List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[CountryLad]

As was pointed out to me yesterday when was the last time the AFL changed the rules to help us? Extremely unlikely. And we're not one of their VFL basketcase clubs or one of their projects so anything we put forward is probably going to fall on deaf ears

Yes would agree with that. We very rarely ask or receive AFL assistance and it’s unlikely.
However if you don’t put yourself out there then you are no chance. Put a strong submission forward because it will get looked at.

 

[Godfather32]

Yes would agree with that. We very rarely ask or receive AFL assistance and it’s unlikely.
However if you don’t put yourself out there then you are no chance. Put a strong submission forward because it will get looked at.

We'd be stupid not to, I agree. At least put pressure on this year so if we have another crap year next season we've already set the ball rolling and gotten the AFL used to the idea

 

[RanaNaved]

Is Ryan Maric a chance for us in the MSD? Kicked 8 goals in 3 games in the Coates League.


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I saw the match he kicked 4 goals in, he really caught my eye. Was doing things I was expecting to see Duursma doing

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

More clubs asking for a priority pick further compromises the draft and the AFL are reluctant with that.

We claim that the travel and not having a VFL team are hindering us and that our soft cap is compromised with the WAFL.

I’d be wanting to ask for 5% more in the salary cap and and 4 more list spots to cope with not having the ability to field a WAFL team and 6 Cat B slots (ie up by 3) 7 more WAFL places would go a long way to have a more credible team

I’d also ask for 10% more in our soft cap to cover additional medical/S&C to cope with the impact of long haul and mitigate future legal action for long haul injuries

 

[DanWCE]

I think in our favour for a PP is that we didn't set fire to the list and throw out the older players who still had something to offer. We haven't tried to manipulate how poor we have been through the list.

This was the primary reason we were all against the Roos getting picks after they dumped everyone, and it would be our argument against the Hawks as well.

But with all that said, it's incredibly unlikely the AFL look upon us favourably.

 

[Trav22]

Yuck, I do not want to get into a bidding war for Dev.

Would be happy to take him with a 3rd. I think he has potential, but Brisbane has tanked his worth.

They can't expect much but other interest might hurt us. Hopefully, if we're interested, he suddenly develops a severe case of the go home blues.

With all due respect are bidding wars even a thing these days ?

Lately said player nominates club, deal gets done

 

[bzparkes]

Not like he haven't gotten priority picks before though. Judd, Shuey, Darling were all PPs.

 

[Obeanie1]

How bad would we need to be for how long before we stick our hand out for a priority pick? Guessing we would need to prove our injury crisis is not of our own doing but that our players prematurely went over the hill

Add two early retirements from concussion.

Was actually thinking if any team did get a PP it would be much more palatable if they had to use it on a home state kid but outside the top 10.

From what I can gather the best WA players bar Curtin look like falling around 8 to12 and then 15 to 20.

Read somewhere Curtin is out with an injury.

 

[briztoon]

I’m not sure what clubs your talking about?

Which club has had an injury list anything like ours over the last 18 months?

If the club put forward the case that we have lost 2 first round selections to concussion that would otherwise be playing for us.

If you pushed the case that flying exponentially more than any other club other than Fremantle can shorten player’s careers.

With our injury list that we have had over the last 18 months which is unprecedented in our clubs history I think you would have a case.

Whether the afl agreed or not is up to them but if you don’t ask you don’t get. I reckon we could put a strong argument forward.

Not last 18 months.

But when we were at our lowest, we lost 3 key defenders over 3 years to concussion, from 2015 to 2017.

First, former Saint Matt Maguire retired mid 2015 from concussion.

Beginning of 2016, we lost Justin Clarke to a career ending concussion he received during the preseason, at the age of 22. Clarke and Andrews were supposed to lead our defence for a decade plus.

Then we lost his replacement, Jack Frost, age 26, to a career ending concussion. He spent the majority of 2017 and 2018 battling concussion, before announcing his retirement.

I don’t know if that factored in to our request for a PP.

We first asked in 2015 and were knocked back, then asked again in 2016, and received an end of first round PP.

And that’s all we got.

 

[Keys]

Not like he haven't gotten priority picks before though. Judd, Shuey, Darling were all PPs.

Those PPs were the result of a predetermined criteria though - win less than x number of games over y number of years and get compensation pick z

Unsurprisingly it led to tanking, or at least the suspicion of it, as teams knew the benchmark required to get an extra pick

The system now is clubs effectively have to beg in an attempt to meet an unspecified criteria to get a result based on which way the winds blowing at the time

Reality is we won a flag as recently as 5 years ago and only 3 clubs have won one since. There’s 5 clubs that haven’t even made finals since then

We are well resourced and, despite what some might think at the moment, have an experienced and competent administration

We’ve had one terrible season and are in the midst of what is shaping as another comparably bad one

It’s hard to imagine the AFL entertaining a PP this year especially with the way the wind is blowing - have a look at how our quite reasonable request for an extra home game has been received to get an idea of the reaction a PP application would get

 

[eaglespremiers]

my role was almost purely focussed on reasons not to draft players.

WCE_phil : "Ask me who wasn't there."
Recruiter: "Who wasn't there, Phil?"
WCE_phil : "Any of his teammates. None of his teammates came to the poor guy's birthday party, Sonny."

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Looks like Harley Reid is going to play for Blues VFL side now. He'll dominate

 

[Monocle]

WCE_phil : "Ask me who wasn't there."
Recruiter: "Who wasn't there, Phil?"
WCE_phil : "Any of his teammates. None of his teammates came to the poor guy's birthday party, Sonny."

 

[eaglespremiers]

Looks like Harley Reid is going to play for Blues VFL side now. He'll dominate

As long as he comes back and plays for the Pioneers. Missed him on Sunday.
May as well do a brief write up on a couple of players I was able to watch during the Coates Hire League.
These players may/may not be relevant to West Coast at the end of the year, but we are building up quite a list of Country Victoria players.

Bendigo Pioneers v Gippsland Power
1. Thomas Hanily (Gippsland Power)

Despite Power playing catch up all game after the Pioneers kicked the first 5 goals Hanily was heavily involved from the get go in the Powers midfield.
The kid had 32 disposals, 6 marks, 4 i50s, 4 tackles and kicked a goal. Was probably the most complete performance on the ground.
Hanily is 179cm tall.

2. Oskar Smartt (Bendigo Pioneers)

Smartt proved to be the matchwinner kicking 3 goals (including the sealer, from the clutch mark above about 45m out from goal late in the last).
Smartt also had 16 disposals, 7 i50s and 8 tackles.
Smartt is listed at 178cm, so will need to grow some more if he wants to be a genuine medium forward but doesn't turn 18 until late October, so plenty of time for physical growth.

3. Xavier Lindsay (Gippsland Power)

Like Hanily, Lindsay improved as the game went on and was instrumental in the Power's second half fight back. Lindsay often started off the back of the square and was utilised like we've been using Shuey recently.
Lindsay had 27 disposals, 8 marks and 4 rebound 50s. He is listed as 182cm in height.

4. Oliver Poole (Bendigo Pioneers)

Playing a similar role to Gaff/Scully Poole moved extremely well in space.
The guy is an aggressive runner and influential in the first quarter which proved decisive.
Poole had 20 disposals. He is listed at 182cm and appears to have a slight frame, however, he was a noticeably good tackler attributed with 9 in total, including the one below.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Do you know how the soft cap tax works?

It is designed to totally discourage teams from exceeding as the cost is exorbitant

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For arguments sake, let’s say we decide to spend an extra $400k on staff across recruitment, medical and coaching to make a significant difference. There’s no point doing this for just one year as you’d put people in only to move them on a year later so it becomes a 3 year commitment

The tax in year 1 would be $600k, then $900k for year 2 and $1.2m for year 3

The total cost for exceeding the cap by $400k per year for 3 years would be $1.2m plus $2.7m in taxes

Thats a financially stupid decision

Edit : I said spend $400k to make a significant difference- in reality that’s only an extra 5.7% on the existing cap of $6.95m so it’s debatable just how much that extra spend would actually achieve

Cheers mate. I did not know how it works so this provides some context on why they dont do it.

But i still think the question should be asked when you legit have the capital reservices to piss 10 mill across three years up against the wall for the sake of development to get ahead of the competition....It could mean being competitive in 5 years rather than 8. Who knows?

Again i could be talking shit.

2 lots of stem cell treatment for my neck and lower back.

Then a move to the Philippines to manage my investments in SE asia. With past injuries a warm humid climate is much better for me. Whenever we go from hot to cold or have a distinct change in the weather i'm in a lot of pain.

Also for whatever reason whether it's because i'm sweating a lot more I can drink san mig light like lolly water, chill on multiple beach sides and still be fine the next day.

Currently getting a rough 10% rental return on fully furnished condo's plus about 5-10% capital growth each year. A heart attack will surely ensue however as I have a deep seated love of Lechon and BBQ spare ribs.

Thought you were in Thailand? Whats the secret, everyone wants this dream, retirement SE Asia, investments allowing you to live the good life.

Sounds mint to me congrats!

 

[eaglespremiers]

Geelong Falcons v Murray Bushrangers
1. Archie Sinnott (Geelong Falcons)

This kid is big (186cm) and hard to tackle (as demonstrate above). All this makes sense considering he's turning 19 this year.
He had 26 disposals on the weekend, kicked a goal (probably should've had a couple more goals and was constantly in the thick of it.

2. Oscar Ryan (Murray Bushrangers)

Despite the Bushrangers being completely smashed in the first half (they were down by 50 points) Ryan was fantastic as an intercept defender (in the style of Brad Sheppard). Ryan had 24 disposals, 9 tackles, 4 rebound 50s and took a couple of good marks (see above) and spoils as the third man up.

3. Tobyn Murray (Geelong Falcons)

Murray reads the play around the clearances tremendously well.
Standing at 176cm in height Murray had 23 disposals, 6 i50s and kicked a goal.
Has a good step of pace.

4. Ethan Borys (Geelong Falcons)

Playing as a rebounding defender Borys was never beaten by his opponent and utilised many opportunities to move up on to the wing.
As an over-ager he reads the play incredibly well. Borys had 25 disposals and 6 marks and I understand that he is leading the league in rebound 50s atm.

5. Nicholas Newton (Murray Bushrangers)

So Newton only had 18 disposals in a midfield that got well beaten, however, there's something about him that just screams that he's ready to tackle AFL next year (perhaps that might be only as a SPP-style of player). Newton showed a stiff-arm to a number of opponents (including Archie Sinnott above). Don't know how far he'll go but at 188cm he's a good sized midfield option.

 

[BrotherDodge]

It's actually kinda ****ed up that teams can't spend as much as they like on medical and S&C stuff, like, "Sorry your career was unnecessarily ruined by injury, kid, but we didn't want to be unfair to North Melbourne!"

 

[Obeanie1]

It's actually kinda ****ed up that teams can't spend as much as they like on medical and S&C stuff, like, "Sorry your career was unnecessarily ruined by injury, kid, but we didn't want to be unfair to North Melbourne!"

I was actually thinking about this. If a club has an abnomally high injury spike and we need to spend more money than normal on operatinsand then for rehab is it all included in the soft cap?

 

[MaxHunt]

Poor Liam Ryan was just traded on “Gettable.”

Not sure id do it as we don’t really have too many in that age bracket. Conceivable that he’s here during our next premiership tilt at the age of only 26. Would have to be a haul for WC to consider. Did score an AA albeit in the bubble.

Cal also said the club knocked back some good offers for pick 23 to get Barnett, wonder what they were.

 

[kane249]

Cal also said the club knocked back some good offers for pick 23 to get Barnett, wonder what they were.

Given our ruck needs and Barnett was on the board still, it would have to have been a very good offer.

 

[ziad]

More clubs asking for a priority pick further compromises the draft and the AFL are reluctant with that.

We claim that the travel and not having a VFL team are hindering us and that our soft cap is compromised with the WAFL.

I’d be wanting to ask for 5% more in the salary cap and and 4 more list spots to cope with not having the ability to field a WAFL team and 6 Cat B slots (ie up by 3) 7 more WAFL places would go a long way to have a more credible team

I’d also ask for 10% more in our soft cap to cover additional medical/S&C to cope with the impact of long haul and mitigate future legal action for long haul injuries

So we all agree with COLA?

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Cal also said the club knocked back some good offers for pick 23 to get Barnett, wonder what they were.

From memory I think Sydney were keen on Barnett

 

[CountryLad]

Geelong Falcons v Murray Bushrangers
1. Archie Sinnott (Geelong Falcons)
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This kid is big (186cm) and hard to tackle (as demonstrate above). All this makes sense considering he's turning 19 this year.
He had 26 disposals on the weekend, kicked a goal (probably should've had a couple more goals and was constantly in the thick of it.

2. Oscar Ryan (Murray Bushrangers)
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Despite the Bushrangers being completely smashed in the first half (they were down by 50 points) Ryan was fantastic as an intercept defender (in the style of Brad Sheppard). Ryan had 24 disposals, 9 tackles, 4 rebound 50s and took a couple of good marks (see above) and spoils as the third man up.

3. Tobyn Murray (Geelong Falcons)
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Murray reads the play around the clearances tremendously well.
Standing at 176cm in height Murray had 23 disposals, 6 i50s and kicked a goal.
Has a good step of pace.

4. Ethan Borys (Geelong Falcons)
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Playing as a rebounding defender Borys was never beaten by his opponent and utilised many opportunities to move up on to the wing.
As an over-ager he reads the play incredibly well. Borys had 25 disposals and 6 marks and I was reliably informed by his father that he is leading the league in rebound 50s atm.

5. Nicholas Newton (Murray Bushrangers)
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So Newton only had 18 disposals in a midfield that got well beaten, however, there's something about him that just screams that he's ready to tackle AFL next year (perhaps that might be only as a SPP-style of player). Newton showed a stiff-arm to a number of opponents (including Archie Sinnott above). Don't know how far he'll go but at 188cm he's a good sized midfield option.

Oscar Ryan has been really consistent all year I wonder if he will get added to the Vic County squad or is it he’s like O’Sullivan and is playing Allies?

 

[Cuzz09]

Hopefully Barnett becomes our next Cox, NicNat decade plus ruck legend

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[Truckosaurus]

2. Oskar Smartt (Bendigo Pioneers)

Can't be that smart if he can't spell it correctly