List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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The wily weagle said:
I rate English, but at a million dollars a year? Pass

I am still extremely bullish on Barnett, i rate that kid and i thought that he was an extremely astute pick when we drafted him. As i have stated before, he reminds me a young Brodie Grundy; he can run all day, he has decent tap work, and can actually finish pretty well from a set shot for goal. He isn't your typical beanpole thin young ruckman either, kid has some decent strength and definitely isn't allergic to body contact

We just need to get him fit enough so he can demonstrate what he can do. And if he is even half as good as i think he is going to be, we are onto a winner
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Plenty of time til the end of 2024 to find out if we need English or if Barnett will be a good long term prospect.
 
English would be a RFA not an UFA.
Therefore it is not simply a matter of he wants to join us so we sign him up.
The Bulldogs could and probably would match an offer so then we would have to trade for him.
Nowhere near as simple or non costly in draft capital as with Hunt for example.
 

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Bacchus said:
English would be a RFA not an UFA.
Therefore it is not simply a matter of he wants to join us so we sign him up.
The Bulldogs could and probably would match an offer so then we would have to trade for him.
Nowhere near as simple or non costly in draft capital as with Hunt for example.
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They won’t match a million dollar contract on someone who wants to leave. They’re not GWS.
 
Bleedblueandgold said:
Plenty of time til the end of 2024 to find out if we need English or if Barnett will be a good long term prospect.
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English has shortcomings but is growing on me - his ground work is quite good.

With ruckman it is worth considering the high liklehood of the bounce being discontinued- height and leap over strength will be important in the centre
 
Bacchus said:
English would be a RFA not an UFA.
Therefore it is not simply a matter of he wants to join us so we sign him up.
The Bulldogs could and probably would match an offer so then we would have to trade for him.
Nowhere near as simple or non costly in draft capital as with Hunt for example.
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There are a lot of moving parts Bacchus, before any of us can get a worthwhile read on the English situation.
Many of the moving parts will have knock on effects for the Doggies list management.

There are potentially some pricy contracts coming up for the Doggies in the next few years.

  • Naughton's signature is not going to come cheap and with other Clubs already circling the Doggies will need to pony up to keep him.
  • You would imagine that Ugle-Hagen will be looking at serious coin himself by the end of 2024.
  • Sam Darcy how does he come on, is he a ruck or is he a KPF or is he both ???
  • Weightman could also be due a bump up in pay grade.
  • To name but a few players who will need to be taken care of.

In isolation all are manageable however in total they will pose some challenges for the list management team at The Kennel.

Where do the Doggies finish at the end of 2024 ???? ..... which has a bearing on what compensation pick the vAFL would assign them.

Then there is the flow on if English is re-signed, then ( by way of example ) Jordan Sweet you would think is getable on the cheap.
Would he be a better option, we tried to lure him before, he would cost far less in draft capital and contract coin, therefore freeing up quality draft picks to continue refreshing our list at the pointy end of the draft.

IMO where we will be TPP wise, come the end of 2024, should see us with plenty of cap space to put a decent squeeze on the Doggies offer to English. :whitecheck:

More so the worry for me is the sort of draft capital we would need to stump up, if the Doggies and English came to an impasse and English specifically requested a trade to us, then we get ourselves in to a trade war with the Doggies that would seriously erode into our draft capital.

Of course we may be able to give up good draft picks IF and its a big IF.... Chesser, Hough, Bazzo, J.Williams, Ginbey, Hewett, Barnett, Bergiel, Long and the five or so new draftees at the end of this season, show good form and if the majority of them look like keepers.

If we finish around the 9th, 10th mark at the end of next season and Barnett looks the goods and say ( hypothetically we have drafted Mitch Edwards at the end of this year ) and he looks like having a bright future, then the Club may be better shelving the English idea and cashing in on more young draftees and let them all come through together.

So much can happen and will change in the next 18 - 24 months, that it's going to be interesting and intriguing to see how it all unfolds.
 
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Dale Doback said:
Barich said on his podcast with Quartermain that we've got an offer of 5 Mil over 5 years to English. I was thinking it's overs but after tonights game he's clearly worth it.

Darcy is a star. Dominated gold Coast last week and got Freo over the line. English matched him in chest to chest hit outs and throw ins and had him beat around the ground. In the 2nd quarter he got on the end of a possession chain (which started when he was at the back of the square) and chipped it through from 35m out. It's elite running for his size and at Dean Cox's level.

That's my view anyway as a former CHF/Ruck. English has built his tank and is now a complete player. He's like Luke returning to Dagobah to catch up with Yoda in Return of the Jedi for skills work, only to get the nod.

He's done. Bring him home.
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GC didn't have a ruck last week, Witts was out.
 
Monocle said:
There are a lot of moving parts Bacchus, before any of us can get a worthwhile read on the English situation.
Many of the moving parts will have knock on effects for the Doggies list management.

There are potentially some pricy contracts coming up for the Doggies in the next few years.

  • Naughton's signature is not going to come cheap and with other Clubs already circling the Doggies will need to pony up to keep him.
  • You would imagine that the Ugle-Hagen will be looking at serious coin himself by the end of 2024.
  • Sam Darcy how does he come on, is he a ruck or is he a KPF or is he both ???
  • Weightman could also be due a bump up in pay grade.
  • To name but a few players who will need to be taken care of.

In isolation all are manageable however in total they will pose some challenges for the list management team at The Kennel.

Where do the Doggies finish at the end of 2024 ???? ..... which has a bearing on what compensation pick the vAFL would assign them.

Then there is the flow on if English is re-signed, then ( by way of example ) Jordan Sweet you would thing is getable on the cheap.
Would he be a better option, we tried to lure him before, he would cost far less in draft capital and contract coin, therefore freeing up quality draft picks to continue refreshing our list at the pointy end of the draft.

IMO where we will be TPP wise, come the end of 2024, should see us with plenty of cap space to put a decent squeeze on the Doggies offer to English. :whitecheck:

More so the worry for me is the sort of draft capital we would need to stump up, if the Doggies and English came to an impasse and English specifically requested a trade to us, then we get ourselves in to a trade war with the Doggies that would seriously erode into our draft capital.

Of course we may be able to give up good draft picks IF and its a big IF.... Chesser, Hough, Bazzo, J.Williams, Ginbey, Hewett, Barnett, Bergiel, Long and the five or so new draftees at the end of this season, show good form and if the majority of them look like keepers.

If we finish around the 9th, 10th mark at the end of next season and Barnett looks the goods and say ( hypothetically we have drafted Mitch Edwards at the end of this year ) and he looks like having a bright future, then the Club may be better shelving the English idea and cashing in on more young draftees and let them all come through together.

So much can happen and will change in the next 18 - 24 months, that it's going to be interesting and intriguing to see how it all unfolds.
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Barnett looks promising but it takes a number of years to become a mature ruckman.

Sweet looks like a fill-in at best, but does he even want to come here anyway?

I think trying to get English in 2025 could be too early, I can’t see us near contending then, but then you have to take the opportunity when it comes up, it may not happen again.
We could be in a position to squeeze the Doggies with contract size.
I think English is in the top handful of ruckmen in the comp and will be for the next 7 to 8 years.

English could be no.1 with others such as Barnett, possibly Edwards developing under him.
Ruck dilemma sorted.
It‘s a pretty crucial position as we can now see where we are running with less than average rucks.
 
Farang83150 said:
GC didn't have a ruck last week, Witts was out.
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They played Ned Moyle, who was named VFL ruck of the year last season as a 20 year old.

At 21 this year, he’s very good for a half, and then fades out in games as he doesn’t have the stamina yet at AFL level.

Kid will be very, very good in two or three years time.
 

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Cuzz09 said:
Can someone answer if we actually have a pick in the MSD?

Do we need to write someone off officially for 2023 to get a pick?

Why would we not write off say Cripps of we can get an area of need filled?

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I think we’d need to make someone like Cripps inactive to have a selection in the MSD.


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Avalor said:
Watching the EP vs P colts game on Streamer, Coen Livingston one of our NGA boys is having an excellent game - dominating. If we want another young ruck, he is our man, but it would require one of our 2nd rounders.
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If he continues to improve/dominate at colts/reserves etc. and we get him at a decent price we COULD be well set up for rucks by the time we are competitive again.

Williams - continues to improve and is now showing that he might become quite a good player and influential in the ruck and around the ground. BOG today for us.
Jamieson - still young and a couple of years of development from where I'd be writing him off.
Barnett - considered the best of the 2022 ruck draft crop. High hopes he could be a #1 in a few years.
Livingston - like said - if continues to get better then could a be a bargain for a second rounder.

All points to the question. Why would we throw a million a year on a ruck who'll just chew up the salary cap while we're still sitting at the arse end of the ladder?
 
Monocle said:
There are a lot of moving parts Bacchus, before any of us can get a worthwhile read on the English situation.
Many of the moving parts will have knock on effects for the Doggies list management.

There are potentially some pricy contracts coming up for the Doggies in the next few years.

  • Naughton's signature is not going to come cheap and with other Clubs already circling the Doggies will need to pony up to keep him.
  • You would imagine that Ugle-Hagen will be looking at serious coin himself by the end of 2024.
  • Sam Darcy how does he come on, is he a ruck or is he a KPF or is he both ???
  • Weightman could also be due a bump up in pay grade.
  • To name but a few players who will need to be taken care of.

In isolation all are manageable however in total they will pose some challenges for the list management team at The Kennel.

Where do the Doggies finish at the end of 2024 ???? ..... which has a bearing on what compensation pick the vAFL would assign them.

Then there is the flow on if English is re-signed, then ( by way of example ) Jordan Sweet you would think is getable on the cheap.
Would he be a better option, we tried to lure him before, he would cost far less in draft capital and contract coin, therefore freeing up quality draft picks to continue refreshing our list at the pointy end of the draft.

IMO where we will be TPP wise, come the end of 2024, should see us with plenty of cap space to put a decent squeeze on the Doggies offer to English. :whitecheck:

More so the worry for me is the sort of draft capital we would need to stump up, if the Doggies and English came to an impasse and English specifically requested a trade to us, then we get ourselves in to a trade war with the Doggies that would seriously erode into our draft capital.

Of course we may be able to give up good draft picks IF and its a big IF.... Chesser, Hough, Bazzo, J.Williams, Ginbey, Hewett, Barnett, Bergiel, Long and the five or so new draftees at the end of this season, show good form and if the majority of them look like keepers.

If we finish around the 9th, 10th mark at the end of next season and Barnett looks the goods and say ( hypothetically we have drafted Mitch Edwards at the end of this year ) and he looks like having a bright future, then the Club may be better shelving the English idea and cashing in on more young draftees and let them all come through together.

So much can happen and will change in the next 18 - 24 months, that it's going to be interesting and intriguing to see how it all unfolds.
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The other piece with English at the end of 2024 is the ability to send him to the PSD if the bulldogs are thinking of forcing us to match, particularly if we end up with, god forbid, another bottom 4 finish

In the next 2-3 years it’s a threat we should be willing to use in potential trade negotiations


Cuzz09 said:
Can someone answer if we actually have a pick in the MSD?

Do we need to write someone off officially for 2023 to get a pick?

Why would we not write off say Cripps of we can get an area of need filled?

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As Nuffie post mentioned we need to put someone on the LTI to open up a spot

Cripps is the most likely as his injury seemed the most serious, however it’s a decision that doesn’t need to be made for another 5-6 weeks when the MSD is due to be held. The club will/should have a clearer idea then of players expected recovery times
 
wceratta said:
Clay Hall looking like he might climb the phantom drafts in the next month the way he has started in league footy for peel, 190cm midfielder who doesn’t have a problem finding the ball
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Damn, just 98 games short of qualifying as a father son pick.
 
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