List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

[Keys]

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[Forward Press]

How do you feel about pick 19 instead?

The only way to get any value out of Georgiades is to re-sign him. If he requests a trade to West Coast, the planets have aligned to screw us over as hard as we could possibly be screwed over in the deal. He's injured, he was out of form before he was injured, he's out of contract, his destination club has #1 in the PSD, and his destination club hates us after the Rioli deal. We'll get a half eaten sandwich for him.

This guy actually gets it at least.

 

[briztoon]

Wasn't Steven May a high end pick when he went to Melbourne?

Pick 6. Younger and better player. Think he had 1 year left on his contract.

 

[Monocle]

Show me a recent comparable deal, for a key defender that involves a top 10 pick.

I pointed out that the Dunkley trade wasn't comparable. Yes he was contracted, but there was no top 10 pick involved, and the picks that were involved are unlikely to get you a trade in to the top 10.


Unless any such trade discussions involve a Brisbane player, I'm trying to offer a neutral perspective in such discussions, as I don't have any biases towards either team.

Dunkley was out of contract.

Show me a trade for a player that still had four years on his contract and what it cost the poaching side.

You seem to be ignoring that he is contracted to West Coast for another FOUR years and treat it as a matter that holds little weight in any trade negotiations.

 

[Schulzenfest]

This guy actually gets it at least.

To be fair, I think Georgiades is easily worth pick 19 and probably more. Unfortunately for us (and fortunately for you) circumstances have conspired that if he requests a trade to West Coast we won't get anywhere near what he's worth.

 

[briztoon]

I thought the mantra leading up to last year's draft was all about how this year's draft was some kinda superdraft.

If so, then your picks of 1,7,19,22,26,35 should give us 6 bodies capable of playing AFL football. Take it....we need as many in this year as possible.

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12 months ago, kids like Duursma and Moir we expected/hoped for to be pushing Reid, and be in that top tier of kids.

That hasn't happened.

 

[ghostbat12]

Anyone but me would like to see us add Jeremy Sharp from GC?

Id rather bulk out our list this way then trying to split all our picks.

Oh great, the annual “let’s take delisting fodder from other clubs because they are west Australian and therefore superhuman” post.

 

[Monocle]

To be fair, I think Georgiades is easily worth pick 19 and probably more. Unfortunately for us (and fortunately for you) circumstances have conspired that if he requests a trade to West Coast we won't get anywhere near what he's worth.

Excellent............ Willie Rioli say hi.

Never nice to be shafted in a trade.

Sometimes it comes back to bite you on the arse when you screw Clubs over in trades.

Your mob have done it twice to us over the years:

Ebert
Rioli

Turnabout is fair play.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Excellent............ Willie Rioli say hi.

Never nice to be shafted in a trade.

Sometimes it comes back to bite you on the arse when you screw Clubs over in trades.

Your mob have done it twice to us over the years:

Ebert
Rioli

Turnabout is fair play.

Rioli sure, but literally nobody thinks West Coast were 'screwed over' for Brad Ebert except West Coast supporters. You drafted a kid with the most obvious go home factor in the history of the game and then dropped him to the ressies right before his contract ran out, what did you expect would happen?

 

[Keys]

Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

33

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

(& Kade Kolodjashnij

16

Kade Kolodjashnij

Age

29

Ht

190cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

2.1

4star

CL

0.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

19.8

5star

K

11.8

5star

HB

8.0

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.8

4star

CL

1.2

4star

) were traded to Melbourne by Gold Coast for pick 6 in 2018

He was 26 when traded and turned 27 in January of his 1st year at Melbourne. Barrass turns 28 in October so will be about 16 months older than May was

May was a promising player at Gold Coast but hadn’t yet established himself as the player he became at Melbourne. He was also a bit of a loose canon and was due to come out of contract and into FA the following year

Sydney have gone from a grand finalist to a bottom 6 club without their KPDs. Paddy Mac is probably done and Rampe hasn’t got much left. If they want to maximise their midfield group they’ll need a bookend.

Getting Barrass would absolutely be worth a top 10 pick for Sydney

 

[SGBeach]

Couple of West Coast posters were asking about Barrass and a move to the Swans.
Theres a few on the Swans board which are willing to pay truckloads to get Barrass to the Swans. Personally I think hes an excellent player, but had his chance a couple of years ago.

How about (Hypothetical and picks as they currently stand.. and considering that GWS are reportedly offering three top 10 picks for pick 1)

Barrass for p7 + Rowbottom (one of our mods thinks a good idea) - Rowbottom 22yo, 81 games, 9 clearances and 17 contested possessions in his last game
With the Salary cap you save offer Himmelberg a massive contract to replace Barrass and ensure GWS get a 1st round compo pick
Trade p1 for GWS p5,6 & 8
Trade p19 for TDK
Trade p36 for Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

Trade p38 for Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

(you can chuck in p55 & 57 to sweeten any deals)

So you get
draft p5,6,7 & 8
Get Himmelberg - a good tall swingman
TDK a 24yo potentially good ruck fwd
Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

a 25yo WA boy small fwd 100 gamer
Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

a former p3 young big bodied midfielder
Rowbottom a 22yo very good midfielder

and you give
p1 & Barrass

All thanks to Carltons (Soss) terrible list mgt and Sydney teams paying overs

 

[briztoon]

Dunkley was out of contract.

Show me a trade for a player that still had four years on his contract and what it cost the poaching side.

You seem to be ignoring that he is contracted to West Coast for another FOUR years and treat it as a matter that holds little weight in any trade negotiations.

I'm not ignoring that. I acknowledged that in my reply to Keys.

But I countered that with he's older than your typical restricted free agent, and possibly only has 4 years of top line footy left in him.

Pick 6 alone is a high price for possibly only 4 years of a player.

I'm looking at the risk reward for Sydney in such a trade.

Pick 6 could be Dan Curtin or Connor O'Sullivan, Nate Caddy or Archer Reid, a 12 year player for Sydney. Yes he'd be young, but they have a young list, with the potential to add 3 more top 30 picks this year, to a young group that should keep them in finals contention for the next decade or so.

You're proposed trade potentially removes the best two of those picks this year, for a player that may only have 4 years left in him. He may decide to head back to WA after that contract, even if he still has more football in him.

 

[briztoon]

Steven May (& Kade Kolodjashnij) were traded to Melbourne by Gold Coast for pick 6 in 2018

He was 26 when traded and turned 27 in January of his 1st year at Melbourne. Barrass turns 28 in October so will be about 16 months older than May was

May was a promising player at Gold Coast but hadn’t yet established himself as the player he became at Melbourne. He was also a bit of a loose canon and was due to come out of contract and into FA the following year

Sydney have gone from a grand finalist to a bottom 6 club without their KPDs. Paddy Mac is probably done and Rampe hasn’t got much left. If they want to maximise their midfield group they’ll need a bookend.

Getting Barrass would absolutely be worth a top 10 pick for Sydney

Sorry Keys , but that's flat out b.s. (no disrespect directed towards you here). May was GC's captain and was already a gun. He was playing in a poor team, that got very little coverage, and he was/is a campaigner to boot. Very much off broadway, but was very well established as a gun defender in the competition.

Edit: Kolodjashnij was a known 1 concussion injury away from retirement, and I'm sure was out of contract. Good kid, better than his brother, but was a strange decision for Melbourne to take him as well. I'm sure GC was going to delist him.

 

[Monocle]

Rioli sure, but literally nobody thinks West Coast were 'screwed over' for Brad Ebert except West Coast supporters. You drafted a kid with the most obvious go home factor in the history of the game and then dropped him to the ressies right before his contract ran out, what did you expect would happen?

You screwed us over by trading down the pick that was discussed with us, to a lesser pick.

The sleazy sleight of hand has never been forgotten by the West Coast faithful.

It's one of the reasons that your Club is despised and disliked in The West.

You got yourself a good trade win, but then you rubbed our noses in it with the last minute by being deceitful.

 

[Keys]

Rioli sure, but literally nobody thinks West Coast were 'screwed over' for Brad Ebert except West Coast supporters. You drafted a kid with the most obvious go home factor in the history of the game and then dropped him to the ressies right before his contract ran out, what did you expect would happen?

Georgiades is coming off an ACL and was outside your best 22 when he did it

Tell me again how he’s worth pick 19

And a former pick 13 with 4 years in the system and 76 games was absolutely worth more than pick 28

We were screwed and the only people who think otherwise are Port supporters.

 

[Schulzenfest]

You screwed us over by trading down the pick that was discussed with us, to a lesser pick.

The sleazy sleight of hand has never been forgotten by the West Coast faithful.

It's one of the reasons that your Club is despised and disliked in The West.

You got yourself a good trade win, but then you rubbed our noses in it with the last minute by being deceitful.

If you've been holding a grudge over a four pick downgrade in the third round for the past 10 years, you might want to seek therapy.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Georgiades is coming off an ACL and was outside your best 22 when he did it

Tell me again how he’s worth pick 19

And a former pick 13 with 4 years in the system and 76 games was absolutely worth more than pick 28

We were screwed and the only people who think otherwise are Port supporters.

Why did you include 'outside your best 22' in your assessment of Georgiades but not your assessment of Ebert? Ebert was playing ressies when he asked for a trade, was he not?

I fully agree that due to circumstance we won't get pick 19 for Georgiades, let alone more. But if given the choice between keeping Georgiades or swapping him for pick 19, I'd keep him every time.

 

[briztoon]

Steven May (& Kade Kolodjashnij) were traded to Melbourne by Gold Coast for pick 6 in 2018

He was 26 when traded and turned 27 in January of his 1st year at Melbourne. Barrass turns 28 in October so will be about 16 months older than May was

May was a promising player at Gold Coast but hadn’t yet established himself as the player he became at Melbourne. He was also a bit of a loose canon and was due to come out of contract and into FA the following year

Sydney have gone from a grand finalist to a bottom 6 club without their KPDs. Paddy Mac is probably done and Rampe hasn’t got much left. If they want to maximise their midfield group they’ll need a bookend.

Getting Barrass would absolutely be worth a top 10 pick for Sydney

100% agree here. It's the add ons that are up for discussion.

 

[Monocle]

You're proposed trade

What was "MY" proposed trade?

 

[Keys]

Sorry Keys , but that's flat out b.s. (no disrespect directed towards you here). May was GC's captain and was already a gun. He was playing in a poor team, that got very little coverage, and he was/is a campaigner to boot. Very much off broadway, but was very well established as a gun defender in the competition.

Edit: Kolodjashnij was a known 1 concussion injury away from retirement, and I'm sure was out of contract. Good kid, better than his brother, but was a strange decision for Melbourne to take him as well. I'm sure GC was going to delist him.

Barrass is a premiership player

If he stays may be club captain

And is a B&F winner

Barrass was in the AA squad last year and arguably should’ve made the final 22

May’s best finish at GC in a B&F was 3rd. Not sure if he ever made the AA squad

Absolutely they’re comparable players

 

[Monocle]

100% agree here. It's the add ons that are up for discussion.

So you are now finally acknowledging that the concept of "the add ons might need to come in play".

 

[Monocle]

If you've been holding a grudge over a four pick downgrade in the third round for the past 10 years, you might want to seek therapy.

And you may want to learnt that integrity still holds value in other parts of Australia outside Port Adelaide.

 

[twce13]

Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

for pick 38.. ewwww

 

[briztoon]

What was "MY" proposed trade?

Well if it wasn't your proposed tarde, the post I replied to propose: pick 6, pick 22 and possibly a later pick. There were also proposed trades of pick 6 and McDonald, and others where Sydney were paying pick 6 and Chad Warner.

I've said pick 6 on it's own is agreeable. If you want Sydney to include pick 44 (their 5th pick) and maybe do a late pick swap of 44 for 55, that's ok.

But I believe asking for any combination of pick 6 plus one of the following; pick 22, or Logan McDonald, or Chad Warner is asking for too much.

 

[Tugga27]

Sorry Keys , but that's flat out b.s. (no disrespect directed towards you here). May was GC's captain and was already a gun. He was playing in a poor team, that got very little coverage, and he was/is a campaigner to boot. Very much off broadway, but was very well established as a gun defender in the competition.

Edit: Kolodjashnij was a known 1 concussion injury away from retirement, and I'm sure was out of contract. Good kid, better than his brother, but was a strange decision for Melbourne to take him as well. I'm sure GC was going to delist him.

I'm pretty sure May had his break out year in 2018.
He was average before that from memory.

 

[briztoon]

So you are now finally acknowledging that the concept of "the add ons might need to come in play".



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No. Unless they're late token'ish pick swaps. Say Sydney's pick 44 for WC's pick 55.