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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[WCE777]

It's a strong possibility he grows into a key position height by the time he is available to draft

yes your right, somewhere between 192-194 maybe which is between a Hough-Bazzo height.
Hopefully keeps improving

 

[absolutemadness]

It's a strong possibility he grows into a key position height by the time he is available to draft

Wouldn’t that be a bonus. Having said that we need that evasive fast HBF to bust the game open with quick ball movement and a penetrating kick so either works as long as he is a gun

 

[absolutemadness]

100% agree with your analysis.
My thoughts are Curtin at this stage is the standout KDEF in this draft, probably making him somewhere around 10-15 pick.
GC have roughly picks 6, 10(PA), 13(COLL), and their academy tied talent are Uwland(top 5), Addinsall(20-30), Patterson(20-30), early days but with GC 3 1st round picks they are going to need at tops 2 of them and looking to trade down the draft order or into next year with 1.
This presents he best opportunity for WC to grab 10 or 13 for Curtin with our 2025 2nd round and F2nd or something of that value.
Banfield and Walley are regarded as mid 2nd round picks, around 30 or so and Hawks 2nd round pick is around 28-30, if neither bids come before that WC should trade that pick into 2026 as we still have Hawks 3rd round 45-48 available to match 1 bid for a player and then draft into wherever the next bid comes, whether that is in the late 30's or 40's to match the other bid. Draft done and dusted, Rodriguez/Sharp/Kelly, Curtin and 2 FS/NGA picks.
1 or both of Petch and Chesser will need to improve their position considerably in the team or will be traded for a couple of 3rd round picks imo.

It’s either Warner or Rodriguez realistically. I only prefer Warner over Rodriguez because he will have an immediate impact straight away which might be relevant to taking pressure off Harley and therefore resigning him.

Harley breaking tackles and making the play himself or alternatively dishing off to Warner, Hewitt, Yeo or Kelly has some serious potential finals wining quantity about it. Graham, Baker, Allan and Ginbey adding the defensive running for those power mids to play a naturally attacking game. Just need Allen to get back some form and Shanahan, or A Reid to come on to support Waterman. Feels like small forwards pressure should be okay with Owies, Ryan, Hutchinson Gross etc

 

[briztoon]

100% agree with your analysis.
My thoughts are Curtin at this stage is the standout KDEF in this draft, probably making him somewhere around 10-15 pick.
GC have roughly picks 6, 10(PA), 13(COLL), and their academy tied talent are Uwland(top 5), Addinsall(20-30), Patterson(20-30), early days but with GC 3 1st round picks they are going to need at tops 2 of them and looking to trade down the draft order or into next year with 1.

I believe Addinsall will be close to a top 10 pick. Gets lost a bit in the Uwland hype, but was the MVP of the U16 division 2 teams, and is a better player than the Lions academy kid, who’s rated top 10.

This presents he best opportunity for WC to grab 10 or 13 for Curtin with our 2025 2nd round and F2nd or something of that value.
Banfield and Walley are regarded as mid 2nd round picks, around 30 or so and Hawks 2nd round pick is around 28-30, if neither bids come before that WC should trade that pick into 2026 as we still have Hawks 3rd round 45-48 available to match 1 bid for a player and then draft into wherever the next bid comes, whether that is in the late 30's or 40's to match the other bid. Draft done and dusted, Rodriguez/Sharp/Kelly, Curtin and 2 FS/NGA picks.
1 or both of Petch and Chesser will need to improve their position considerably in the team or will be traded for a couple of 3rd round picks imo.

 

[WCE777]

It’s either Warner or Rodriguez realistically. I only prefer Warner over Rodriguez because he will have an immediate impact straight away which might be relevant to taking pressure off Harley and therefore resigning him.

Harley breaking tackles and making the play himself or alternatively dishing off to Warner, Hewitt, Yeo or Kelly has some serious potential finals wining quantity about it. Graham, Baker, Allan and Ginbey adding the defensive running for those power mids to play a naturally attacking game. Just need Allen to get back some form and Shanahan, or A Reid to come on to support Waterman. Feels like small forwards pressure should be okay with Owies, Ryan, Hutchinson Gross etc

If WC are giving up our 1st pick for Warner they are not giving giving up another 1st round pick this year, Warner is worth 2 mid 1st first round picks so essentially a 2nd round pick with our pick 3-4 is full value.
That would leave Hawks 1st for Curtin, Hawks 2nd and 3rd round picks for Banfield and Walley.
Also leaving all our 2026 draft capital in place, depends where Rodriguez/Kelly fall and whether WC want to use a F1st to get 1 of them or keep their capital for 2026?
Its feasible that 1 of them falls to mid-late 1st round, Rodriguez rated around 5-10 and B Kelly 10-20.
I would personally use the capital if 1 of them type of quality players was still available, we are still a couple of mids short of a good team, drafting wise and while we are closer to the bottom use that to get best available.

 

[WCE777]

I believe Addinsall will be close to a top 10 pick. Gets lost a bit in the Uwland hype, but was the MVP of the U16 division 2 teams, and is a better player than the Lions academy kid, who’s rated top 10.

IYO that's where they fall and a long way to end of 2025 but still leaves a 1st rounder for GC to trade imo.
If that's the case your team will need have enough points for a top 5-10 player, you have equivalent to pick 7 at the moment and not much else.

 

[briztoon]

IYO that's where they fall and a long way to end of 2025 but still leaves a 1st rounder for GC to trade imo.
If that's the case your team will need have enough points for a top 5-10 player, you have equivalent to pick 7 at the moment and not much else.

I'm waiting for the U18 championships to really see how the draft crop pans out.

Patterson could genuinely be a top 15 pick as well. He's very talented and athletically gifted, and GC have a fourth kid as well (not Kalani White) Jai Murray who is very talented.

As for matching a bid for Annable, we can always take a deficit on our 2026 draft if we don't have the points this year.

 

[briztoon]

If WC are giving up our 1st pick for Warner they are not giving giving up another 1st round pick this year,

If you are giving up your first pick for Warner, then I wouldn't be adding another first round pick at all, this year or next, or 2027.

Warner is worth 2 mid 1st first round picks so essentially a 2nd round pick with our pick 3-4 is full value.

I believe he's worth a bit more than two mid first round picks. I'd be comfortable with something like pick 5/6 plus a late first round pick, or very early second round pick.

That would leave Hawks 1st for Curtin, Hawks 2nd and 3rd round picks for Banfield and Walley.
Also leaving all our 2026 draft capital in place, depends where Rodriguez/Kelly fall and whether WC want to use a F1st to get 1 of them or keep their capital for 2026?
Its feasible that 1 of them falls to mid-late 1st round, Rodriguez rated around 5-10 and B Kelly 10-20.
I would personally use the capital if 1 of them type of quality players was still available, we are still a couple of mids short of a good team, drafting wise and while we are closer to the bottom use that to get best available.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

In 3, 2, 1 ...

 

[WCE777]

If you are giving up your first pick for Warner, then I wouldn't be adding another first round pick at all, this year or next, or 2027.

I believe he's worth a bit more than two mid first round picks. I'd be comfortable with something like pick 5/6 plus a late first round pick, or very early second round pick.

that was my point if WC hand over their 1st round pick 3-5 then WC 2nd round would be full value, trade over

 

[MaxHunt]

that was my point if WC hand over their 1st round pick 3-5 then WC 2nd round would be full value, trade over

Pick 3 alone should suffice. If mores needed it should be 3rd rnd

 

[briztoon]

that was my point if WC hand over their 1st round pick 3-5 then WC 2nd round would be full value, trade over

BTW I do believe there is merit in your post above, about considering trading your F1 back in to the middle of the first of this years draft, if possible. Especially if you have a possible first round nga kid in the 2026 draft.

 

[MrWoollie]

Feels like if we can add Warner (our first and future first), Rodriquez or Blake Kelly (not fussy but realistically Rodriguez might go to early so Kelly would be good fall back with Hawks first), Curtin (trading up with combo of our 2nd and a player surplus to needs or Hawks 2nd), Banfield and Walley this year and a half back like Kenh next year who has pace and is attacking then we will have filled a lot of our gaps but for an A grade Ruck.

Just have to use our draft capital properly but that’s the big question as can’t give away the farm for Warner and still get the others. No way we get all the above without our future first and doing some fancy footwork to get up the draft for Curtin.

Warner is good, but no way is he pick 2 + pick 3 good. Pick 2 (2025 1st rounder) is more than enough when you look at big trades over the past few years. Even Cameron, on DVI, was about pick 4 1/2.

Fair offer. Hawks 2025 pick 1 and either a round 2 or future round 2.
Take Rodriquez with WC R1 pick, and get either Curtin or Warner with the Hawks pick.

 

[WCE777]

Pick 3 alone should suffice. If mores needed it should be 3rd rnd

believe Warner is worth around two mid first round picks, so if it goes that way that WC have to use our first round pick 3-5 then our 2nd round pick is fair value and about right on value.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

believe Warner is worth around two mid first round picks, so if it goes that way that WC have to use our first round pick 3-5 then our 2nd round pick is fair value and about right on value.

We don’t get Warner with just hawks Pick next year unless they have an implosion and it’s top6/7 I’d suggest the starting points would be wce 2025 (1-5) or hawks (8-18) plus WCE 2026 F1st.

Brackets are just guesses to where both teams will finish next year pick wise

 

[chaddy22]

It’s either Warner or Rodriguez realistically. I only prefer Warner over Rodriguez because he will have an immediate impact straight away which might be relevant to taking pressure off Harley and therefore resigning him.

Harley breaking tackles and making the play himself or alternatively dishing off to Warner, Hewitt, Yeo or Kelly has some serious potential finals wining quantity about it. Graham, Baker, Allan and Ginbey adding the defensive running for those power mids to play a naturally attacking game. Just need Allen to get back some form and Shanahan, or A Reid to come on to support Waterman. Feels like small forwards pressure should be okay with Owies, Ryan, Hutchinson Gross etc

Re-signing not resigning. two different meanings.

 

[WCE777]

Warner is good, but no way is he pick 2 + pick 3 good. Pick 2 (2025 1st rounder) is more than enough when you look at big trades over the past few years. Even Cameron, on DVI, was about pick 4 1/2.

Fair offer. Hawks 2025 pick 1 and either a round 2 or future round 2.
Take Rodriquez with WC R1 pick, and get either Curtin or Warner with the Hawks pick.

fair enough.
I believe what you quoting is correct, it is somewhere around there, pick 3-4 imo, if WC use future picks you have to apply a penalty on that so Hawks 1st and a WC 2nd round is very close, a couple of F2nd rounders with Hawks 1st doesn't matter how we make it up, swaps for later etc.
The outlier here is brother Corey is worth something in the deal as it's a 2 for 1 arrangement.

 

[WCE777]

We don’t get Warner with just hawks Pick next year unless they have an implosion and it’s top6/7 I’d suggest the starting points would be wce 2025 (1-5) or hawks (8-18) plus WCE 2026 F1st.

Brackets are just guesses to where both teams will finish next year pick wise

that will not happen, no deal in history is worth that, Judd was 2 high picks 3 and 4 and Warner isn't Judd.

 

[Elite Pete]

No way they have the points to do that without losing some good best 22 players in the process

Always a way.

Reidy might fetch a 2nd rounder. See how his season plays out.

If they get Warner. I doubt they don’t match the other two in the drafts

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Oscar Allen played mainly back in his debut year and was in line to replace McGovern in the GF side if Gov failed his fitness test

Just don’t put Shanahan or Reid in the ruck, they can play in defence though

We have played jack Williams in the ruck the last 2 seasons and he only turned 21 last month !

These precious talls now days

 

[briztoon]

Always a way.

Reidy might fetch a 2nd rounder. See how his season plays out.

If they get Warner. I doubt they don’t match the other two in the drafts

Teams can always go in to deficit to match a bid on an nga player, if they don’t have enough points in the current draft.

Future points are calculated on the points values of pick 18, 36 & 54. So 1167 points if you hold a future pick in each round. Which is enough to match a bid at pick 10, plus whatever points you hold in the current draft.

Even under the new system, it would be very hard for a team to NOT be able to match an academy kid bid on at pick 1. Even if that team won the cup the previous year.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

I believe he's worth a bit more than two mid first round picks. I'd be comfortable with something like pick 5/6 plus a late first round pick, or very early second round pick.

What did you guys give up for dunkley ?

Pick 5/6 + a late 1st early 2nd is double what you guys paid

Is warner worth twice as much as dunkley ?

 

[Monsterdarlz]

that will not happen, no deal in history is worth that, Judd was 2 high picks 3 and 4 and Warner isn't Judd.

2026 futures potentially has tassie swallowing up picks and futures has a discount as it is doubt you would get anything sooner then pick 10 in a current draft for a f1 in a diluted talent pool to come

 

[WCE777]

2026 futures potentially has tassie swallowing up picks and futures has a discount as it is doubt you would get anything sooner then pick 10 in a current draft for a f1 in a diluted talent pool to come

Tassie picks are 2027.
Agree with a F1st around pick 10.