List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Toli13]

Sure as shit wasn't one of the 3 players I was chasing from Freo.

Any insight on who the 3 players were please Phil?!

 

[Elite Pete]

Sure as shit wasn't one of the 3 players I was chasing from Freo.

Noddy
Reidy
Knobel?

Can all have their names wiped off the list then

 

[ghostbat12]

Sure as shit wasn't one of the 3 players I was chasing from Freo.

At this rate all you will be credited with is baker.

Is that what you really want to be remembered by? Baker_Phil.

 

[Wce17]

Sure as shit wasn't one of the 3 players I was chasing from Freo.

Knobel, O’driscoll & Reidy by any chance?

 

[random260]

I think Travaglia is a better prospect than Draper TBH.

As a defender yes. As a mid **** no he has no runs on the board. He may make it but he has no runs on the board as a mid.

Draper can't kick... But other than that is pretty good

Smilie.. I like... bit like a Dave Mundy...

From videos it seems he seems to have trouble hitting the short 15m passes... Seems awkward for him

Have you taken a look at jagga kicking under pressure. And I'm coming around jagga at 3 lol

 

[Dark Sharks]

I'm a huge Harvey Langford fan, and the idea of splitting the pick in a deep draft does appeal, but Sid Draper is our man IMO.

As others have said, he's the clear balanced player in our range with all the traits we're lacking, and a low risk of turning into a bust selection. Both offensive and defensive, good mix of outside and inside... there's really very little to knock.

Viney/Shuey combination. He's not an idle passenger. He doesn't suck his thumb and wait for others to make the play around him, he does it himself. Like Harley does. That's a quality trait to have in a player, particularly one in our pedestrian (bar Harley) midfield.


I think the one and only risk with Draper, is if the club "Hams" him. Because he's so small, they give up on the midfield too quickly and pigeon hole him in the forward line to try to turn him into a small forward, despite playing his best footy, and being an actual midfielder.

Winder, Strijk, Parto kind of vibes. That could've been a Simpson/Worsfold thing, but who knows. Unless the club is actually serious about Kelly GTFO of the midfield rotation and back into the forward line where he plays his best footy, and mixing up our midfield.

Hopefully he grows a few more cm's. Just like my wife says about me.

 

[maverick001]

Probs not the forum for it but how good were Snake's speeches at B&F.
An easy bloke to get around. No doubt brings a lot of positive energy to the club.
Harley's best emerging talent acceptance doesn't instil me with confidence he's in for the long haul. But then again maybe he just didn't want to make a big song & dance about something that isn't really much of a big deal

 

[maverick001]

If we could get Warner for pick 3 you'd do it in an instant, but I'm not a believer Swans would let him go while still contracted & in the window.
With Hawks R1 pick, our 23 & more from Hawks we'd still be well placed to add young talent. Should have early pick next year to add another mid

 

[bombard]

Have we ever had a Tobie?



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Tobie, or not Tobie. That is the question.

 

[bzparkes]

Tobie, or not Tobie. That is the question.

 

[archiemoses]

Sure as shit wasn't one of the 3 players I was chasing from Freo.

Not sure what to believe anymore.

 

[Off Tap]

Given that we’ve got quite a long period of time to argue over who will be our number 3 pick, unless of course we trade it. Has anyone got any dead set certainties for the Melbourne cup? Just the 1st 4 in order will be fine.

Back each horse which price is between $10 and $20. You might get 3 or 4 bets each year but statistically has proven profitable over the years.

 

[ziad]

Not sure what to believe anymore.

I God we trust, all others must bring data.

 

[LewyBroome]

A question for the draft watchers. Is Moraes just a no go now? His stock has plummeted, but seems like he would provide that outside run and class that we need. Did he fall victim to being pushed out of a stacked Vic metro midfield, and could he be a potential value pick at 23 if he slides? What's the knock on him from a WCE perspective?

His kicking is very suspect

 

[Obeanie1]

A question for the draft watchers. Is Moraes just a no go now? His stock has plummeted, but seems like he would provide that outside run and class that we need. Did he fall victim to being pushed out of a stacked Vic metro midfield, and could he be a potential value pick at 23 if he slides? What's the knock on him from a WCE perspective?

If we have 23>>>>28 he would be a great choice IMO.

Definate slider and a position of need.

However there will be several nice options from 25 to 40.

Edit: Urquhart, Davis WA lads, a Whitlock CHB, Taru could be the steal. Gross and Oliver.

 

[Godfather32]

Sure as shit wasn't one of the 3 players I was chasing from Freo.

 

[Hillsy13]

If Warner signs on with Sydney next year wouldn’t mind throwing a big offer at Finn Callaghan. Is a gun and only gonna get better and could play inside instead of wing for us


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[Get_The_Gaff]

Sure as shit wasn't one of the 3 players I was chasing from Freo.

REIDY !!!!

freo have offer a 1 year contract . Offer him 3 and he will have opportunities way better than the purples

Get him phil and trade BW to Melbourne

 

[Keys]

I think that what we might pay for Baker will, in part, come from what we receive for Barrass

So I put together a possible 3 way trade :

West Coast
In- Baker, 13,30,39*
Out- Barrass, 23,59

Hawthorn
In- Barrass, 23,57,59
Out- 13,30,F1

Richmond
In- F1 (Hawthorn)
Out- Baker, 39,57

Richmond get their R1 pick for Baker, albeit a future one but they’ll have others this year from the Rioli and Bolton trades. The F1 might also help them getting another R1 pick from Gold Coast

Hawthorn give up two R1 picks but advance from 30 to 23 plus get a couple of late picks since their next pick would otherwise be pick 67

We effectively get Baker and 13 for Barrass plus 30 and 39 for 23, giving us an extra pick inside 40. Pick 59 is replaced by the pick we’re likely to get for Darling (64) and is there for Champion

Go to the draft with 3,13,30,39,64 and we still have all our 2025 picks intact to use in trades for any of Garcia, Carroll, etc should they agree to join us

* I originally had pick 29 coming from Richmond but felt that was a little too lopsided in our favour so changed it to 39

Purely spitballing though

 

[mat11]

Next year's NGA/father son bidding rules doesn't look too bad, we should have full access to our lot next year although there have been a few changes. Essentially 4th and 3rd rounders may not carry any weight although the picks themselves aren't valued as high excluding pick 1. If we are trading out fringe players this year we either want f2's or picks this year.

ie it'd be in our best interest to get either an R4 for petrucelle this year rather than an f4 or get an f2 for bbw rather than a R3 this year

 

[Godfather32]

I think that what we might pay for Baker will, in part, come from what we receive for Barrass

So I put together a possible 3 way trade :

West Coast
In- Baker, 13,30,39*
Out- Barrass, 23,59

Hawthorn
In- Barrass, 23,57,59
Out- 13,30,F1

Richmond
In- F1 (Hawthorn)
Out- Baker, 39,57

Richmond get their R1 pick for Baker, albeit a future one but they’ll have others this year from the Rioli and Bolton trades. The F1 might also help them getting another R1 pick from Gold Coast

Hawthorn give up two R1 picks but advance from 30 to 23 plus get a couple of late picks since their next pick would otherwise be pick 67

We effectively get Baker and 13 for Barrass plus 30 and 39 for 23, giving us an extra pick inside 40. Pick 59 is replaced by the pick we’re likely to get for Darling (64) and is there for Champion

Go to the draft with 3,13,30,39,64 and we still have all our 2025 picks intact to use in trades for any of Garcia, Carroll, etc should they agree to join us

* I originally had pick 29 coming from Richmond but felt that was a little too lopsided in our favour so changed it to 39

Purely spitballing though

The more I see trade scenarios involving Baker the less I want him. Just keep the picks and use them imo

 

[ArdentEagle]

I think that what we might pay for Baker will, in part, come from what we receive for Barrass

So I put together a possible 3 way trade :

West Coast
In- Baker, 13,30,39*
Out- Barrass, 23,59

Hawthorn
In- Barrass, 23,57,59
Out- 13,30,F1

Richmond
In- F1 (Hawthorn)
Out- Baker, 39,57

Richmond get their R1 pick for Baker, albeit a future one but they’ll have others this year from the Rioli and Bolton trades. The F1 might also help them getting another R1 pick from Gold Coast

Hawthorn give up two R1 picks but advance from 30 to 23 plus get a couple of late picks since their next pick would otherwise be pick 67

We effectively get Baker and 13 for Barrass plus 30 and 39 for 23, giving us an extra pick inside 40. Pick 59 is replaced by the pick we’re likely to get for Darling (64) and is there for Champion

Go to the draft with 3,13,30,39,64 and we still have all our 2025 picks intact to use in trades for any of Garcia, Carroll, etc should they agree to join us

* I originally had pick 29 coming from Richmond but felt that was a little too lopsided in our favour so changed it to 39

Purely spitballing though

It's hard to argue with those trades, I'd personally want a bit more as I don't value baker more than an F2 but Tigers would.

Every side would be maybe begrudgingly accepting of it. Which means it's got to be pretty close.

Probably the most realistic effort I've seen thus far.

 

[mat11]

The more I see trade scenarios involving Baker the less I want him. Just keep the picks and use them imo

If we want baker (I'd say its a 50/50 split on this board) Ralphy's suggestion is prob the best and we keep Hawks f1

Wce - 6, baker
Rich - 3

 

[Monocle]

The more I see trade scenarios involving Baker the less I want him. Just keep the picks and use them imo

Can only agree, unfortunately our Club seems keen to land him.

 

[ronpingwins]

Can only agree, unfortunately our Club seems keen to land him.

Surely not Barrass pick keen?

FWIW I’d heard about 2 weeks ago that Freo think they have him