List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[bzparkes]

Can't believe the royalist's called it Burma

Come on, pretty much everyone in Thailand calls it Burma also. At least, those close to the border.

 

[THE A5]

Moir see’s himself as a bigbodied mid at the next level and is currently playing HF. He could essentially be the type of Player that TK was for Geelong for us. Just a pure goal kicking mid. Core of Ginbey, Hewett and Culley feeding him and Chesser

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I ****ed him off for LDU before his price plummeted

Yeah I have him in draft and had gaff as my bench mid who replaced him after round 2 just wondering if its worth waiting for his form to change or has dunkley and ashcroft screwed him

 

[Doashuey]

Might've just saved yourself from the pile-on with this.

Might have just saved all of us from 3 pages of dickheads sprouting overused, unfunny repetition of "Moir kicks on both feet"

 

[Obeanie1]

If Barnett can not only get back to his high level fitness base but improve on it he could well be a full field utility like Blicavs. Not quite as agile but better forward of the ball and has a great ability to read the play anywhere on the ground. It's a stretch but i dont believe it's beyond the realms of possibility.

You don't pick a third tall forward, defender or second ruck. He can play any position depending on the situation and can link kup around the ground. Allows 2 genuine small forwards, 2 genuine Half forwards and 4 small/medium defenders no matter who you play. You have 6 genuine talls in your best 22 and need one of your mid sized forwards or mids to be able to play as a marking forward and a guy in defence who can player taller than he is.

So in essence
2 key forwards
2 key defenders
1 genuine first ruck
Barnett
4 small/medium forwards
4 small/medium defenders
8 midfielders
Sub.

Barnett becomes your player who depending on your opponent you use to take advantage of whichever weakness they have.

Also Jack Williams showed a shitload more than I was expecting last year. I really didn't rate him in his draft year but thought he was very good as a developing tall. Absolutely want to see another year or two before making a decision. I didn't think he was agile enough but he so far has shown me to be wrong and secondly I agree there is something about him, a drive and will to make the contest and compete that I like a lot.

I think Barnett and English in season 2025 would be a great ruck pairing.

Both can play forward. Either can lead the ruck. Barnett would be 21 and English 28.

Assumption is we land English as a FA.

 

[Obeanie1]

Moir is a tricky prospect for me, I love him and I think he’s a class player, but like some others have said - I don’t see him being a bonafide midfield star by any means, I think he’ll be a forward for his career and occasionally be able to pinch hit in midfield

I’m not sure I’d spend a top 3 pick on that archetype despite how much I like him and how confident I am in him becoming a very good player

Moir is projecting as a Nick Daicos level talent but as a forward who can kick goals on either foot from outside 50.

186cm and he see's himself as an inside mid.

What more do you want?

Harley Ried is a clear pick 1 and seen as a utility who can play anywhere.

We lack top shelf class. And I would love Moir even at pick 2.

 

[Farang83150]

Might have just saved all of us from 3 pages of dickheads sprouting overused, unfunny repetition of "Moir kicks on both feet"

Oh you dinnnt!!

 

[Avalor]

Unless Moir drops down the order, I’m not sure how you’re getting him after splitting a top 3 pick.

Yep, will go in the top 3. If we want him, there will be no split picking.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Moir see’s himself as a bigbodied mid at the next level and is currently playing HF. He could essentially be the type of Player that TK was for Geelong for us. Just a pure goal kicking mid. Core of Ginbey, Hewett and Culley feeding him and Chesser

Same deal with Tholstrup. Whoever drafts these guys is moving them into the middle.

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[Mop]

Nah that would be true if schoey was talking about Mop

I’m blocked he won’t talk to me, remember ?

Which reminds me, I should block you

 

[WCE_phil]

As it stands I a bit like AsterixTheGaul also look more at best fit for the team, rather than just best pure talent.

Duursma at this stage is a better fit for the team as he looks more likely at this stage to play more midfield and be more powerful through the midfield. He is still an elite kick and a very good kick on his opposite foot if not the outstanding kick off both feat that Moir is.

The only other negatives in comparison I can see with Moir is he can be a little bit (alright maybe more than a little bit) too focussed on his own game as opposed to the team and his consistency is a bit more up and down.

Moir is better one on one in a marking contest, Duursma is better on the lead and in the air. (even though I think Moir has a slightly better leap)

Both have elite game sense.

Duursma has better hands in the contest, Moir is a touch better off the ground.

Duursma is 4 and a half months younger than Moir. Duursma already has experience playing against men, as far as I know Moir doesn't.

Duursma's older brother is already an established talent at AFL level and Zane is a better player than him at the same stage. He's better in the air, bigger and has better skills.

Moir has top 3 in the league player upside but Duursma is still an absolutely outstanding talent and likely the highest level talent to any team he heads to. Duursma to me potentially rounds out our future Midfield combination through the centre.

There is one huge downside to drafting Zane. Port will chase him in 2/3 years and will chase him hard. I've seen it twice now when brought up about playing with his brother and each time his body language has said to me that is a preference however I have seen it multiple times before where once in the system and apart of a senior team they want to forge their own paths.

It's a bloody long season and there is a lot of water to go under the bridge. At this stage I would draft Duursma but there are at least another 5 players who could genuinely push to be a top 3 pick.

Also I really want another pick in this years first round particularly at around that pick 13-18 bracket. There are multiple talls, mids and Koltyn Tholstrup likely to fall in that bracket. I still really want Tholstrup as a pick and think outside of a blinding contribution in the champs will actually slide in there as he will likely play WAFL seniors most of the year and not get much time further up the ground. Will play some midfield time but I personally see him more as a very classy HF.

Also if we want more of just a marking midsize forward with footy smarts I think Jack Delean will slide as these players tend to not get drafted at the point of their talent level. He could very well be there for our nominal second rounder and would be a great pick at that stage. Could very well be our Bailey Fritsch type.

In regards to our future first ruck, the great hope is that Alex Condon comes back to footy with the Eagles really flexing some financial muscle to make it happen. If he does all it costs is money (outside of the cap too) and we have a top 3 in the league ruck prospect. (I've mentioned this privately but I don't think he has what it takes to make it at NBA level or even to be drafted to the NBA, however Euro leagues have a fair amount of cash and I know he prefers basketball over footy so it would take a lot to pry him away)

Duursma is my riser for the year as of all the HF prospects who will move to midfield I see him as the best midfield prospect (outside of Harley Reid who really wasn't a HF prospect but a play anywhere on the field and he will dominate player)

My other watch for the year is Nate Caddy. He is both one of my most loved and hated players in the draft pool. Look out for the second half of the season if he is moved to the midfield. We could very well have an explosive Patrick Cripps

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Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

on our hands or he just ends up a mid sized forward with a lot of strength but an average kick.

Also Nick Watson, watched a replay of his game on the weekend today. If he was even 175cm he'd be a top 2 pick imo and likely an absolute standout to a mid table team or a team with multiple firsts but at 170cm I just see him as too much of a risk. He's the only other player in the pool with potential higher game and goal sense than either of Harley Reid or Ashton Moir.

 

[Mop]

Interesting little snippet of news that I learnt today, watching Gettable with Cal and Riley.

They interviewed Ashton Moir.

He is a West Coast supporter, as is his Mum.

Mum is an Australian Olympian and is from Perth, he has grandparent is Perth.
He is off Burmese heritage.

me thinks that just removed the flight risk question that I had in my mind.

I currently have him in my top four in this years cohort.

Consequently i will be tracking his progress this year ever closer .

For those who haven't seen the kid play, he is a freak kicks off both feet on the run and set shots.

They asked him in the interview whats his preferred foot and he said he doesn't have one and it depends where he is on the ground.
Also said the dual sidedness of his games helps him weave and work his way out of traffic.





Late Edit: I see this news has already been posted, however I will keep the post as the kids needs some fans.... I am one.

So I’ll ask you, WCE_phil andAsterixTheGaul. I have a gun to both of your heads like the Hawaiian shirt wearing terrorist I am. I make you pick today as our draft pick stands (pick 3) We taking Curtin or Moir and why?

 

[WCE_phil]

So I’ll ask you, WCE_phil andAsterixTheGaul. I have a gun to both of your heads like the Hawaiian shirt wearing terrorist I am. I make you pick today as our draft pick stands (pick 3) We taking Curtin or Moir and why?

Assuming Curtin has a standout year up forward and I mean gut running like Nick Riewoldt and Goal Kicking like Amiss in his draft year you take the Key forward every time. If he doesn't have a standout year then Duursma, Moir or potentially 5 others.

Also holding a gun to someones head is nowhere near the best idea in a combat situation. You'd be better off holding it standing 2 metres away pointed at the centre of the chest in a steady position supported by your other hand on your wrist.

The other reason to go the key forward is there is a multitude of quality HF types in this draft.

 

[Mop]

Assuming Curtin has a standout year up forward and I mean gut running like Nick Riewoldt and Goal Kicking like Amiss in his draft year you take the Key forward every time. If he doesn't have a standout year then Duursma, Moir or potentially 5 others.

Would you expect him to have that level of impact? I know he’s got hype buried under the Harley Reid dynasty express

Also holding a gun to someones head is nowhere near the best idea in a combat situation. You'd be better off holding it standing 2 metres away pointed at the centre of the chest in a steady position supported by your other hand on your wrist.

Hmm. Maybe not but psychologically at eye level it’s not a lot of fun.

To be honest, when I was studying criminology they always said the knife is psychologically a much stronger weapon

 

[WCE_phil]

Would you expect him to have that level of impact? I know he’s got hype buried under the Harley Reid dynasty express

Hmm. Maybe not but psychologically at eye level it’s not a lot of fun.

To be honest, when I was studying criminology they always said the knife is psychologically a much stronger weapon

No, I don't expect Curtain to have anywhere near that level of impact. But if he can drive at the ball carrier on the lead, make multiple leads and take contested marks in the same fashion as he reads the play coming at him then Curtain is still very hard to pass up.

But as stated I would really want another pick in between 13-18. I want one of the classy HF types out of this draft.

It's like asking do you take peak years Franklin or peak years JK. Franklin is the better player and field kick, However with his style of play and type of talent you can't build a side around him. I'd take peak Kennedy every day of the weak.

 

[WCE_phil]

Oh and in regards to combat most people carrying guns and holding them to peoples heads aren't combat experts or all that sharp. I'd rather face off with a guy with a gun to my head than being holed up in an alley against a guy with a razor sharp machete. Gun to the head you need a less than half a second distraction and you'll lose hearing for a bit or even potential permanent damage to your hearing but you'll live. In an alleyway against a guy with a quality blade, no thanks.

Also because if you **** up on the gun to head you're gone instantly, I'd prefer that over getting chopped up.

 

[CountryLad]

Moir is a tricky prospect for me, I love him and I think he’s a class player, but like some others have said - I don’t see him being a bonafide midfield star by any means, I think he’ll be a forward for his career and occasionally be able to pinch hit in midfield

I’m not sure I’d spend a top 3 pick on that archetype despite how much I like him and how confident I am in him becoming a very good player

I guess clubs would and are willing to spend a top pick on Rankine.

Lecras was so important in our forward set up because it meant we didn’t just require our key forwards kicking bags.

If Moir can hit the scoreboard as a medium forward and be A grade at it I’m okay with it.

 

[CountryLad]

No I missed it.

Thats quite a complement to Moir, I do get the similarity.

Edit ( seems my theme for the night ).... just watched it.

Just quietly Will Patton is a pretty talented player himself.

I haven’t seen a lot of Moir but everyone talks about his kicking.

Having the ability to use both sides and being an elite kick is he one of those players that has played juniors as a half forward but could become that damaging half back like a Dacios or Sheezle at AFL level?

 

[FKASC]

Combat, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Never Too Early To Die Edition

 

[eagles rule]

Unless Moir drops down the order, I’m not sure how you’re getting him after splitting a top 3 pick.

The only way to be a chance is to lock in Pick 1 then look for bidders ..


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[Monocle]

So I’ll ask you, WCE_phil andAsterixTheGaul. I have a gun to both of your heads like the Hawaiian shirt wearing terrorist I am. I make you pick today as our draft pick stands (pick 3) We taking Curtin or Moir and why?

My input similar to Phils reply.

Always take the tall if the quality is deemed =.

For what its worth ( very little at this juncture of the assessment process ) my ratings:

1. Reid
2. Duursma
3. Curtain and Moir on the same line.

I suspect come draft week, both Curtin and Moir slid from that position and that Duursma will be pushing hard for No # 1, but Reid holds it due to two years body of work.

Duursma I can see at some point in time, taking Charlie home on Brownlow Night.

Additionally come draft week, I expect that at least 4 others will be strongly in the conversation for picks 2 and 3.

As for holding a gun to my head .......... you best hope that Rips not around, because if he is, you wont get to fire a shot and you are as good as on your way to the train station.

 

[Monocle]

I haven’t seen a lot of Moir but everyone talks about his kicking.

Having the ability to use both sides and being an elite kick is he one of those players that has played juniors as a half forward but could become that damaging half back like a Dacios or Sheezle at AFL level?

His overhead marking is also a feature that separates him from the pair you mention ........ yes he could play as an attacking HBF.... but I dont know why you would do that at the expense of sacrificing his score board inpact forward of centre.

 

[WCE_phil]

His overhead marking is also a feature that separates him from the pair you mention ........ yes he could play as an attacking HBF.... but I dont know why you would do that at the expense of sacrificing his score board inpact forward of centre.

Moir at HB intrigues me. I think primarily as from what i've seen everything just seems so natural to him as a forward. But then the same could have been said about Jack Martin. I'm not certain he would impact at HB the same way as Daicos or Sheezel did/have.

Both Daicos and Sheezel by the end of their draft years (in Sheezel's case) shown to be exceptional accumulators as well, which is one area where Moir really hasn't shown that yet. So i'm not certain at this stage he would be elite behind the ball.

Before Moir is knocking down the door as a top 2/3 pick I need to see him get some more of the ball and make some more team oriented decisions consistently. On talent he's there but as I, yourself and others have noted it's a very long year.

You know I also almost wouldn't mind GC finishing 17th and taking Moir as he's just such a GC type pick. Take the hard choice away if you will.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Also Nick Watson, watched a replay of his game on the weekend today. If he was even 175cm he'd be a top 2 pick imo and likely an absolute standout to a mid table team or a team with multiple firsts but at 170cm I just see him as too much of a risk. He's the only other player in the pool with potential higher game and goal sense than either of Harley Reid or Ashton Moir.

At his current height, is he getting drafted? If so, what draft pick would you be willing to spend on him?

There's a few players at the 171-172cm height and they're damn good footballers, every chance Watson grows a couple extra cm.

What are your thoughts on pilfering our 2024 draft picks to grab more 2023 picks? The view that eagles are bottoming would give our 2024 draft picks a lot of weight. Some mid-table clubs might be willing to punt on trading their rd1 pick for our F1 expecting it to be top 3. Would love to go into this years draft with two top 10 picks, but if we are trading out a top 3 future pick, what is the opportunity cost there in terms of talent (say 2023 pick 10 vs 2024 pick 3)?

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Just watched the latest edition of Gettables - i think Moir has to be our man. He has family in Perth, and supports the Eagles. He is so well spoken and not a big-headed twat. There would be no flight risk.
Come on down Moir.

I'd much rather Moir than Duursma, I'm not huge on Duursma. He can be flashy, but nothing that I get excited about. Where Moir like Phil said has truckloads of talent and a very very high ceiling - he just needs the application (which he may well have).

I also am keen to see Duursma stop playing the Fritsch role up forward and see what he can do in the midfield, he seems a bit one trick pony at the moment. But in saying that, this is coming off his underage year so I am keen to see his development this season.

Curtin, is one which a heap of talent and looks to be the type that really applies himself. My only knock is if he's injury prone.

My top 10 heading into this season are:

1. Reid - no explanation needed.
2. Curtin - mobile key position player with amazing skills, can plan fwd and back. Reminds me of Pavlich, the way he moves and versatility.
3. Moir - skills to pay the bills. This guy can turn a game quickly, with elite skills and looks to have amazing athleticism.
Slight drop off
4. Archer Reid - 200cm key forward who is very agile, love the way he lays tackles in the forward 50 and can snap goals like a small, can take a contested grab too.
5. Lorenz - looks to have a huge ceiling, still scrawny but has great talent and a lovely left foot. Goal kicking mid in the vein of Josh Kelly.
6. Duursma - spring loaded mid sized forward. See above
7. Jed Walter - Gold Coast academy, big boy who moves quite well and crashes packs as a key forward.
8. Nick Watson - agree with Rana on him in terms of talent, he's quite possibly second best for talent in the draft but his size holds him back IMO. He is best small forward I've seen come through. I also think his size might mean his range is 15-35.
9. Colby McKercher - balanced midfielder with good tank, speed and knows how to accumulate. It's his speed from stoppages I like the most.
10. Philaciides - rebounding defender with awesome speed and run and carry, quite a good kick too.

Knocking on the door: Caddy, Delean, Watson, Edwards.