List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[ziad]

Eagles trading out thier f1 would be next level stupid.

horrible its a nightmare. we know it will happen

 

[Nuffington Post]

Any Gold Coast academy kids or father son prospects should NOT come in to your calculations on whether to split your pick or not.

They are not part of the pool of talent that you will be drafting from.

Your recruiters, in making such a decision, will only be looking at the kids available to you.

Agree but if you have pick 1 and looking at splitting that for picks 4 and 6, they might slide to picks 5 and 7 because of Walter so the actual value of that trade declines.


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[ziad]

Any Gold Coast academy kids or father son prospects should NOT come in to your calculations on whether to split your pick or not.

They are not part of the pool of talent that you will be drafting from.

Your recruiters, in making such a decision, will only be looking at the kids available to you.

Mate, our recruiters will be looking at kids who are under ther radar through lack of skill and recent amputations.

 

[3agles87]

Agree but if you have pick 1 and looking at splitting that for picks 4 and 6, they might slide to picks 5 and 7 because of Walter so the actual value of that trade declines.


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Which is important only if you need the points to match a bid. Otherwise, the point still remains that you have the same talent available to you whether Walter goes before or after picks 4 and 6

 

[Nuffington Post]

Which is important only if you need the points to match a bid. Otherwise, the point still remains that you have the same talent available to you whether Walter goes before or after picks 4 and 6

No you’re actually getting the 5th and 7th best players in the draft compared to the 4th and 6th, so it changes the proposition of the trade


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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Now some will say 4, 5 plus 7 is crazy.

In effect on draft night they end up players 5, 6 and 8

And end up something like.

1. Reid - GWS
2. Walters Suns bid matched
3. Caddy North
4. Dursma Hawks
5. Curtin Eagles trd GWS
6. McKercher Eagles trd GWS
7. Watson - Swans or Blues
8. Edwards - Eagles trd GWS

End up with the #1 rated CHB
The #1 rated pure balanced mid
And the #1 rated ruck

Still holding out hope for Moir to show what he can do. Him at 8 and showing he deserves to be picked at 8 would be fantastic.

4,6, 9 is the current way it would be but its still a no. The best comparison for Harley Reid and his position in the draft is Matt Rowell. So lets go pick 4,6,9 in that draft

Matt Rowell for Lachie Ash, Fischer McAsey and Liam Henry.....


Scary to think about but very well the reality we could be dealing with given our horrendous drafting record.

 

[3agles87]

No you’re actually getting the 5th and 7th best players in the draft compared to the 4th and 6th, so it changes the proposition of the trade


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I think you missed ‘the available to you‘ part of my previous post. I get your point. I don’t make the rules, I don’t like the rules, but getting hung up over the fact we can’t take the Northern Academies kids is a fools errand.

 

[Obeanie1]

Which is important only if you need the points to match a bid. Otherwise, the point still remains that you have the same talent available to you whether Walter goes before or after picks 4 and 6

The point he's making is you hold pick 1 you have access to the #1 rated kid. No debate.

If this year we split and get picks say 5 and 6. We are likely gaining access to the 6th and 7th rated kids.

So when assessing cost v reward the quality of players available with later picks is diminished.

If there were no top 10 acadamy kids spliting picks would be much more attractive. Thats the point.

 

[Obeanie1]

No you’re actually getting the 5th and 7th best players in the draft compared to the 4th and 6th, so it changes the proposition of the trade


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Agreed. It basically devalues picks 4 and 6 down to picks 5 and 7.

At the negotiating table we would argue that that needs to be considered.

Say if we looked forward to 2024, see no father sons nor academy kids in the top 10. We are looking like favourites for pick 1 next year. So do we split pick 1 this year or next year? Which is the better year to split?


It depends on what talent is still available 2023 v 2024. Thats the point.

 

[dinnaz]

1. What 'vibe'? It's the Vic media speculating.
2. Pick 2 for Ginbey/Hewett was a good decision.

🏖🏝 The fact that most people assume its a possibility to get is definitely a vibe.

Id still prefer 1 top tier player over 2 good players.
What will tend to happen is 14 busts and we are left looking stupid.
Eg. Hewett plays 50 games over 5 years and then gets delisted while Sheezel>Ginbey.

 

[Bacchus]

WA does not produce more players than Victoria.

Likely no top 10 WA picks this draft either.

I did not express myself clearly enough.
Of course I am aware that the greatest number of players in the AFL come from Victoria. I had in mind WC players.

 

[3agles87]

The point he's making is you hold pick 1 you have access to the #1 rated kid. No debate.

If this year we split and get picks say 5 and 6. We are likely gaining access to the 6th and 7th rated kids.

So when assessing cost v reward the quality of players available with later picks is diminished.

If there were no top 10 acadamy kids spliting picks would be much more attractive. Thats the point.

And that is fine, but the point I am making is you always have to take into account what you are trading pick 1 (the best kid) for. The club can assess whether Reid (or whoever else it may be) is worth McKercher and Sanders or whoever else it might be. If the club doesn’t like what it sees, it doesn’t make the trade.

 

[dinnaz]

who did you want with Pick 2?

Originally Cadman. Before swaps
Thinking
#1 Ashcroft
#2 Wardlaw
#3 Cadman

After the GWS swap we take out pick of Wardlaw, Sheezle, Humphrey whoever is left at 3.

Not to say our split won't work out but I think we end up better if we take the better talents rather than a spread.

 

[archiemoses]

I have a horrible feeling we'll sneak a couple of wins in the last 4 games of the season with the old boys back and North won't win another game.

Leaving us with pick 2 after this debacle of a season and with no shot at Harley Reid or any godfather offers.

 

[steve hucka]

But what kind of shite made up compensation will the AFL give us when they both return home for the devil's after we've ("developed") them?
They'll get picks, and we'd get a case of, "it's the best we can offer"

Scared money doesn't make money !!

 

[ziad]

I have a horrible feeling we'll sneak a couple of wins in the last 4 games of the season with the old boys back and North won't win another game.

Leaving us with pick 2 after this debacle of a season and with no shot at Harley Reid or any godfather offers.

have faith my child - WC will not let you down this time.

 

[Obeanie1]

Carlton are in shock. Currently hold pick 4 and the Swans pick 6.

Would not be surprised to see the Blues move McKay on to the Swans for their 1st and make a serious play.

Bother teams likely to finish a bit higher so if a trade was done Blues could hold say 5 plus 7. Plus a player ofinterest such as Carrol or a F2nd. They could come up with a decent offer.

 

[ziad]

Carlton are in shock. Currently hold pick 4 and the Swans pick 6.

Would not be surprised to see the Blues move McKay on to the Swans for their 1st and make a serious play.

Bother teams likely to finish a bit higher so if a trade was done Blues could hold say 5 plus 7. Plus a player ofinterest such as Carrol or a F2nd. They could come up with a decent offer.

Sheed was #7 so we could get a sheed and a slightly better Sheed. We need the cream that wins games. Not always pick #1 but the odd drop quickly given the exposure kids now get.

 

[briztoon]

Agree but if you have pick 1 and looking at splitting that for picks 4 and 6, they might slide to picks 5 and 7 because of Walter so the actual value of that trade declines.


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No it doesn’t, because 4 & 6, or 5 & 7, it’s still exactly the same kids YOU are drafting, regardless where academy kids are drafted.

It does matter to academy teams or teams with father sons, because it impacts on the points value of where they match picks.

For you it means diddly squat if Walter, then Cox, then Read are all bid on back to back to back, because they are club tied and are not part of YOUR drafting pool.

 

[KERRPOW]

I have a horrible feeling we'll sneak a couple of wins in the last 4 games of the season with the old boys back and North won't win another game.

Leaving us with pick 2 after this debacle of a season and with no shot at Harley Reid or any godfather offers.

With the way things are tracking I honestly cant see it.

We constantly loose 1 or 2 players per game to injury at the same time as gaining 1 or 2 players from injury.

This leads to a squad that just is not fit enough to play 4 quarters.

 

[briztoon]

Agreed. It basically devalues picks 4 and 6 down to picks 5 and 7.

At the negotiating table we would argue that that needs to be considered.

Say if we looked forward to 2024, see no father sons nor academy kids in the top 10. We are looking like favourites for pick 1 next year. So do we split pick 1 this year or next year? Which is the better year to split?


It depends on what talent is still available 2023 v 2024. Thats the point.

Guarantee there’s at least 1 top 5 father son pick next year.

 

[Obeanie1]

No it doesn’t, because 4 & 6, or 5 & 7, it’s still exactly the same kids YOU are drafting, regardless where academy kids are drafted.

It does matter to academy teams or teams with father sons, because it impacts on the points value of where they match picks.

For you it means diddly squat if Walter, then Cox, then Read are all bid on back to back to back, because they are club tied and part of YOUR drafting pool.

Dissagree.

The value of the pick is affected by how diluted the pool is.

Pick 1 this draft gets the best rated kid.

When trading that you are assess the quality of the kids you have access to. If the top 10 is diluted or drops off maybe you say no we will take one top 10 pick this but a F1st plus plus? You may elect not to trade down into a diluted pool and trade into a future less diluted draft. Or demand a quality player not a 2nd pick.

Spliting picks is more than just opportunities in the current draft.

 

[Keys]

I have a horrible feeling we'll sneak a couple of wins in the last 4 games of the season with the old boys back and North won't win another game.

Leaving us with pick 2 after this debacle of a season and with no shot at Harley Reid or any godfather offers.

If you really want to depress yourself add the possibility that North “lose” McKay to FA and receive a 1st round pick (No. 2) as compensation leaving us with pick 3

 

[Keys]

Sheed was #7 so we could get a sheed and a slightly better Sheed. We need the cream that wins games. Not always pick #1 but the odd drop quickly given the exposure kids now get.

Sheed was pick 11

 

[CountryLad]

Goes missing? Try and play HF with the midfield getting smashed.

Thanks Ashton