List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Tugga27]

I have a feeling we get Georgiades.
Pick 2, 20, Rioli
for
Pick 8, Future 1st and Georgiades.

Can't see Port getting rid of Georgiades TBH.

 

[Godfather32]

So in summary no news. next week i guess.

I dont understand why people are upset with clubs proposing low offers, it in their best interests. No club is abliged to accept any offer, and can freely negotiate. As for the press- they are paid to sell advertising so they need to have wild headlines to attract attention. I dont look at or pay for advertising so i dont look at the press.

I mean it's not that they're offering deals that are slightly in their favour, it's that two notoriously campaigners of teams to deal with are offering massively insulting trades for players that they've actively chased where they make out like bandits.

 

[Flarn Rarn]

The issue is renegotiating the contract to suit your own salary cap. He’s a negative asset with that contract which is why GC are offloading him with a high pick. Geelong should have to cop the same contract otherwise they don’t get the good asset. If they can’t fit 850k into the cap next year then they don’t deserve pick 7. This sort of deal is for the Hawthorns of the world who don’t really have anyone to pay for the next 2 years or so, so they’re willing to “buy” a high pick with that cap space. Not for the reigning premiers to do some fancy accounting to squeeze in a decent player on a more favourable yearly contract and take the pick, so they have more cap space to fill their boots.

I have news for you: every club renegotiates contracts to suit their own salary cap. Bowes still has to agree to defer what he is owed for now and to average down his cost Geelong would be committing to extra years that he may not be 'worth' anyway. If Geelong can manage that while they still have a mature list it's their own business, and it'll be their own fault if he turns out not to be worth anything in 3 years time. This doesn't disadvantage other clubs who are not part of the deal so the idea that the AFL should step in and say who is allowed to make the trade, or should auction off the pick or whatever is ludicrous. Gold Coast can make their own decisions, and that includes taking the best offer they get for their overpaid player and pick 7. There's no need for action here.

 

[ziad]

I mean it's not that they're offering deals that are slightly in their favour, it's that two notoriously campaigners of teams to deal with are offering massively insulting trades for players that they've actively chased where they make out like bandits.

They are only insulting BP peoples.
Its the old mind over matter issue for the Cats etc. They dont mind and you dont matter.

 

[Chris_6678]

Geelong got Tanner for pick 18.

How many tops picks to GWS have now?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

They are only insulting BP peoples.

To be fair, they deserve it after that oil spill.

 

[ziad]

I have a feeling we get Georgiades.
Pick 2, 20, Rioli
for
Pick 8, Future 1st and Georgiadis.

wow, to my mind moving out of the top 5 (presumably a mid or absolute gun tall) is way over valuing Georgiades who is only a prominising third tall - a good upgrade on Waterman but thats all at the moment.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Geelong got Tanner for pick 18.

How many tops picks to GWS have now?

 

[Chris_6678]

Oh so lets see if they want Pick 2 for 3 , 12 & 15 haha

 

[Keys]

Geelong got Tanner for pick 18.

How many tops picks to GWS have now?

That’ll now be 3,12,15,18,19

With a trade for Hopper still to come

They have traded out Taranto, Bruhn, pick 21 and a future 2nd to get those mid teens picks

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Yeah this is all getting a bit BigFooty mega trade, but if we could go:

Out: 2
In: 3 and 19

Out: 3, Rioli
In: 8, Future 1st (Port), 33

Turn 2 and Rioli into 8, 19, 33 and a future 1st. I would be very happy with that.

Draft hand of: 8, 19, 20, 26, 33.

If we don't use 40 maybe swing it to GWS

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[TerryFilk]

I have a feeling we get Georgiades.
Pick 2, 20, Rioli
for
Pick 8, Future 1st and Georgiades.

That’s a horrific trade for us

 

[SloppyJoe]

The issue is renegotiating the contract to suit your own salary cap. He’s a negative asset with that contract which is why GC are offloading him with a high pick. Geelong should have to cop the same contract otherwise they don’t get the good asset. If they can’t fit 850k into the cap next year then they don’t deserve pick 7. This sort of deal is for the Hawthorns of the world who don’t really have anyone to pay for the next 2 years or so, so they’re willing to “buy” a high pick with that cap space. Not for the reigning premiers to do some fancy accounting to squeeze in a decent player on a more favourable yearly contract and take the pick, so they have more cap space to fill their boots.

I realise the AFL have a lot of power and discretion in deciding whether or not to approve trades, but IMO it sets a very bad precedent if they start seeking to set their own fundamental terms and conditions in contracts that they aren't even a party to.

It's one thing for the clubs and players to be under a set of rules set by the afl (e.g. salary cap) which shape how they negotiate contracts with their players, it's quite another for the AFL to unilaterally say "the contract between you must be for X dollars over Y years". I don't even think it would be legally enforceable.

I'm a fan of our comp's relative equality and competitiveness, but equalisation measures can only go so far. We wouldn't even be talking about this if GC weren't such a shambles, or if Geelong weren't a well run successful out fit. But sometimes that's the case and we can't have the AFL stepping in to impose equality at every juncture. This aint the USSR.

 

[Godfather32]

That’s a horrific trade for us

I'm 100% of the belief that we're not going to get a decent trade out of the Port/North/Rioli debacle unless Port do an about-face and start throwing players in to the deal. We need to just cut our losses and focus on extracting better value out of pick two from other teams. Make the right trade with pick two and we'll end up better off than pretty much anything we do with pick two, Port & Rioli. Let Rioli's management approach other teams for a trade or just let him go in the PSD.

 

[TerryFilk]

I'm 100% of the belief that we're not going to get a decent trade out of the Port/North/Rioli debacle unless Port do an about-face and start throwing players in to the deal. We need to just cut our losses and focus on extracting better value out of pick two from other teams. Make the right trade with pick two and we'll end up better off than pretty much anything we do with pick two, Port & Rioli. Let Rioli's management approach other teams for a trade or just let him go in the PSD.

I agree, there’s no possible outcome where we walk away winners in this Port / North deal

 

[Bacchus]

I have a feeling we get Georgiades.
Pick 2, 20, Rioli
for
Pick 8, Future 1st and Georgiades.

No #20 included thanks. We are already losers on the pick downgrade deal. We don’t need to sweeten it, the onus on sweetening is PA’s.

 

[twce13]

That’ll now be 3,12,15,18,19

With a trade for Hopper still to come

They have traded out Taranto, Bruhn, pick 21 and a future 2nd to get those mid teens picks

Tiges and cats must be excited to see who gws will select for them in the draft.

Seriously man, its just rinse and repeat.

 

[TerryFilk]

That’ll now be 3,12,15,18,19

With a trade for Hopper still to come

They have traded out Taranto, Bruhn, pick 21 and a future 2nd to get those mid teens picks

3 and 12, 15 or 18 for 2 or even 3 and Tigers future 1st for 2 would be a great outcome, would need North to take Wardlaw or Sheezel at #1

 

[kranky al]

Georgiades is West Australian.

His grandad was my footy coach in juniors.

Im famous

 

[pantskyle]

I'd be seriously tempted to offer pick 2 to GWS for some of those first rounders.

 

[Keys]

Even if Port were willing to trade Georgiades or Houston we would still have to convince them to move across the country and uproot their lives to play for a club at the bottom of the ladder. They are under contract and well within their rights to just say No.

That’s Ports problem- if they want all of JHF, Rioli and now Ratugolea they’re going to need to trade a player out, and a decent one at that

They’ve got 8,33,43,53 and their future 1st. That’s it

Even if you allow for the possibility they could get Rioli through the PSD, those picks aren’t going to get the other two contracted players

So to get what they want, they’ll have to encourage someone to leave

 

[Spooky17]

Keep pick 2 until draft night then wait for GWS to come our way with 3 and 12 so they can get Cadman. Win

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Trading pick 2 with Port/Norf would be madness.

Have patience ffs

 

[pantskyle]

Keep pick 2 until draft night then wait for GWS to come our way with 3 and 12 so they can get Cadman. Win

Come draft night I think we could probably get more out of them as well, including upgrading some of our second rounders into firsts.

 

[TerryFilk]

Come draft night I think we could probably get more out of them as well, including upgrading some of our second rounders into firsts.

Genuinely think we could do 2 for 3 and one of GWS’s firsts

Then either trade down with whoever pays more Bombers or Hawks, as they’ll both look to secure Sheezel. 4 and 22 from the Dons would work, but I’d definitely see if Hawthorn were desperate enough to do 6 and their future 1st for 3 and 20, might be unlikely but you’d ask the question.