List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[Obeanie1]

This will definitely be the case if we can't get back on track in the next few season while we still have an experienced group of senior players. You'd expect the following can be around for a rebound if we achieve it in the next few seasons: Duggan, Cole, Barrass, Ryan, Allen, Sheed. That's 6 out of 22

I think we have a couple of role players that will still add value in JJ and Hunt, so that's now 8 out of 22.

Then it comes down to which young guys will develop. The likely ones are: Edwards, Bazzo, Hough, Ginbey, Hewett, Chesser, Culley, Long, Barnett. Let's say we get an 80% strike rate, we're now at 15/22.

As you say, the last 7 of the future best 22 will need to come from the next two drafts and continuing to trade in role players (like JJ, hunt etc). It's definitely a tightrope, as we need to nail 3 best 22 each trade/draft period.

If we stuff up a few drafts, then that original senior core of Ryan/Sheed, TB etc are now over the hill and we need more drafts to fix it. You can really see how some teams get stuck with 10 year rebuilds as they get trapped in an ongoing loop.

On evidence so far, I think we will get by with a 5 season rebuild as our recruiting team has been bloody good to date.

When did the rebuild start? 2022.

Giving finals a sniff in 2027?

Thats a long time out of finals.

 

[Rowan18]

When did the rebuild start? 2022.

Giving finals a sniff in 2027?

Thats a long time out of finals.

I think it started with the 2021 draft, given it looks like we will get at least two best 22 players from it (Hough and Bazzo) and hopefully at least one more (Chesser and J Williams).

Unless this new gameplan suddenly clicks and we make finals this year, we're probably looking at being out of finals until at least 2025.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Have we got any decent kids coming through our academy?

If we have a crap year instead of asking for draft compensation could we ask for greater access to our academy?

There was a kid from Kalgoorlie called TYZREISE CLARK, saw him a few years back and looked seriously good. Strong and quick midfield/half forward type.
Believe he missed most of last year through injury, but looks like he played a practice match on the weekend in the Colts and kicked 3.
He'll be an interesting watch this year.

 

[pz5151]

Went the old defensive route and was about to fire back that realistically, 8 changes was a lot to make.

Then went to AFL's "ins and outs" to get a list of our delisting's and retirements and after looking at what our club did and what other clubs did, afraid I have to agree we are trotting out the same ageing list that won us a flag 5 years ago minus our legend KPF, in the hope it moves us forward.

We had the equal lowest list changes after Port and Saints, who each had one less.

Okay I get it that we don't just keep cutting without lots of good draft picks, but we have royally rooted our list with ageing ex-stars no one wants (so no extra draft picks there) and no good young players indicating that they want to come to us (a sure sign the players don't rate us).

I can see us being bottom 6 for 4 years and not genuinely competing until circa 2030.

Mind you, all is forgiven if we win in 2030 and Freo have by then spudded their much vaunted "Flagmantle" era.

On paper it’s hard to see the Eagles bouncing back soon but historically they always do within a couple of years. I’m sure there’s some Western Australian superstars hidden away that will appear out of nowhere

 

[briztoon]

I think it started with the 2021 draft, given it looks like we will get at least two best 22 players from it (Hough and Bazzo) and hopefully at least one more (Chesser and J Williams).

Unless this new game plan suddenly clicks and we make finals this year, we're probably looking at being out of finals until at least 2025.

Teams currently ahead of you in their rebuild faze, who missed finals last year; GWS, Essendon, Adelaide and Gold Coast.

North is ahead of you, but they have almost no KPP talent, and I believe that's going to hold them back for a looong time.

I believe St Kilda will yoyo between 7th and 13th for a few years yet, without actually doing anything in finals or being bad enough to be right down the bottom.

Hawthorn have more young talent than you do, but as you pointed out, they just went the North route. But they could bounce back quick, thanks to some promising father sons coming up as well. They're also focused on playing their youth.

Geelong and Richmond have aging key forwards, and if they can't bring a couple in soonish, I can see them dropping. But both teams have a lot of talent in all other parts of the ground to keep the thereabouts for a long time yet.

Melbourne, Sydney, Collingwood, Fremantle, Bulldogs, Carlton and Brisbane still have a lot of young talent that should keep them relevant for most the rest of this decade.


If you don't get a couple of in their prime trade ins, in a couple of years, you could be out of finals for a while yet.

 

[Sphynx]

Teams currently ahead of you in their rebuild faze, who missed finals last year; GWS, Essendon, Adelaide and Gold Coast.

North is ahead of you, but they have almost no KPP talent, and I believe that's going to hold them back for a looong time.

I believe St Kilda will yoyo between 7th and 13th for a few years yet, without actually doing anything in finals or being bad enough to be right down the bottom.

Hawthorn have more young talent than you do, but as you pointed out, they just went the North route. But they could bounce back quick, thanks to some promising father sons coming up as well. They're also focused on playing their youth.

Geelong and Richmond have aging key forwards, and if they can't bring a couple in soonish, I can see them dropping. But both teams have a lot of talent in all other parts of the ground to keep the thereabouts for a long time yet.

Melbourne, Sydney, Collingwood, Fremantle, Bulldogs, Carlton and Brisbane still have a lot of young talent that should keep them relevant for most the rest of this decade.


If you don't get a couple of in their prime trade ins, in a couple of years, you could be out of finals for a while yet.

Larkey, Comben, Logue and McKay is no KPP talent?

 

[Keys]

We took a punt at the end of 2019 and went all in on the Kelly trade in the hope we’d be able to have another legitimate crack at a flag with a strengthened midfield with what was an already decent list

It was a gamble we hadn’t taken before and ultimately it didn’t pay off. We gave up 2x1st round picks and 2x2nd round picks across two drafts

It created a void in our list compounded by some poor picks and bad luck across the 2015-2018 drafts

The lack of much depth in the 22-26 age group has meant we’ve retained some older players we might not otherwise have done so our rebuild looks a little different

We’ve already now invested in two drafts with encouraging signs with the likelihood we’ll invest in the next two

Unlike other clubs we don’t have a tendency to spend lengthy periods out of finals (never more than 3 consecutive years) nor do we have random shit years whilst we’re otherwise contending (see Melbourne 2019, Collingwood 2021, Sydney 2019/20, Bulldogs 2017/18 as recent examples)

This run looks like it’ll be a little longer, an optimistic return to finals in 2025 would mean 4 years outside the 8 and that’s best case scenario

In short we’re a year or two behind the rebuild we’d have been in had we not swung for the fences with the Kelly trade

 

[briztoon]

Larkey, Comben, Logue and McKay is no KPP talent?

Almost none, yes. Look up how many games McKay has played in 7 years.

Did you see McKay out there on the weekend?

 

[Royalbeagle]

The best thing that could happen in footy this year is if we rebound quickly and threaten for finals. Then, realizing the absence of goal kickers, we re-recruit Kennedy in the MSD for a belated return.
It’s really hard watching them without the champ.

 

[Rowan18]

Teams currently ahead of you in their rebuild faze, who missed finals last year; GWS, Essendon, Adelaide and Gold Coast.

North is ahead of you, but they have almost no KPP talent, and I believe that's going to hold them back for a looong time.

I believe St Kilda will yoyo between 7th and 13th for a few years yet, without actually doing anything in finals or being bad enough to be right down the bottom.

Hawthorn have more young talent than you do, but as you pointed out, they just went the North route. But they could bounce back quick, thanks to some promising father sons coming up as well. They're also focused on playing their youth.

Geelong and Richmond have aging key forwards, and if they can't bring a couple in soonish, I can see them dropping. But both teams have a lot of talent in all other parts of the ground to keep the thereabouts for a long time yet.

Melbourne, Sydney, Collingwood, Fremantle, Bulldogs, Carlton and Brisbane still have a lot of young talent that should keep them relevant for most the rest of this decade.


If you don't get a couple of in their prime trade ins, in a couple of years, you could be out of finals for a while yet.

I agree with those who are ahead, with the exception of Essendon and Gold Coast who always seem to build but never arrive.

There are plenty of teams that look to be sliding in 2-3 years. Saints, Tigers (trying to do a Hawthorn and we know how that worked out), Freo (KPF are lacking so they need to go backwards to go forward), Bulldogs (by the time their KPP are ready their midfield will be shot), Port (are in all for the now but aren't bringing in the youth similar to what we did in 2018-2020).

Geelong have a bad age profile, but always seem to trade out of it, so I'll back them in. Sydney and their Academy will see them through.

 

[Sphynx]

Almost none, yes. Look up how many games McKay has played in 7 years.

Did you see McKay out there on the weekend?

McKay was behind Tarrant and Thompson as a raw kid and missed 2021. He got injured last week in the last practice game.

He’s played the majority of the last 2 seasons.

He was the #1 intercepting defender in 2022 and is being discussed as the most in demand FA in the league at the moment.

Weird comment.

 

[bzparkes]

Almost none, yes. Look up how many games McKay has played in 7 years.

Did you see McKay out there on the weekend?

Yeah but he played for Carlton this round

 

[squashface]

Larkey, Comben, Logue and McKay is no KPP talent?

Who?

 

[bzparkes]

Guys, this is the WCE draft thread not the North Melbourne KPP assessment thread...

 

[THE A5]

Problem with Mckay is that he has to balance playing for both Carlton and North. Think it's time he choses to play for one

 

[Obeanie1]

Teams currently ahead of you in their rebuild faze, who missed finals last year; GWS, Essendon, Adelaide and Gold Coast.

North is ahead of you, but they have almost no KPP talent, and I believe that's going to hold them back for a looong time.

I believe St Kilda will yoyo between 7th and 13th for a few years yet, without actually doing anything in finals or being bad enough to be right down the bottom.

Hawthorn have more young talent than you do, but as you pointed out, they just went the North route. But they could bounce back quick, thanks to some promising father sons coming up as well. They're also focused on playing their youth.

Geelong and Richmond have aging key forwards, and if they can't bring a couple in soonish, I can see them dropping. But both teams have a lot of talent in all other parts of the ground to keep the thereabouts for a long time yet.

Melbourne, Sydney, Collingwood, Fremantle, Bulldogs, Carlton and Brisbane still have a lot of young talent that should keep them relevant for most the rest of this decade.


If you don't get a couple of in their prime trade ins, in a couple of years, you could be out of finals for a while yet.

Teams have the same salary cap and need to spend it.

In two years the Eagles will go shopping and start throwing money at players of need.

In the mean time we snap up some decent role players using 3rd rounders who are on the fringe but chasing opportunities.

 

[CountryLad]

Larkey, Comben, Logue and McKay is no KPP talent?

Will give you that Larkey just kicked 6 on Barrass and I rate McKay

 

[bzparkes]

Problem with Mckay is that he has to balance playing for both Carlton and North. Think it's time he choses to play for one

I made the joke first and no reactions...

Gee whiz

 

[THE A5]

I made the joke first and no reactions...

Gee whiz

From one comedian to another, you perhaps need to work on your delivery

 

[Bender_]

I made the joke first and no reactions...

Gee whiz

 

[squashface]

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[garlic munchers]

I think it started with the 2021 draft, given it looks like we will get at least two best 22 players from it (Hough and Bazzo) and hopefully at least one more (Chesser and J Williams).

Unless this new gameplan suddenly clicks and we make finals this year, we're probably looking at being out of finals until at least 2025.

New game plan?

Ballsy move by Simmo to adopt a plan to win without contesting the footy.

Can’t see it working myself.

Don’t often agree with Gary Lyon, but -37 contested ball against Nth does suggest Simmo has trashed our brand or lost the players, probably both.

GWS win will be wallpapering.

Anyway, it’s the trade thread so trades for Simmo?

 

[jesterwester]

I always believe in the adage “things are never as bad or as good as they seem”.

In footy that has always held true, especially in todays wall to wall coverage in the media we see now.

For example, Pre-season Nat Fyfe was going to kick 50 goals this year down forward. Fast forward to round 1…

Make no mistake, we weren’t great for much of Saturday. Fully deserve much of the rhetoric being thrown our way. But it can turn around very quickly with the right group. We’ve started to fill some chess pieces with the ones we have picked up in our last 2 drafts- we now just need to get games into them which will take time.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate losing. But I have faith we are on the right path and I quite enjoy watching young players come through and develop. Hopefully we get to see Culley, Hewett & Ginbey play together soon.

 

[bzparkes]

New game plan?

Ballsy move by Simmo to adopt a plan to win without contesting the footy.

Can’t see it working myself.

Don’t often agree with Gary Lyon, but -37 contested ball against Nth does suggest Simmo has trashed our brand or lost the players, probably both.

GWS win will be wallpapering.

Anyway, it’s the trade thread so trades for Simmo?

Except he said in the interview with Schfield that the contested discrepancy was basically unforgivable and attributed this to the players not executing fundamental skills correctly.

Don't think he's lost the players at all but you also need to consider who we've drafted over the years and who is playing.

The likes of Sheed/Gaff have never been contested ball winning beasts.

You don't think they've attempted to address this with the additions of Ginbey/Culley, for starters?

 

[ziad]

Will give you that Larkey just kicked 6 on Barrass and I rate McKay

Sadly Barrass is a weak defender one on one - great intercept and spoil iif he has a run.