List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[Bleedblueandgold]

meh u long time Hansum Man

How long u stay?

 

[briztoon]

It's mostly the women, tbh.

Well I’m already married, so wasn’t about to list that.

 

[Schtinker]

Well I’m already married, so wasn’t about to list that.

You can look but don't touch

 

[briztoon]

For me its the weather and investments. Certains cities are currently seeing huge growth and the way they develop condo's there if you buy in early you get heavily discounted pricing. You need to pick a major developer with a good track record in the right area and you won't see a rental return for about 4 years but once the compound is finished you see roughly a 40-50% capital gain on the initial buy price and then rental returns well above 10% based on what you paid, particularly if you finish things off yourself and decorate in the style of a hotel room.

Cebu has been a mecca for it in past years but the everyday people and more investors have cottoned on over the last 12 months pushing prices even on early stage developments significantly higher. So the boom time to buy there is just about done. A few months after the last major Typhoon was literally the perfect storm to buy.

Still deciding where to live long term but will likely buy land under the mrs name, have her offer me a 50 year fixed lease with a 25% option on it and then build myself in the hills above. Nice and central, can travel pretty much anywhere in SE asia all on the cheap. You just have to know the cultural situation and how corruption works there and use it in your favour rather than have it used to curtail your interests.

Davao City and Bohol will likely be the next places of interest. Once construction of the bridge from Mactan to Bohol starts then condo's and land on the other side of the bridge are going to be great cash cows.

I am lucky that I have 2 younger step cousins who are very trustworthy and are half Filipino (born there) so have been able to form a corporation whereby I have control and can purchase more than 10 condo's. Normally as a foreign investor in a corporation it requires 60% Filipino ownership across a group of 5 people. So i'm on there, my mrs is on there, my son and my 2 step cousins. So I have 80% even without my mrs control meaning even if one of the relationships falls apart I still have absolute power.

Corruption is a major issue in all of these countries however people can say im a bigot all they like but I prefer countries without a Muslim Majority and government as I've seen a lot of things turn sour for people very quickly due to strict interpretations of religious beliefs. I speak Tagalog very well but do get looked down on at times for not speaking Bisaya in Cebu in particular. However having my mrs arrive to meetings earlier and sit away from where i'm discussing business is great as I get a translation of what their goals are after meetings and also all the s**t they talk about me.

So I quite like the Philippines, Vietnam and Thailand for business. Malaysia and Indonesia not so much.

Literally was just looking at photos of my mother in laws most recent shop house purchase and finishing touches and furnishings. In one of Vin Groups Phu Quoc developments.

That is her business. Buying property off the plan. Kitting it out, and then renting it out through an agency.

This one is in the new Venice inspired development on the north of the island.

And Vietnam is expected to change ownership laws by the end of the year, allowing foreign investment ownership of land and property.

 

[briztoon]

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Literally was just looking at photos of my mother in laws most recent shop house purchase and finishing touches and furnishings. In one of Vin Groups Phu Quoc developments.

That is her business. Buying property off the plan. Kitting it out, and then renting it out through an agency.

This one is in the new Venice inspired development on the north of the island.

And Vietnam is expected to change ownership laws by the end of the year, allowing foreign ownership of land and property.

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I had allowing foreign ownership of land and property in my top 5 law changes. So this is a great result.

 

[briztoon]

I think I'd still take Reid.
Going by what those supposedly in the know say it's Reid then it drops away exponentially.
I'd go quality over quantity.

On Twomey’s podcast, Cleary listed who Adelaide acquired with the picks they offered North for pick 1, to draft Horne-Francis.

JHF or Rachelle, Dawson, and Rankin.

 

[THE A5]

Briztoon=Nevin

 

[briztoon]

Briztoon=Nevin

Obviously.

But who is Nevin?

 

[Rowan18]

I want Adelaide to draft Tholstrup just so he can play together with Thilthorpe

Lol - here I've been thinking they had the same last name and were related.

 

[FKASC]

Obviously.

But who is Nevin?

avishka

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Trade Liam Ryan. Draft Harley Reid

Stupid suggestion from those two idiots. Why does anybody listen to them? Why would we trade Ryan? Going to be out of action for the rest of this year. Didn't have a great year last year. If we were to put him on the market the offers we would get would be at the low end of the his value spectrum. If you are going to try and sell a player you would want to do it when they have been going well and are at the high point of the value spectrum.

Just because your club is not going well that doesn't mean you should start randomly wheeling and dealing and rolling the dice at the trade table, even if what you are doing is stupid and counter productive, just so you can look like you are doing something. We are not going to improve our situation by giving away players on our list.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

On Twomey’s podcast, Cleary listed who Adelaide acquired with the picks they offered North for pick 1, to draft Horne-Francis.

JHF or Rachelle, Dawson, and Rankin.

I think Adelaide's attempts to trade away 3 first rounders for JHF which failed (and those picks then became Rachelle, Dawson and Rankine) together with all of Freo's disastrous trades when they were down the bottom (Hogan, Lobb, Hill and the first attempt for McCarthy which failed) are illustrations of the need for patience when you are down the bottom. You can't trade your way out of a bad situation by just buying players, especially at premium prices.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I think Adelaide's attempts to trade away 3 first rounders for JHF which failed (and those picks then became Rachelle, Dawson and Rankine) together with all of Freo's disastrous trades when they were down the bottom (Hogan, Lobb, Hill and the first attempt for McCarthy which failed) are illustrations of the need for patience when you are down the bottom. You can't trade your way out of a bad situation by just buying players, especially at premium prices.

Two of the three players Adelaide got instead of JHF, they traded first rounders for.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

For me its the weather and investments. Certains cities are currently seeing huge growth and the way they develop condo's there if you buy in early you get heavily discounted pricing. You need to pick a major developer with a good track record in the right area and you won't see a rental return for about 4 years but once the compound is finished you see roughly a 40-50% capital gain on the initial buy price and then rental returns well above 10% based on what you paid, particularly if you finish things off yourself and decorate in the style of a hotel room.

Cebu has been a mecca for it in past years but the everyday people and more investors have cottoned on over the last 12 months pushing prices even on early stage developments significantly higher. So the boom time to buy there is just about done. A few months after the last major Typhoon was literally the perfect storm to buy.

Still deciding where to live long term but will likely buy land under the mrs name, have her offer me a 50 year fixed lease with a 25% option on it and then build myself in the hills above. Nice and central, can travel pretty much anywhere in SE asia all on the cheap. You just have to know the cultural situation and how corruption works there and use it in your favour rather than have it used to curtail your interests.

Davao City and Bohol will likely be the next places of interest. Once construction of the bridge from Mactan to Bohol starts then condo's and land on the other side of the bridge are going to be great cash cows.

I am lucky that I have 2 younger step cousins who are very trustworthy and are half Filipino (born there) so have been able to form a corporation whereby I have control and can purchase more than 10 condo's. Normally as a foreign investor in a corporation it requires 60% Filipino ownership across a group of 5 people. So i'm on there, my mrs is on there, my son and my 2 step cousins. So I have 80% even without my mrs control meaning even if one of the relationships falls apart I still have absolute power.

Corruption is a major issue in all of these countries however people can say im a bigot all they like but I prefer countries without a Muslim Majority and government as I've seen a lot of things turn sour for people very quickly due to strict interpretations of religious beliefs. I speak Tagalog very well but do get looked down on at times for not speaking Bisaya in Cebu in particular. However having my mrs arrive to meetings earlier and sit away from where i'm discussing business is great as I get a translation of what their goals are after meetings and also all the s**t they talk about me.

So I quite like the Philippines, Vietnam and Thailand for business. Malaysia and Indonesia not so much.

You know how you said you were employed basically as a Red Team for drafting decisions, i.e. somebody who tries to find reasons not to draft a kid who otherwise looks pretty good in terms of his physical abilities focussing on psychology, personality traits and family background. How efficient and accurate did you find that process to be? Did you find that most of the kids you put and/or the club put a line through for those reasons did end up underperforming what would have otherwise been expected of them? Or is evaluating the personal factors with the kids still a fairly inexact science?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Two of the three players Adelaide got instead of JHF, they traded first rounders for.

Yes. But they didn't trade multiple first rounders for them did they? They didn't offer well above what most other clubs would have been willing to pay for those players just to get a deal done.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Well I’m already married, so wasn’t about to list that.

Doesnt matter where you get you're appetite, as long as you come home to eat mate.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

So I quite like the Philippines, Vietnam and Thailand for business. Malaysia and Indonesia not so much.

That is her business. Buying property off the plan. Kitting it out, and then renting it out through an agency.

This one is in the new Venice inspired development on the north of the island.

And Vietnam is expected to change ownership laws by the end of the year, allowing foreign investment ownership of land and property.

Happy to join a consortium anything to **** the 9-5 off in a couple of years. lol

 

[Mudguts12]

Harley Reid's ceiling will be a mezzanine floor with WCE's recent form in player development, particularly mids. Bring on the media blowtorch.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

It's mostly the women, tbh.

There's a reason WCE_phil said a heart attack would possibly be ensuing

 

[joeyavalanche]

Stupid suggestion from those two idiots. Why does anybody listen to them? Why would we trade Ryan? Going to be out of action for the rest of this year. Didn't have a great year last year. If we were to put him on the market the offers we would get would be at the low end of the his value spectrum. If you are going to try and sell a player you would want to do it when they have been going well and are at the high point of the value spectrum.

Just because your club is not going well that doesn't mean you should start randomly wheeling and dealing and rolling the dice at the trade table, even if what you are doing is stupid and counter productive, just so you can look like you are doing something. We are not going to improve our situation by giving away players on our list.

Really wasn’t that stupid.
Not that I’d like to trade Ryan but who else do we have on our list that we could offload with currency for a good draft pick?


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[JackOutback]

Really wasn’t that stupid.
Not that I’d like to trade Ryan but who else do we have on our list that we could offload with currency for a good draft pick?


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Tom Barrass.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Really wasn’t that stupid.
Not that I’d like to trade Ryan but who else do we have on our list that we could offload with currency for a good draft pick?


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Disagree, its just bad analysis...."they're rebuilding so trade anyone worth anything". Plus what are we getting for Flyin off this injury, a late first rounder at best? It's dumb

We're already getting a top 3/4 pick (at worst) plus have 2x2nd rounders and 2x3rd rounders. Shown this year we're willing to split picks, and there's future picks to play with to create more capital for this year
if we need to, but we already have plenty.

 

[Obeanie1]

On Twomey’s podcast, Cleary listed who Adelaide acquired with the picks they offered North for pick 1, to draft Horne-Francis.

JHF or Rachelle, Dawson, and Rankin.

And there is the example of three bites at the cherry are better than one.

Id take those three over JHF every day of the week.

Had a thought. Dream actually.

We finish 17th again.

In Barett's sliding doors today he flags our last 4 poor seasons and how old and banged up we are. He said its a real problem for the club AND the AFL.

Solution in typical AFL fashion behind closed doors.

AFL penalises the Hawks over the racism scandal. (And tanking but use the racism scandal as a reason). Penalty is they lose their first rounder plus other sanctions, fines.

They discuss this with us and we agree to trade pick 2 which is now pick 1 to GWS for 3 1st rounders, they already hold 2 and they land Ried.

We get pick 4, 10 (Freo's) and a GWS F1st.

We trade GWS F1st to the Suns.for pick 8.

Head to the draft with picks 4, 8, 10, 20 and our later picks.

AFL gives the Hawks a slap for being dicks x 2. Tick.

GWS gets pick 1 and the headlines with a little help from the AFL. Tick.

Eagles get an injection of 3 top 10 picks this year and some quality youth to right the sinking ship. Still retain our 1st in 2024. Tick.

Ahhhhh. Now where is that that box of tissues?

 

[TOA.]

I suggest we just stop the dreaming about hawks losing pick 1 from the racism scandal. Its just pure hope and has not been mooted legitimately. It sounds more likely the charges will be dropped due to lack of evidence, last i heard.