List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Yes I know Fred possesses both a good inside game, and outside game. He played predominantly an outside role for WA in last year’s U18 Championships. I did watch all the games.

Has all the attributes to potentially develop in to a better mid than Warner.

Yet you labelled Rodriquez an “in and under mid”. Which is it? Or was your post just misleading?

 

[briztoon]

Yet you labelled Rodriquez an “in and under mid”. Which is it? Or was your post just misleading?

Please quote the post here.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

AsterixTheGaul and briztoon sex tape when?

 

[Rowan18]

AsterixTheGaul and briztoon sex tape when?

Can the mods force them to put each other on the ignore list?

 

[ArdentEagle]

briztoon - Don't be sad mate.

What's really sad is that's it's actually my idea of entertainment these days!

 

[briztoon]

Yet you labelled Rodriquez an “in and under mid”. Which is it? Or was your post just misleading?

I believe the post below is the post you are referring to (as it’s the only post where I said “in and under mid”, and it’s the post you originally quoted that kicked this all off).

Looks like you misread and/or misunderstood the post because the bolded words clearly indicate I was referring to two players, Rodriguez and an in and under mid.

Why two players? Well the conversation that post was apart of, was about potentially trading two picks for Warner. One of those theoretical picks drafts Rodriguez, the other drafts the in and under mid.

That’s been my line of thought as well. I’d take Rodriguez and an elite in and under mid over Warner.

 

[mattyc75]

Apparently some of my language wasn’t kosher either. Keep up the condescending language, and I’ll put you on mute, works for both of us. Well me at least.

Otherwise, I’m happy for genuine discussion.



Yes I know Fred possesses both a good inside game, and outside game. He played predominantly an outside role for WA in last year’s U18 Championships. I did watch all the games.

Has all the attributes to potentially develop in to a better mid than Warner.

Sorry big fella. ATG has gone from a respected poster to a trump supporter in his y fronts on the front lawn shouting at clouds very quickly

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[WCE777]

Would be more than happy if we looked at Clancy Dennis, or another young KPD, as a train on option but suspect the club is looking for a slightly older player to fill the last list spot.

No knowledge if that’s the case, just a gut feeling

If Flynn has a decent year does the brains trust think BW could play FB in the Barrass role, physically big enough and can play straight away?
While the young players are developed in KDEF like Maric, A Reid and co.?
Have a decent year and go and buy a ruck ready to go?

 

[eaglesnutcase]

If Flynn has a decent year does the brains trust think BW could play FB in the Barrass role, physically big enough and can play straight away?
While the young players are developed in KDEF like Maric, A Reid and co.?
Have a decent year and go and buy a ruck ready to go?

A lot of our short term development hinges on Flynn.
But I think BW has shown more! This is Flynn’s last big presentation !
But BW to defence has been touted a fair bit due to the uncertainty of our KDPs.
NO! Put it to bed.He’s a c**t of a kick under pressure .
People bag HEd for being slow off the mark but Harris Andrews is no cheetah. It’s reading the play that gets you to position A

 

[stallon]

If Flynn has a decent year does the brains trust think BW could play FB in the Barrass role, physically big enough and can play straight away?
While the young players are developed in KDEF like Maric, A Reid and co.?
Have a decent year and go and buy a ruck ready to go?

I wouldnt want BWilliams to play KPD this year.
We need him to be playing ruck, either in the AFL or WAFL. He needs to be ready to step in at any time if Flynn either gets injured or is playing poorly. Dont want to mess with him by throwing him around the ground. Its not like we have a 3rd ruck option.
Id sooner send Allen back, with Jack Williams taking that #2 KPF in the absence of Allen. Then we could bring in BW/Archer/Shanahan to be the 3rd tall

We have Jamo, Edwards, Bazzo, Gov, Maric and then Allen or maybe Barnett who could play full back at a moments notice.
Sure it might not be ideal but it doesnt have to be at this stage

 

[WCE777]

I wouldnt want BWilliams to play KPD this year.
We need him to be playing ruck, either in the AFL or WAFL. He needs to be ready to step in at any time if Flynn either gets injured or is playing poorly. Dont want to mess with him by throwing him around the ground. Its not like we have a 3rd ruck option.
Id sooner send Allen back, with Jack Williams taking that #2 KPF in the absence of Allen. Then we could bring in BW/Archer/Shanahan to be the 3rd tall

We have Jamo, Edwards, Bazzo, Gov, Maric and then Allen or maybe Barnett who could play full back at a moments notice.
Sure it might not be ideal but it doesnt have to be at this stage

Fair enough.
I wouldn't be sending a premium FWD in Allen back.
I think JW will be playing 3rd tall FWD and taking small amount of ruck in fwd line and getting a few games into him, looks like a ripper.
Jamo won't make it imo.
Still think A Reid or Barnett will end up back if Barnett doesn't progress in ruck.

 

[stallon]

Fair enough.
I wouldn't be sending a premium FWD in Allen back.

I didnt say any moves would be permanent.

I think JW will be playing 3rd tall FWD and taking small amount of ruck in fwd line and getting a few games into him, looks like a ripper.

He will be #2 if Allen isnt in the f50

Jamo won't make it imo.

Hes still a KPD on the list who is big enough to stand next to a standard KPF

Still think A Reid or Barnett will end up back if Barnett doesn't progress in ruck.

That doesnt help us in 2025

Allen I would absolutely be sending back if Edwards, Gov, and Jamo were all out injured(not unlikely at all) and we needed a tall over 20 years of age to play alongside Maric and Bazzo. Realistically thats the only time BW might get a look at a KPD too.

There is no other option on the list outside BW who like I said is our only backup ruck on the list

It then would create an opportunity for Archer or Shanahan up forward.

 

[boondy]

Was it 2018 when McKenzie and Brown went down and we had a smaller more mobile defence? Worked!

No Mckenzie 196cm was replaced by McGovern 197cm
Mitch Brown 195cm was replaced by
Wil Schofield 196cm

 

[We_The_West]

2015 - Simmo's second season and Gov's breakout year.

Also career best years for Sheppard and Wellingham in defense and Gaff on the wing.

The web worked so well that year that I'm surprised it never made a comeback, even in Simmos last 3 years when we couldn't buy a win. Surely the WEAGLES WEB would have stopped us getting belted by 10+ goals every week

 

[eaglevision]

Oscar, Snake, JWill, Archer and Shanahan are our KPFs for the next 15 years. With the exception of Flynn, every other tall on the list should be training to become a KPD with Barnett, BWill and Livingstone being able to chop out in the ruck.

Other than lacking quality KPDs, the two biggest issues with this are the lack of a promising young ruck and how the dumpster fire Beagles will affect the development of players, particularly Archer and Shanahan.

We missed a trick not taking Knobel or Dennis in the rookie draft and almost certainly could have taken Dodson for Hawthorn’s F3. Why not ask Dennis to play for the Beagles? That ship has now almost certainly sailed but can’t hurt to ask the question and get him in and around the club ahead of the MSD. He’ll be right under our noses and would feel comfortable at the club.

There are a number of standout FWD/rucks in the draft this year, (Emmett and Duff-Tytler in particular) but with three young FWD/rucks already on the list I’d rather a pure ruckman although Duff-Tytler has shown promise as a KPD as well which makes him a player of interest. None of our long term KPDs are on our list IMO. Curtin, Dennis and possibly Duff-Tytler are the players I’ll be watching closely this year to potentially fill than role. I know Dan Curtin wants to be a midfielder but if we can get Cody then him a year later our KPD would suddenly be very, very promising.

Flynn Penry is also worth keeping an eye on as a 200cm+ GWV ruckman that was overlooked in the draft. Missed the first half of the year but came back strongly to average over 25 hit outs in the CTL.

 

[mattyc75]

Oscar, Snake, JWill, Archer and Shanahan are our KPFs for the next 15 years. With the exception of Flynn, every other tall on the list should be training to become a KPD with Barnett, BWill and Livingstone being able to chop out in the ruck.

Other than lacking quality KPDs, the two biggest issues with this are the lack of a promising young ruck and how the dumpster fire Beagles will affect the development of players, particularly Archer and Shanahan.

We missed a trick not taking Knobel or Dennis in the rookie draft and almost certainly could have taken Dodson for Hawthorn’s F3. Why not ask Dennis to play for the Beagles? That ship has now almost certainly sailed but can’t hurt to ask the question and get him in and around the club ahead of the MSD. He’ll be right under our noses and would feel comfortable at the club.

There are a number of standout FWD/rucks in the draft this year, (Emmett and Duff-Tytler in particular) but with three young FWD/rucks already on the list I’d rather a pure ruckman although Duff-Tytler has shown promise as a KPD as well which makes him a player of interest. None of our long term KPDs are on our list IMO. Curtin, Dennis and possibly Duff-Tytler are the players I’ll be watching closely this year to potentially fill than role. I know Dan Curtin wants to be a midfielder but if we can get Cody then him a year later our KPD would suddenly be very, very promising.

Flynn Penry is also worth keeping an eye on as a 200cm+ GWV ruckman that was overlooked in the draft. Missed the first half of the year but came back strongly to average over 25 hit outs in the CTL.

Yes , please no more forward rucks...
Dodson seemed to slip down the draft a bit. Was it just everyone wanting experienced rucks do you think?

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[eaglevision]

Yes , please no more forward rucks...
Dodson seemed to slip down the draft a bit. Was it just everyone wanting experienced rucks do you think?

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To be rated so highly yet have so many teams pass on him there’s obviously something recruiters have seen that is a perceived flaw. I know one club in particular wasn’t convinced he’d stick with footy over basketball if he didn’t look like playing in or soon after his first contract which as an 18yo ruckman is probably not going to happen. That may well be a view held industry wide, otherwise it would be an aspect of his game as I’m not aware of any other attitude issues.

There was one mitigating circumstance. All the talk of Adelaide nailing the draft is a joke. they have two old rucks, one is now seriously injured and there’s talk of the other quitting and going into studying medicine. Meanwhile a very good local talent in positional need slips to the 50s. Crazy.

They took the best available with their first pick but stuffed their list management up so they didn’t have another pick until Tyler Welsh. I think they would have strongly considered Dodson if they had any pick and list spot from 30 onwards.

 

[mattyc75]

To be rated so highly yet have so many teams pass on him there’s obviously something recruiters have seen that is a perceived flaw. I know one club in particular wasn’t convinced he’d stick with footy over basketball if he didn’t look like playing in or soon after his first contract which as an 18yo ruckman is probably not going to happen. That may well be a view held industry wide, otherwise it would be an aspect of his game as I’m not aware of any other attitude issues.

There was one mitigating circumstance. All the talk of Adelaide nailing the draft is a joke. they have two old rucks, one is now seriously injured and there’s talk of the other quitting and going into studying medicine. Meanwhile a very good local talent in positional need slips to the 50s. Crazy.

They took the best available with their first pick but stuffed their list management up so they didn’t have another pick until Tyler Welsh. I think they would have strongly considered Dodson if they had any pick and list spot from 30 onwards.

Yeah there mustve been something going on there. Hopefully there's a stronger ruck contingent in next years draft

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[eaglevision]

Yeah there mustve been something going on there. Hopefully there's a stronger ruck contingent in next years draft

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I haven’t seen any stand outs apart from the fwd/rucks I’ve mentioned who will be in top 10 considerations. Schubert also from SA looks good, more mobile but a bit undersized at 195cm unless he grows 5cm+ although he’s another player seen as a fwd/ruck rather than a Knobel or Dodson pure ruck.

 

[WCE777]

Oscar, Snake, JWill, Archer and Shanahan are our KPFs for the next 15 years. With the exception of Flynn, every other tall on the list should be training to become a KPD with Barnett, BWill and Livingstone being able to chop out in the ruck.

Other than lacking quality KPDs, the two biggest issues with this are the lack of a promising young ruck and how the dumpster fire Beagles will affect the development of players, particularly Archer and Shanahan.

We missed a trick not taking Knobel or Dennis in the rookie draft and almost certainly could have taken Dodson for Hawthorn’s F3. Why not ask Dennis to play for the Beagles? That ship has now almost certainly sailed but can’t hurt to ask the question and get him in and around the club ahead of the MSD. He’ll be right under our noses and would feel comfortable at the club.

There are a number of standout FWD/rucks in the draft this year, (Emmett and Duff-Tytler in particular) but with three young FWD/rucks already on the list I’d rather a pure ruckman although Duff-Tytler has shown promise as a KPD as well which makes him a player of interest. None of our long term KPDs are on our list IMO. Curtin, Dennis and possibly Duff-Tytler are the players I’ll be watching closely this year to potentially fill than role. I know Dan Curtin wants to be a midfielder but if we can get Cody then him a year later our KPD would suddenly be very, very promising.

Flynn Penry is also worth keeping an eye on as a 200cm+ GWV ruckman that was overlooked in the draft. Missed the first half of the year but came back strongly to average over 25 hit outs in the CTL.

agree with most, will be 1 of Archer or Shanahan that are KPF for the next 15 years.
1 of Archer or Shanahan will need to transition to KDEF as we have an abundance of KPF's and need KDEF players.
Promising young ruck can wait for the right time, they take 5-6 years to develop and WC are in need of a ruck within 2 years, buy a 23-24yo 204cm+ almost ready ruck and develop for when we are finals bound in 2028.
If Barnett doesn't develop in the ruck he will be needing to have a breakout as a KDEF to remain on the list.
Agree we seriously need to draft KDEF options and Curtin looks the stand out option at the moment, Dennis as a train on/rookie or MSD would be a great start.
Where are the beagles at?

 

[eaglesnutcase]

No Mckenzie 196cm was replaced by McGovern 197cm
Mitch Brown 195cm was replaced by
Wil Schofield 196cm

I suppose height wise yes but certainly not power defenders

 

[eaglevision]

agree with most, will be 1 of Archer or Shanahan that are KPF for the next 15 years.
1 of Archer or Shanahan will need to transition to KDEF as we have an abundance of KPF's and need KDEF players.
Promising young ruck can wait for the right time, they take 5-6 years to develop and WC are in need of a ruck within 2 years, buy a 23-24yo 204cm+ almost ready ruck and develop for when we are finals bound in 2028.
If Barnett doesn't develop in the ruck he will be needing to have a breakout as a KDEF to remain on the list.
Agree we seriously need to draft KDEF options and Curtin looks the stand out option at the moment, Dennis as a train on/rookie or MSD would be a great start.
Where are the beagles at?

Would you have sent Daniel Kerr to develop as forward flank because we had an abundance of mids? Shanahan and Archer are too good and complement each other too well to shift straight into KPD without seeing if they can make it as KPFs. Get Cody, target a young KPD (preferably Dan Curtin and Zac Reid) and the age profile is much better.

By promising young ruck I meant a Max Knobel or what should have been Barnett type with a couple of years in the system.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Silly question, Freddy is not linked to our NGA?

I thought we had a decent kid coming up in 2025, sorry I cant recall the name?

And since we get hard on for kids in their draft year, is it Sharp or Freddy we want?

 

[Obeanie1]

agree with most, will be 1 of Archer or Shanahan that are KPF for the next 15 years.
1 of Archer or Shanahan will need to transition to KDEF as we have an abundance of KPF's and need KDEF players.
Promising young ruck can wait for the right time, they take 5-6 years to develop and WC are in need of a ruck within 2 years, buy a 23-24yo 204cm+ almost ready ruck and develop for when we are finals bound in 2028.
If Barnett doesn't develop in the ruck he will be needing to have a breakout as a KDEF to remain on the list.
Agree we seriously need to draft KDEF options and Curtin looks the stand out option at the moment, Dennis as a train on/rookie or MSD would be a great start.
Where are the beagles at?

IMO fast forward 3 to 4 years and we will find our tall defenders are already on the list now.

A Reid, Barnett, Bazzo and Shannahan.

H Edwards looks like his body can't handle AFL level training loads But may surprise.....not holding my breath there.

Sure we likely draft or trade in another KP defender however the cupboard is not bare.

 

[Obeanie1]

Would you have sent Daniel Kerr to develop as forward flank because we had an abundance of mids? Shanahan and Archer are too good and complement each other too well to shift straight into KPD without seeing if they can make it as KPFs. Get Cody, target a young KPD (preferably Dan Curtin and Zac Reid) and the age profile is much better.

By promising young ruck I meant a Max Knobel or what should have been Barnett type with a couple of years in the system.

So who out of Oscar, Jake or J Williams gets the boot so these unproven kids can play forward?

And young mids normally develop on a flank in early years. Very very few can walk into a centre square rotation.