3 either as it was a poor trade but let’s not misrepresent it

We didn’t lose access to both for Baker, we lost access to one of them for Baker and whoever we take with pick 12

There’s also no guarantee that FOS makes it to pick 3 anyway
 
pantskyle said:
Whilst it would be lovely to get into the top 10 I'd actually be targeting GWS 15 and 16 or either with 21, put the Hawks F1 on the table with a F3 and see what they think, not sure they'll really be that into this draft as they are chasing a flag now.
Click to expand...

They said no to 3 for 15&16, can't see the Hawks F1 moving the needle for them

It'd have to be ours
 
Get_The_Gaff said:
Or Berry
Click to expand...
I think Berry is a much bigger chance at 12 than we think. On ability alone 12 is not a reach and Mini wants to play footy in our attacking half.

The question for me really is can he primarily play midfield in the medium term? The forward line is not an area that needs urgent attention.
 
We_The_West said:
Looking at the data and the article below (yes, I'm aware it's from 3 years ago but still relevant analysis) it explains how there is only really a 20% chance that a top 10 pick turn into an All Australian.

How often do top 10 picks turn into All-Australian calibre players?

We've crunched the numbers, looking at 2005 to 2015.
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au

You want a champion team, not a team of champions. I'm not as phased with our lack of top 5 picks but what concerns me is that we used to hit the nail on the head with later and rookie picks (Waterman, McGovern) but we haven't unearthed too many gems in a while.

Tyrell Dewar is my bet for our next rookie star
Click to expand...
AA selection is a poor comparison. There's lots of AA players that you'd be disappointed if you got with a top 5 pick.

The goal of a top 5 pick is to get a top 10 in the comp player. Not one or 2 great seasons as a small defender.

Do you think Richmond's 3-flag side were a champion team? Do you know most of their team were 2nd and 3rd rounders and RD selections? But their best players were top picks. Do you think that team could win 3 flags without Dusty and Cotch? Do you think it's possible that all those R2, R3, and RD soldiers were able to play as a champion team because the top end could beat other team's top ends?
 
amazingjoshy said:
They said no to 3 for 15&16, can't see the Hawks F1 moving the needle for them

It'd have to be ours
Click to expand...

Who was it that said GWS declined that deal? Don't recall hearing about that.
 
We_The_West said:
Happy Mastenator You could argue that 1st Rd picks are better saved to trade for established stars with a known value, rather than taking a risky punt on an 18 yr old who's still sipping their mother's milk
Click to expand...
You can't really argue that. Most teams who are bottom for have no business trading in a star. The timing is wrong. Even with Chad next year, the timing isn't perfect. The best bet is to go to the draft, load up on talent, and then see if you can get a star. The reality is, most stars only want to go to Collingwood or Geelong. I mean, you can get Dylan Shiel, I guess.
 
Bleedblueandgold said:
I've never actually seen him play, just saw his stats. That's why I asked, cos I know nothing about him lol. Thought it might be he was the sub in some of the games, but wouldn't have thought he'd be the sub so often.
Click to expand...

Carlton fans have cut a decent highlights package of him.

He's a bit of an odd unit. Strange gait. Penetrating kick. Doesn't seem slow for mine, which is also handy.

I like the idea personally, don't think there's much moneyball mid depth out there and Carroll still has plenty of upside.




If it came down to SSP signings and we only had room for 1 selection, i'd prefer Carroll > DGB > Clurey at this point.

Just feels like Carroll is more likely to make it and be more handy than the other two.
 
Ruben Grubarb said:
AA selection is a poor comparison. There's lots of AA players that you'd be disappointed if you got with a top 5 pick.

The goal of a top 5 pick is to get a top 10 in the comp player. Not one or 2 great seasons as a small defender.

Do you think Richmond's 3-flag side were a champion team? Do you know most of their team were 2nd and 3rd rounders and RD selections? But their best players were top picks. Do you think that team could win 3 flags without Dusty and Cotch? Do you think it's possible that all those R2, R3, and RD soldiers were able to play as a champion team because the top end could beat other team's top ends?
Click to expand...
Dusty was super critical but I think Cotchin’s importance to Richmond’s dynasty period is often overstated. Guys like Edwards and Lambert were just as crucial imo
 
We screwed our 2024 draft hand but our 2025 picks are now really strong. Lets stop with these silly pick-swap suggestions that will ruin our 2025 hand.

If we finish bottom 4 next year and Hawks drop off a little bit and miss the top 8, we could enter the 2025 draft with a top 5 pick, a 2nd top 10 pick and two more picks in the 20s.

We have plenty of youth we need to get games into as is, Harley, JWilliams, Maric, Hutchinson, Johnston, Hall, Hewett, Dewar, Long, AReid, Bazzo, Chesser, pick 12 & pick 26. Pushing back the bigger intake of draftees by 12 months isn't the worst thing we could be doing.
 
daddy_4_eyes said:
We screwed our 2024 draft hand but our 2025 picks are now really strong. Lets stop with these silly pick-swap suggestions that will ruin our 2025 hand.

If we finish bottom 4 next year and Hawks drop off a little bit and miss the top 8, we could enter the 2025 draft with a top 5 pick, a 2nd top 10 pick and two more picks in the 20s.

We have plenty of youth we need to get games into as is, Harley, JWilliams, Maric, Hutchinson, Johnston, Hall, Hewett, Dewar, Long, AReid, Bazzo, Chesser, pick 12 & pick 26. Pushing back the bigger intake of draftees by 12 months isn't the worst thing we could be doing.
Click to expand...
Could also easily move those two second rounders into a middle of the top 10 given the hunt for points clubs will be going on for academy picks.

And of course the flexibility for Warner.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Remove this Banner Ad

Similar threads

eaglevision
  • Poll
List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition
71 72 73 74 75
Replies
2K
Views
100K
beagles
B
eaglevision
  • Locked
  • Poll
List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition
841 842 843 844 845
Replies
21K
Views
1M
maverick001
maverick001
HoneyBadger35
Up the Coasters Post Season Awards 2024
20 21 22 23 24
Replies
576
Views
22K
KERRPOW
KERRPOW
Yeahnahmate
  • Locked
  • Poll
Strategy 2024 Post Season Cull
Replies
7
Views
751
Ghossein
Ghossein
Keys
Competitions Draft Quiz - 2024
2
Replies
30
Views
1K
Doashuey
Doashuey
Keys
  • Locked
Game Day The 2024 Draft Day Thread
75 76 77 78 79
Replies
2K
Views
82K
Keys
Keys
HoneyBadger35
  • Poll
Review 2024 Season in Review
Replies
20
Views
1K
KERRPOW
KERRPOW
Back
Top