List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[briztoon]

I'm pretty sure May had his break out year in 2018.
He was average before that from memory.

Nah, he was already good. He just played for Gold Coast.

 

[briztoon]

Barrass is a premiership player

If he stays may be club captain

And is a B&F winner

Barrass was in the AA squad last year and arguably should’ve made the final 22

May’s best finish at GC in a B&F was 3rd. Not sure if he ever made the AA squad

Absolutely they’re comparable players

May is also a Premiership player, and was AA in 2021. Amazing the recognition you get in a good team.

 

[Rowan18]

Rioli sure, but literally nobody thinks West Coast were 'screwed over' for Brad Ebert except West Coast supporters. You drafted a kid with the most obvious go home factor in the history of the game and then dropped him to the ressies right before his contract ran out, what did you expect would happen?

Yep -he was always just a solid B grade player too. Never made All Australian squad and I'm pretty sure he didn't win a B&F at Port. A second round pick was reasonable.

 

[Rowan18]

Couple of West Coast posters were asking about Barrass and a move to the Swans.
Theres a few on the Swans board which are willing to pay truckloads to get Barrass to the Swans. Personally I think hes an excellent player, but had his chance a couple of years ago.

How about (Hypothetical and picks as they currently stand.. and considering that GWS are reportedly offering three top 10 picks for pick 1)

Barrass for p7 + Rowbottom (one of our mods thinks a good idea) - Rowbottom 22yo, 81 games, 9 clearances and 17 contested possessions in his last game
With the Salary cap you save offer Himmelberg a massive contract to replace Barrass and ensure GWS get a 1st round compo pick
Trade p1 for GWS p5,6 & 8
Trade p19 for TDK
Trade p36 for Zac Fisher
Trade p38 for Paddy Dow (you can chuck in p55 & 57 to sweeten any deals)

So you get
draft p5,6,7 & 8
Get Himmelberg - a good tall swingman
TDK a 24yo potentially good ruck fwd
Zac Fisher a 25yo WA boy small fwd 100 gamer
Paddy Dow a former p3 young big bodied midfielder
Rowbottom a 22yo very good midfielder

and you give
p1 & Barrass

All thanks to Carltons (Soss) terrible list mgt and Sydney teams paying overs

This guy trades! I love it!

 

[mattyc75]

Rioli sure, but literally nobody thinks West Coast were 'screwed over' for Brad Ebert except West Coast supporters. You drafted a kid with the most obvious go home factor in the history of the game and then dropped him to the ressies right before his contract ran out, what did you expect would happen?

Its quite amazing how ppl on here still carry on about it! The old reverse ebert has gotten a flogging over the years on here

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[DanWCE]

If Sydney don't want to pony up significantly more than pick 6 then we'll keep Tom. It's not rocket surgery

 

[Tugga27]

Nah, he was already good. He just played for Gold Coast.

Came 9th in the F&B in 2017.
I'd say that's average.

 

[Tugga27]

May is also a Premiership player, and was AA in 2021. Amazing the recognition you get in a good team.

Barrass was in the AA squad in last year in a dreadful side.

 

[Rajeshtalk]

Barrass would be a required player and has a long contract, there’s no way club would entertain anything less than two first round picks for him, they’d be loathed to part with him even then

 

[briztoon]

Barrass was in the AA squad in last year in a dreadful side.

B&F's are never good for key defenders. They're also usually a midfielders award. If a defender is winning it in a poor season for a club, well it's probably cause the midfield was crap.

The best Andrews has ever poled in ours was 4th. When he won his first AA, he came 10th in our B&F.

 

[WCE_phil]

briztoon I think you're getting to the point where arguing with a Mod on this board about a trade almost certain not to happen with a club that doesn't involve yours is getting to the point of wearing out your welcome.

Pick 6 in this draft is at best a 50/50 shot of being as good or maybe a slightly better player than Barrass. For a player who is the only reason we didn't finish last season with zero wins and who is contracted for 4 more years, 1 first round draft pick is nowhere near close to getting it done.

WCE aren't going to let him go for anything less than a top tier young talent/player + a first rounder or the equivalent of two top 10 picks. Something might head back but that's the hand when you hold all the cards.

Is Brisbane or anyone else wanted Dunkley at the end of 2021 the price was two top 10 draft picks. The big difference between being contracted and uncontracted.

Also a key position draftee is not a 13-15 year player, it's a load of shit. They are nobodies to being with, a win your position player in year 4/5 and a potential star player between years 6/7-10/11 before generally before falling away.

 

[maverick001]

I'd have him but wouldn't give too much for him.
Valued about the same as Dev Robertson?

"Zac Fisher’s future at Carlton is uncertain, despite the forward-midfielder being contracted for two more seasons.
Fisher could be on the move next season with interest certain to come from rival clubs, after he was dropped last week for a second time this season.

It is understood Fisher, who turns 25 on Thursday, is keen for more midfield time and could potentially seek more opportunities elsewhere if the Blues are open to a move.

But several clubs, including two from his native home state of Western Australia, are monitoring his current situation if he becomes available.

Fisher possesses speed and can provide a spark, but he has become one of the Blues’ whipping boys this season, at times falling out of favour with the coaching staff and the fans.

In July last year he signed a contract extension with the Blues that takes him through until the end of 2025 season.

He spent his first three years at the club fighting for a midfield spot but became more of a small forward in the back end of the 2020 season."

He's better than our fringe players and is the age bracket we need reinforcements in at the moment. So if its for pick 50+ then do it.

 

[ROO DOGG]

If Sydney don't want to pony up significantly more than pick 6 then we'll keep Tom. It's not rocket surgery

Rocket surgery, that sounds like our medical team.

 

[maverick001]

Gems from the Port board.

Cmon. FFS.

Dear God they are insane

Although they might come on our board and see Barrass for Warner + 1st rounder and think the same

 

[maverick001]

Barrass has just bought a house in Peppermint Grove. I’d be very surprised if he agrees to be traded.

TB and his partner were in the room next to us after giving birth at SJOGH earlier this year.

Absolutely no use to anyone but just thought I'd add.

I left him in peace.

 

[maverick001]

So:
Sell Barrass
Id take anything top 10, with extras would be nice.

Get McGovern jr cheap. A stopgap player yes, but covers us defensively and will be an upgrade on Rotham/Foley and can play fwd too.

Deven, our pick in the 50's should do it.
Georgiades #1 PSD

Id inquire about T. Rivers, would be a nice fit and cost us pick #36

Hit the draft hard while also bringing in players with proven performances and genuine upside.

Melbourne would not take 36 for Rivers

 

[The Stid]

K
Just need to convince Barrass to move.

Which I doubt will happen.

FWIW, He seems close with his sister & his sister lives in Sydney. Not saying he’ll definitely leave for that reason but it’s perhaps not out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Farang83150]

FWIW, He seems close with his sister & his sister lives in Sydney. Not saying he’ll definitely leave for that reason but it’s perhaps not out of the realm of possibility.

Post that on the Sydney board.

 

[Matera92]

TB and his partner were in the room next to us after giving birth at SJOGH earlier this year.

Absolutely no use to anyone but just thought I'd add.

I left him in peace.

Just a fan not obsessed clearly.

 

[maverick001]

You screwed us over by trading down the pick that was discussed with us, to a lesser pick.

The sleazy sleight of hand has never been forgotten by the West Coast faithful.

It's one of the reasons that your Club is despised and disliked in The West.

You got yourself a good trade win, but then you rubbed our noses in it with the last minute by being deceitful.

Isn't this exactly what they did with Rioli too

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

More than just one.

Some go for longer than others

 

[mattyc75]

briztoon I think you're getting to the point where arguing with a Mod on this board about a trade almost certain not to happen with a club that doesn't involve yours is getting to the point of wearing out your welcome.

Pick 6 in this draft is at best a 50/50 shot of being as good or maybe a slightly better player than Barrass. For a player who is the only reason we didn't finish last season with zero wins and who is contracted for 4 more years, 1 first round draft pick is nowhere near close to getting it done.

WCE aren't going to let him go for anything less than a top tier young talent/player + a first rounder or the equivalent of two top 10 picks. Something might head back but that's the hand when you hold all the cards.

Is Brisbane or anyone else wanted Dunkley at the end of 2021 the price was two top 10 draft picks. The big difference between being contracted and uncontracted.

Also a key position draftee is not a 13-15 year player, it's a load of s**t. They are nobodies to being with, a win your position player in year 4/5 and a potential star player between years 6/7-10/11 before generally before falling away.

If pick 6 in this draft is a 50/50 chance then i hope we stay with reid
Also wouldnt entertain trading out of next years first round to get another pick in this years draft as i think youve advocated

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[AsterixTheGaul]

B&F's are never good for key defenders. They're also usually a midfielders award. If a defender is winning it in a poor season for a club, well it's probably cause the midfield was crap.

The best Andrews has ever poled in ours was 4th. When he won his first AA, he came 10th in our B&F.

That may be your club’s B&F but not at West Coast. In our short history, it has been won 13 times by a defender (the vast majority by a KPD) and 5 times by a small forward or ruck meaning less than half the wins are by a stat gathering midfielder. And McGovern for a while there was an unlucky multiple runner up while an AA as other AA players pipped him.

Our club, like Essendon, value talls differently. That is the case is salary, who we hand the captaincy to and B&F polling.

I suggest you refrain from pretending to know how every club works and stick to you views on young talent. Other than that, do your research before making bold statements.

And if your best view of a trade is to use a Suns pre-agent who would not commit to stay, looked like he was Melbourne bound the next year and a player with a temper having had fights with team mates as an example, have a look at the Bowes deal and see how they value picks.

 

[ziad]

briztoon I think you're getting to the point where arguing with a Mod on this board about a trade almost certain not to happen with a club that doesn't involve yours is getting to the point of wearing out your welcome.

Pick 6 in this draft is at best a 50/50 shot of being as good or maybe a slightly better player than Barrass. For a player who is the only reason we didn't finish last season with zero wins and who is contracted for 4 more years, 1 first round draft pick is nowhere near close to getting it done.

WCE aren't going to let him go for anything less than a top tier young talent/player + a first rounder or the equivalent of two top 10 picks. Something might head back but that's the hand when you hold all the cards.

Is Brisbane or anyone else wanted Dunkley at the end of 2021 the price was two top 10 draft picks. The big difference between being contracted and uncontracted.

Also a key position draftee is not a 13-15 year player, it's a load of s**t. They are nobodies to being with, a win your position player in year 4/5 and a potential star player between years 6/7-10/11 before generally before falling away.

All logical. The question is, is Tom interested and will Sydney actually make an offer. They may shift their strategy from luring our Runcks to KP Players? It has worked in the past.
I cannot see it happening, but then my wife said Tom has a sister in Sydney.

 

[The Stid]

All logical. The question is, is Tom interested and will Sydney actually make an offer. They may shift their strategy from luring our Runcks to KP Players? It has worked in the past.
I cannot see it happening, but then my wife said Tom has a sister in Sydney.

FWIW, He seems close with his sister & his sister lives in Sydney. Not saying he’ll definitely leave for that reason but it’s perhaps not out of the realm of possibility.

Just to clear up any potential confusion…. I am not Ziads wife