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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[juddy_Like]

Danger went for pick 9 + 28 + a fringe mid taken at pick 55 the year before.
Danger was 25 when he moved, 1 year older than Warner would be.
Danger went 6th, 4th, 4th and 6th in the brownlow in the 4 years before he was traded, and was Adelaides best player.
The situation will be exactly the same, player OOC and (ideally) committed to leaving.
It was a few years ago now but there is no way someone can justify Warner is worth a whole extra top 10 pick than Danger was worth.

Go through those other examples, its a similar story. Warner isnt that good that hes a whole top 10 pick or more better than any of the players named there.
Hes not even the best name on that list, at the time of the trades.

Correct me if I’m wrong but Danger was also a Free Agent and it ended up being a trade as he wanted Adelaide to be compensated more than what the secret herbs and spices would have ended up being.

 

[briztoon]

So initial offer pick 15 + F1 for dunkley + 2nd + 3rd .

Ended up 21 + f1(17)+ F2 ( 37)
for dunkley + 2x F3s

Dunkley, 25 years old who played every game and was averaging 26D 6M 6T and kicked 17 goals .

Warner would be a year younger and marginally better player you said he is worth our 1st rounder 4/5 + late 1st or early 2nd .

Can you explain to me why you think warner is worth more than double what you paid for dunkley ?

Why didn’t you include the Lachie Neale trade?

Warner is a year younger and has a higher ceiling than Dunkley.

I didn’t say he was worth your first round pick. I said he was worth about pick 5/6 plus a late first.

Which is what we traded for Lachie Neale.

 

[Gazeah78]

Duursma has a quality that Curtin and Lindsay will never have. He's potentially Harleys brother in law and could help keep
Harley at the Eagles, that alone adds to Willem's value at the club more so than the other players mentioned.
Build on the family connection. If we don't Carlton, Essendon and Norf definitely will.

How many 19 year old relationships go the distance? Not many.
The more likely scenario is that their relationship blows up and then you are stuck with two blokes in the team who can’t stand each other. Would then have Harley more likely to want to get out of WA I would have thought.
For the same reason we shouldn’t be targeting her for the AFLW team.


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[Happy Mastenator]

You reckon this big fella is gettable?

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This is what i get for posting on my first day back in the office for the year. A scrambled brain.

 

[stallon]

Correct me if I’m wrong but Danger was also a Free Agent and it ended up being a trade as he wanted Adelaide to be compensated more than what the secret herbs and spices would have ended up being.

Yeah he was a RFA I believe, I also believe the Crows were prepared to match a bid anyway, theyd have been silly not to.

 

[Elite Pete]

Teams can always go in to deficit to match a bid on an nga player, if they don’t have enough points in the current draft.

Future points are calculated on the points values of pick 18, 36 & 54. So 1167 points if you hold a future pick in each round. Which is enough to match a bid at pick 10, plus whatever points you hold in the current draft.

Even under the new system, it would be very hard for a team to NOT be able to match an academy kid bid on at pick 1. Even if that team won the cup the previous year.

The issue with Freo going into deficit would be those picks will belong to Sydney you would think if they have traded for Warner.

Couldn’t see Swans doing that but if the Chad leaves and picks Freo. Will be something they would have to factor and try and project.

 

[WCE777]

Warner is very much worth 2 top 10 picks, one of which being a top 5.

So with a slight slide Hawks 2025 1st round and WCE 2026 1st round is where my offer would start and finish. The other option would be WCE 2025 first and if Sydney want the points all this year Hawks 2nd otherwise F2. It's probably a tough sell for most of this board to swallow but particularly if he comes with his brother Chad will only be 24 and a half end of next year and Corey will only be just over 22.

Of our FS/Academy prospects in 2025 I would think Banfield is the highest rated however he is also the sort of player who could very easily slide, even with a good year. He does almost everything well but doesn't seem to have a massive standout elite trait. His marking is very good, his positional IQ is very good as is his outside running but I wouldn't say he's elite in any area. He's also more outside than in again meaning more likely to slide

Walley is probably the one who with a big year could go higher or sits in that 35-50 zone, Evans has a big going on which means I think he slides potentially all the way to Cat B. He has the talent to rise but he could also fall lower.

Freddy Rodriguez is a great prospect and a lot depends on his year but I think at this stage he gets a touch overrated here because he's from WA. I see him more in the 7-15 bracket. Which could be very, very interesting if WCE were to trade our 2025 R1 + for Warner/s, he could definitely still be on the table. If Freddy dominates however he could go top 3-5.

If Curtin has a good year and in particular shows a few more games where he kicks some bags up forward I think he will be the first WA player off the table. He had back to back 6 goal games at colts level this year against Subi and the second was in the finals. He's also already 197 so with a quality year, particularly at champs level and late he could go top 5.

Based on this scenario where we give Hawks 1st and WC F1st who else would be a mid you rate that would suit WC apart from Sharp who you rate very highly.
Would you trade back into this draft first round with future capital to get either of Curtin, Rodriguez or a high quality mid that would suit WC?

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

I hate to say it, but this when and where you want to be shit. It is a bitter pill to swallow but finish last.

Last place, warner out of contract put us in the driving seat to say Hawks 1st and WCE F1st.

Pick 1 then can be used for Sharp or if we're lucky traded back for Freddy and Curtin.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Tim Kelly vibes.

Much better than that!!

 

[briztoon]

The issue with Freo going into deficit would be those picks will belong to Sydney you would think if they have traded for Warner.

Couldn’t see Swans doing that but if the Chad leaves and picks Freo. Will be something they would have to factor and try and project.

The ability to match a bid and take a deficit on the following years picks is calculated on what picks a team has in the future.

So if Freo only hold a future second round pick, and let’s say two future third round picks, then they can only match with value of picks 36, 53, and 54.

There are limits on what can be done, and I’m sure clubs factor this in to their trading of future picks.

 

[briztoon]

I hate to say it, but this when and where you want to be shit. It is a bitter pill to swallow but finish last.

Last place, warner out of contract put us in the driving seat to say Hawks 1st and WCE F1st.

Pick 1 then can be used for Sharp or if we're lucky traded back for Freddy and Curtin.

Also gives you the leverage of the PSD threat.

 

[WCE777]

I wonder whether we should be shaking the GC ruck tree.

One of Ned Moyle of Trent Knobel might be gettable next year if Witts is still going around, and Knobel might be more open to coming back to any team in WA, rather than just Freo.

100% should go after any ruck who is ready made this trade or next, might be out of ammo this year but future capital can be used.
Moyle from GC would be number 1 target, 23-24 and ready to play and stuck behind Witts.
Reidy from FRE would be the other target 25-26 and stuck behind plenty of others.
Both have showed plenty when used.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Why didn’t you include the Lachie Neale trade?

Warner is a year younger and has a higher ceiling than Dunkley.

I didn’t say he was worth your first round pick. I said he was worth about pick 5/6 plus a late first.

Which is what we traded for Lachie Neale.

Neale was contracted and freos best player behind fyfe .

You had no choice but to pay overs .

But yes its a decent comparison . You also received pick 30 so it was more pick 6 plus freo upgraded 30 to 19 .

So basically the best comparison of players traded then reached their ceiling after the trade is danger and neale with both winning browlow and premiership with their new club .

What would Neale have cost if he wasn't contracted?

 

[pantskyle]

I hate to say it, but this when and where you want to be shit. It is a bitter pill to swallow but finish last.

Last place, warner out of contract put us in the driving seat to say Hawks 1st and WCE F1st.

Pick 1 then can be used for Sharp or if we're lucky traded back for Freddy and Curtin.

Finishing below the Tigers would be a disastrous outcome. Pick 1 is nowhere near as important as genuine on field improvement. This is where we start our climb, not go backwards.

 

[Lazzas]

Also gives you the leverage of the PSD threat.

Not a thing West Coast would ever do.

 

[illegaleagle]

Believe he’s more a utility that really has to show he can nail down a position.

Not true KPP height (yet, he may have grown over the summer).

Another overrated Durrsma like the north and port brothers, that doesn’t have a true position and will go top 5. Wouldn’t spend a top 10 pick on these guys.

 

[Art OF war]

A family with a kid in the same age group, who have played with and against Walley & Banfield, would pick Walley first.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I hate to say it, but this when and where you want to be shit. It is a bitter pill to swallow but finish last.

Last place, warner out of contract put us in the driving seat to say Hawks 1st and WCE F1st.

Pick 1 then can be used for Sharp or if we're lucky traded back for Freddy and Curtin.

It will be physically impossible to finish behind the Tigers on the ladder. They will be lucky to win a game, and their % could well be challenging sub 50%.

 

[briztoon]

Neale was contracted and freos best player behind fyfe .

You had no choice but to pay overs .

But yes its a decent comparison . You also received pick 30 so it was more pick 6 plus freo upgraded 30 to 19 .

So basically the best comparison of players traded then reached their ceiling after the trade is danger and neale with both winning browlow and premiership with their new club .

What would Neale have cost if he wasn't contracted?

He was a restricted free agent the following year, so Freo would have forced a trade, like Crows did with Dangerfield.

We wouldn’t have made finals without Neale in 2018, so would likely have been our 1st + F1st with something coming back.

As myself and other posters have mentioned before, the majority of these trades are based around what the team trading for the player has in terms of first round picks.

Teams can’t trade what they don’t have.

Someone above mentioned the Cerra and Weller trades.

Weller & GC f**ked that trade up by going public with a commitment to get the trade done.

Cerra wasn’t worth pick 6. Cerra might have been a high draft pick, but he hadn’t performed up to his potential and was/is somewhat injury prone.

Still, that’s the pick Carlton had and the pick Freo demanded for an out of contract player of potential.

Warner is a significantly better player than Cerra, more impactful and less injury prone.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

He was a restricted free agent the following year, so Freo would have forced a trade, like Crows did with Dangerfield.

We wouldn’t have made finals without Neale in 2018, so would likely have been our 1st + F1st with something coming back.

As myself and other posters have mentioned before, the majority of these trades are based around what the team trading for the player has in terms of first round picks.

Teams can’t trade what they don’t have.

Someone above mentioned the Cerra and Weller trades.

Weller & GC f**ked that trade up by going public with a commitment to get the trade done.

Cerra wasn’t worth pick 6. Cerra might have been a high draft pick, but he hadn’t performed up to his potential and was/is somewhat injury prone.

Still, that’s the pick Carlton had and the pick Freo demanded for an out of contract player of potential.

Warner is a significantly better player than Cerra, more impactful and less injury prone.

Cerra when he left freo was 22 and the most damaging mid by foot in their team .

Carlton definitely over paid from the perspective of his output since

The phrase teams work with what they have irks me .

It means teams higher up the ladder can get away with paying less .

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

A family with a kid in the same age group, who have played with and against Walley & Banfield, would pick Walley first.

I feel banfield is very similar to Hamish Davis who was a 4th rounder .

Teams just don't really bother with early bids on father son players unless they are elite .

Camperialli twins and welsh didn't go high.

Hell jake waterman didn't even get bid on

 

[flyinghi64]

I think getting Warner over will have more benefits than just what he can bring as a player.
The flow on affect to the other mids could be massive. At the moment oppo just put time into Reid and/or Kelly and have not much more to worry about. By adding Warner into the mix it gives them an extra player to worry about and then takes a bit of pressure of the other mids. If Hewett steps up and has a good year, like we are hoping, then there's another mid for oppo to think about.
Get Warner. We don't want to overpay but his value can't be undersold.