List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

[Keys]

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[DanWCE]

I’ve said it before when people rave about our track record for retaining players - sometimes that shouldn’t be considered an inherently good thing.

Sometimes retaining your players is detrimental to your list management, and sometimes refusing to retain them opens up a bunch of opportunities.

In hindsight Gaffs the big miss we had. Won a flag without him. Would've been considered equal to losing Neale as far as impact if he left. Don't think we had a direct replacement ready to go for him either given his age and durability at the time.

Not sure there have been many others but we possibly don't hear about them as we get the deals done before there's too much conjecture.

 

[Deepthroat]

Brisbane - Neale, Dunkley, Cameron & Daniher.

Sometimes $$$ talks.

Our list should have a whopping war chest next year. Get spending.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

In hindsight Gaffs the big miss we had. Won a flag without him. Would've been considered equal to losing Neale as far as impact if he left. Don't think we had a direct replacement ready to go for him either given his age and durability at the time.

Not sure there have been many others but we possibly don't hear about them as we get the deals done before there's too much conjecture.

In 2019 we had Brander on one wing and Sheed (showed in 2018 that he was perfectly capable of playing Gaff's role).

Other depth could have come from Nelson or Duggan or Cole

 

[kane249]

Brisbane - Neale, Dunkley, Cameron & Daniher.

Sometimes $$$ talks.

Our list should have a whopping war chest next year. Get spending.

Tim English - RFA end of 2024

Watch this space IMO

 

[FKASC]

but we possibly don't hear about them as we get the deals done before there's too much conjecture.

yeah that’s more what I’m referring to. Clearly the club likes to lock everyone away, usually that’s good, sometimes possibly bad.

 

[Deepthroat]

Would anyone here have had a stab at who is on what in our cap?

 

[Keys]

How many people were saying we should have let Gaff go at the time bearing in mind had he left our FA compensation would have been pick 19?

He was a 26 year old AA wingman at the time and stayed for less than North were offering

It’s not looking so good now because the game has shifted and his lack of pace has become a liability that his gut running can’t compensate for

Easy to look back in hindsight but in the moment it looked sound

 

[dinnaz]

Brisbane - Neale, Dunkley, Cameron & Daniher.

Sometimes $$$ talks.

Our list should have a whopping war chest next year. Get spending.

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I'm happy to bring in anyone who wants to come!
Hunt was a fringe player at Melbourne but is a clear upgrade on about 15 of our players. If we can incrementally improve those bottom few then our whole list will be in much better shape. Some extra bodies in the midfield would be handy.

RFA​

Darcy Parish is a small midfielder who doesn't defend and cant kick but can win a bit of the footy which we don't.

UFA/DFA​

Matt Crouch is someone who would instantly make our midfield stronger and is a bigger body in there > O'Neill, Gaff, Clarke, Culley, West, Trew, Edwards
Rhys Mathieson goes super hard and would be a perfect stopgap for a couple of years. Limited but once again is better than 90% of our midfielders.
Luke Dunstan cant get a game with St Kilda or Melb but would absolutely walk into our top 10.

 

[FKASC]

Tim English - RFA end of 2024

Watch this space IMO

All well and good but he’ll turn 28 in his first year with us. How will it sync up with our rebuild?

 

[dinnaz]

How many people were saying we should have let Gaff go at the time bearing in mind had he left our FA compensation would have been pick 19?

He was a 26 year old AA wingman at the time and stayed for less than North were offering

It’s not looking so good now because the game has shifted and his lack of pace has become a liability that his gut running can’t compensate for

Easy to look back in hindsight but in the moment it looked sound

We adjusted without him in 2018, but he was a key player that got us to two grand finals. We 100% would have gone into 2019 with a worse list if he had gone.

 

[FKASC]

How many people were saying we should have let Gaff go at the time bearing in mind had he left our FA compensation would have been pick 19?

He was a 26 year old AA wingman at the time and stayed for less than North were offering

It’s not looking so good now because the game has shifted and his lack of pace has become a liability that his gut running can’t compensate for

Easy to look back in hindsight but in the moment it looked sound

Original point was in reaction to hesitance to draft players due to go-home factor. FA isn’t really what I was getting at, as this will now devolve into BSDs talking about how elite our senior players were when we gave them contracts

 

[shooshka]

Delisted trio among first group to nominate for mid-season draft

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Maric one of 20 to nominate for an 18th month contract.

I know taking 2 forwards when we have a significant lack of ball winning mids (on the park at least) would be a surprise, but a Maric and Ronke combo might well suit us.

Trust in our S&C team is naturally at an all time low, but theoretically we should get mids back before forwards, and we do need forward depth (mid depth or high end development players are likely from the draft).


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[Truly Lazuli]

Original point was in reaction to hesitance to draft players due to go-home factor. FA isn’t really what I was getting at, as this will now devolve into BSDs talking about how elite our senior players were when we gave them contracts

Well I wasn't going to say anything but now you've called me out I feel obliged. Our senior players were elite when we gave them contacts.

 

[Keys]

Original point was in reaction to hesitance to draft players due to go-home factor. FA isn’t really what I was getting at, as this will now devolve into BSDs talking about how elite our senior players were when we gave them contracts

I don’t think there’s a right or wrong way to approach drafting players who are considered potential flight risks but generally speaking if a player is clearly better then you draft him and back yourself to retain him. Like North did with JHF for example

The risk is he wants to leave and it’s hard to get adequate compensation in that instance. It also sets your rebuild back

I’ll use Cerra as an example. Not sure if he was considered a flight risk predraft but he didn’t seem happy when drafted and left after 4 years. Freo did well enough to get pick 6 out of Carlton for him that they used on Amiss who looks a great pickup and helps prove your point

However, if back in 2017 they overlooked Cerra as a possible flight risk and selected Naughton instead which would’ve been the better result - take Naughton or take Cerra who you convert into Amiss 4 years later

 

[ziad]

In 2019 we had Brander on one wing and Sheed (showed in 2018 that he was perfectly capable of playing Gaff's role).

Other depth could have come from Nelson or Duggan or Cole

Brander, Nelson, Duggan. With all due respect that dross.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

RFA​

Darcy Parish is a small midfielder who doesn't defend and cant kick but can win a bit of the footy which we don't.

UFA/DFA​

Matt Crouch is someone who would instantly make our midfield stronger and is a bigger body in there > O'Neill, Gaff, Clarke, Culley, West, Trew, Edwards
Rhys Mathieson goes super hard and would be a perfect stopgap for a couple of years. Limited but once again is better than 90% of our midfielders.
Luke Dunstan cant get a game with St Kilda or Melb but would absolutely walk into our top 10.

From the Essendon games I've seen Parish appears too similar to Sheed for me, does a very good job at working hard to put himself into the right position to receive the ball from the person who wins it rather than winning actually it himself. Do not want.

Would be more than happy putting Mathieson and Dunstan on the list if we had the space.

Separate to this if we were to take Maric in the MSD, can this list carry all three of Waterman, Maric and Georgiades?

 

[Obeanie1]

All well and good but he’ll turn 28 in his first year with us. How will it sync up with our rebuild?

If all he cost was $ why wouldnt we?

He would be turning 31 in 4 years from now. Four drafts from now.

And he likely would help attract trades in that period.

As a FA it is a no brainer.

No Matrix download needed to work that one out Dinnaz.

 

[ziad]

From the Essendon games I've seen Parish appears too similar to Sheed for me, does a very good job at working hard to put himself into the right position to receive the ball from the person who wins it rather than winning actually it himself. Do not want.

Would be more than happy putting Mathieson and Dunstan on the list if we had the space.

Separate to this if we were to take Maric in the MSD, can this list carry all three of Waterman, Maric and Georgiades?

No, we need a quality AFL player not three Beagles flat trackers.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Tim English - RFA end of 2024

Watch this space IMO

Yes but restricted

So unless we offer ridiculous $$$, think buddy, then they will match knowing we will have to trade.

I'll get excited about unrestricted players.

 

[kane249]

All well and good but he’ll turn 28 in his first year with us. How will it sync up with our rebuild?

Shields Barnett a bit more and gives him more time to develop having a good senior partner to learn off.

Bailey Williams should still be around, but Jamieson has a long way to go to make it AFL level

 

[kane249]

Yes but restricted

So unless we offer ridiculous $$$, think buddy, then they will match knowing we will have to trade.

I'll get excited about unrestricted players.

Dogs will be under salary cap pressure with the likes of Darcy, Ugle-Hagan, Naughton, Bontempelli, Smith etc

We can always front load a deal, worst case we place extra pressure on the Dogs salary cap and could have the flow on effect of Busslinger being shaken free.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Dogs will be under salary cap pressure with the likes of Darcy, Ugle-Hagan, Naughton, Bontempelli, Smith etc

We can always front load a deal, worst case we place extra pressure on the Dogs salary cap and could have the flow on effect of Busslinger being shaken free.

True

 

[DanWCE]

I don’t think there’s a right or wrong way to approach drafting players who are considered potential flight risks but generally speaking if a player is clearly better then you draft him and back yourself to retain him. Like North did with JHF for example

The risk is he wants to leave and it’s hard to get adequate compensation in that instance. It also sets your rebuild back

I’ll use Cerra as an example. Not sure if he was considered a flight risk predraft but he didn’t seem happy when drafted and left after 4 years. Freo did well enough to get pick 6 out of Carlton for him that they used on Amiss who looks a great pickup and helps prove your point

However, if back in 2017 they overlooked Cerra as a possible flight risk and selected Naughton instead which would’ve been the better result - take Naughton or take Cerra who you convert into Amiss 4 years later

At least drafting a flight risk from Victoria means theres plenty of suitors to drive up the price if they ever decide to head home.

North got caught in a situation where their flight risk was heading back to a two-team town. They did okay out of it, as they should have, but when a player has youth and talent on their side plus a contract in place, the club prying him loose should be paying overs.

I really look forward to Port getting bent over at the trade table. Hope they slip up this season and we cash in on those picks.

 

[Keys]

At least drafting a flight risk from Victoria means theres plenty of suitors to drive up the price if they ever decide to head home.

North got caught in a situation where their flight risk was heading back to a two-team town. They did okay out of it, as they should have, but when a player has youth and talent on their side plus a contract in place, the club prying him loose should be paying overs.

I really look forward to Port getting bent over at the trade table. Hope they slip up this season and we cash in on those picks.

In theory more clubs = more demand and a higher trade price

Reality is that the player nominates a club he wants to go to and the trade becomes what’s the best deal you can do with that club

 

[shooshka]

Dogs will be under salary cap pressure with the likes of Darcy, Ugle-Hagan, Naughton, Bontempelli, Smith etc

We can always front load a deal, worst case we place extra pressure on the Dogs salary cap and could have the flow on effect of Busslinger being shaken free.

The stupidity of the system means it is probably more important where the Dogs finish next year than anything else.

Bottom 3-4, they let him go assuming band 1 compo. Mid table, think about it. Top 4, force a trade.

Best case in some miracle world, we finish above the Dogs (not sure how that could happen in 2024, but it is the dream!)


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