List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[FKASC]

They massively overpaid.

29 yr old.

1st
2nd
And a 3rd

That's overpaying.

Yeah I know. But teams in finals tend to overpay and you come to expect that. Like we overpaid for Wellingham and Kelly, and most people concede that it was understandable given where the club was at.

You’d be less understanding paying what we did for those players if we were rock bottom

 

[eaglevision]

Is Barrass a top 5 KPD though?

The AFL had him and Gov both in the top 5 from memory.

 

[Obeanie1]

So if they win the flag the picks are 18,36,54. 18 goes out to 30 based on last two years (and almost certainly more this year) and the others become junk picks unless 36 is used to match an early 1R bid, which there won’t be.

So in that scenario contracted top 5 KPD in the league for pick 30 and shit. Terrible deal, but that would be worst case scenario.

Hawks finish bottom 6 then we can start talking about them overpaying, although I’ve said all along that Barrass with some salary should have been two mid teens picks or a pick 6-10 plus a pick in the mid twenties so a finish of 11th-12th would be about right given the one year delay of draft picks and no salary paid.

They won't win the flag. Anyone predicting that just doesn't get football. Don't be surprised if the Hawks take one step back before improving again. Team development and success is not always linear. See the Crows in 2024.

They over paid for a 29 yr old fullback. With queries on his back and one on one defending.

 

[eaglevision]

They won't win the flag. Anyone predicting that just doesn't get football. Don't be surprised if the Hawks take one step back before improving again. Team development and success is not always linear. See the Crows in 2024.

They over paid for a 29 yr old fullback. With queries on his back and one on one defending.

FWIW I don’t the think the Hawks will even make the 8 but it’s pretty arrogant to say anyone disagreeing with your opinion of the Hawks not winning the flag doesn’t get football.

You also can’t possibly say they overpaid when the picks could be anything ranging from 1,19,37 to 18,36,54. If they make finals they got a bargain IMO.

 

[briztoon]

Is Barrass a top 5 KPD though?

Depends on the definition of KPD.

There’s a graph available of key defenders one on one win loss record for 2024. Neither McGovern or Barrass are represented on the graph. I’m not sure why.

 

[Grahame]

It was never about whether they improve the club, we all know they do. It was about overpaying for Baker

That statement may be closer to the truth if you ignore Baker’s leadership qualities - which have now been officially recognised by the club with his addition to the leadership group.

It also assumes getting Baker had no influence on Graham joining us - who we got for SFA - and whose leadership has also been officially recognised by his addition to the leadership group.

Remember both guys are only 2-3 months older than Waterman and have multiple premierships.

But I guess those who only want to take a narrow view will never be happy.

 

[briztoon]

FWIW I don’t the think the Hawks will even make the 8 but it’s pretty arrogant to say anyone disagreeing with your opinion of the Hawks not winning the flag doesn’t get football.

You also can’t possibly say they overpaid when the picks could be anything ranging from 1,19,37 to 18,36,54. If they make finals they got a bargain IMO.

I believe this is correct. Until the picks land, no one knows what the actual cost of Barrass is.

I do know 12 months ago Obeanie1 valued Barrass at a mid to late first plus something. He posted that on here when a lot when people were discussing what Barrass was worth, and it was one of the few times we were on the same side of a discussion.

Both of us were pushing back on the idea of Barrass being worth 2 first rounders, due to his age and back injury.

So I guess it’s the value of where the Hawks first round pick lands, and the value of the “something” that determines whether Hawks overpaid or not.

The new dvi significantly devalues second and third round picks now, and so does the potential high number of club tied nga and father son players in this year’s draft.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Is Barrass a top 5 KPD though?

There’s a graph available of key defenders one on one win loss record for 2024. Neither McGovern or Barrass are represented on the graph.

Sounds useful.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

They paid basically their entire original 2025 draft hand for one player. A 29 year old.

If that isn't overpaying I don't know what is.

But they were only comfortable to do this since they had Carlton's 1st & 2nd round picks to replace those picks.
It's different to how we were left after the TK trade.

 

[Keys]

When you look at what Hawthorn did overall, they came out of it well and helped us in the process albeit they unnecessarily dragged out the trade which was a bit of a dick move

From reports, it sounded like pick 14 and Hawthorn’s F2 would have got the deal done IF they offered it. Which I don’t believe they did. Instead they worked a deal with Carlton who desperately wanted another R1 pick - exchanging their F1 and F2 picks for 14

Ultimately, Hawthorn traded out 14 and their F3 with our F4 going back to get Barrass, whilst swapping their F1 and F2 picks for Carlton’s. That will likely be a minor upgrade or a minor downgrade depending on 2025 finishing positions

We missed out on 14 from Hawthorn but got their F1 instead and upgraded our F4 to their F3 whilst still getting their F2 as we originally wanted

Carlton were the ones that gave up a lot - pick 12 and their F1 and F2 picks (and Owies) to get the pick needed for Jagga Smith. Two picks in the teens and another around 30, plus a player, is not far off what we paid for Kelly

 

[Carbine Chaos]

If I were Mitchell, Barrass down back would allow me to play Sicily as a forward for the whole season. Battle can play Sicily's 3rd tall intercept role perfectly.

I think he can be a real difference maker there. Sicily is a significant upgrade on Chol up front.

It's also the reason I think taking the Hawks picks and not Carlton's ones was a bit of a mistake. But only time will tell.

 

[amazingjoshy]

If I were Mitchell, Barrass down back would allow me to play Sicily as a forward for the whole season. Battle can play Sicily's 3rd tall intercept role perfectly.

I think he can be a real difference maker there. Sicily is a significant upgrade on Chol up front.

It's also the reason I think taking the Hawks picks and not Carlton's ones was a bit of a mistake. But only time will tell.

I was all for the Hawks picks at the time of the trade, I do think they'll drop a bit as other teams work them out, but will be an interesting watch

But Carltons pre season so far
Curnow injury so limited PS
Walsh injury so limited PS
Newman gone for the year

Plus the off field dramas involving the president whilst probably not going to influence on field at all, the instability at the club can't help

 

[stallon]

That statement may be closer to the truth if you ignore Baker’s leadership qualities - which have now been officially recognised by the club with his addition to the leadership group.

It also assumes getting Baker had no influence on Graham joining us - who we got for SFA - and whose leadership has also been officially recognised by his addition to the leadership group.

Remember both guys are only 2-3 months older than Waterman and have multiple premierships.

But I guess those who only want to take a narrow view will never be happy.

If Baker was such a great leader why wasnt he the captain of Richmond?
Picks in the teens were so valuable that North were offering their f1(likely top 5 pick) for even picks in the 20s, thats what we potentially gave up for Baker.
Baker isnt a star, hes a good role player. Leadership to the level that hes not even the captain of his old club cant be worth upgrading from a 20s pick to pick 14.

 

[stallon]

I was all for the Hawks picks at the time of the trade, I do think they'll drop a bit as other teams work them out, but will be an interesting watch

But Carltons pre season so far
Curnow injury so limited PS
Walsh injury so limited PS
Newman gone for the year

Plus the off field dramas involving the president whilst probably not going to influence on field at all, the instability at the club can't help

I think you can scratch Walsh off there, he hasnt had a full preseason and played until round 5 for the last 3 years. A minor hammy is far less of a hurdle than his usual back injuries or whatever.

 

[stallon]

If I were Mitchell, Barrass down back would allow me to play Sicily as a forward for the whole season. Battle can play Sicily's 3rd tall intercept role perfectly.

I think he can be a real difference maker there. Sicily is a significant upgrade on Chol up front.

It's also the reason I think taking the Hawks picks and not Carlton's ones was a bit of a mistake. But only time will tell.

Yeah their structure is very good now with Barrass, even if Barrass goes down they still have Frost who played some good footy in 2024 as backup.

I still think their small forwards and midfield can get found out and exposed which will hold them back

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Can't see Carlton finishing above Hawthorn

 

[eaglesnutcase]

If Baker was such a great leader why wasnt he the captain of Richmond?
Picks in the teens were so valuable that North were offering their f1(likely top 5 pick) for even picks in the 20s, thats what we potentially gave up for Baker.
Baker isnt a star, hes a good role player. Leadership to the level that hes not even the captain of his old club cant be worth upgrading from a 20s pick to pick 14.

Be careful about gobbing off too much re Baker. By seasons end you “may” have egg on your face! Graham was part of the deal and he’s tearing up the track. Can’t fault their commitment .Obviously not come over for a retirement pay check !!

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Be careful about gobbing off too much re Baker. By seasons end you “may” have egg on your face! Graham was part of the deal and he’s tearing up the track. Can’t fault their commitment .Obviously not come over for a retirement pay check !!

Unless Baker has career best seasons i can't see him being worth pick 14 in that stacked draft.

No season Baker has had previously is worth pick 14 .

 

[stallon]

Be careful about gobbing off too much re Baker. By seasons end you “may” have egg on your face! Graham was part of the deal and he’s tearing up the track. Can’t fault their commitment .Obviously not come over for a retirement pay check !!

What?

I dont think Baker could do anything that would "put egg on my face".
How exactly is he going to demonstrate such a high level of leadership to the general public to justify a huge overpay based on his playing ability?

Even if he comes out and wins a brownlow, that still wont justify his price as prior to this year he hasnt demonstrated anything to justify his price.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Hawks essentially gave up there pick 14 for barrass in a roundabout way if they over paid for barrass in a position of need league wide especially for us given the injury history of gov and Edwards.

The handling of baker and pick 3 was especially poor we went to cashies with a 50 dollar bill and left with 20

 

[bzparkes]

Unless Baker has career best seasons i can't see him being worth pick 14 in that stacked draft.

No season Baker has had previously is worth pick 14 .

Even draft, not 'stacked'.

None of the draftees, including #1, are projected to be as good as the top end of any of the previous 4 or 5 drafts, at this stage.

 

[bzparkes]

If Baker was such a great leader why wasnt he the captain of Richmond?
Picks in the teens were so valuable that North were offering their f1(likely top 5 pick) for even picks in the 20s, thats what we potentially gave up for Baker.
Baker isnt a star, hes a good role player. Leadership to the level that hes not even the captain of his old club cant be worth upgrading from a 20s pick to pick 14.

Early 20s would been my choice but we didn't have that, so you can only use what you actually have available to you.

Most Richmond fans all said he'd have been the next captain if he stayed, but he didn't, so we'll never know.

Aside from that, the whole trade ended up being offset by the fact that Allan was still available at 14, as was Shanahan at our next pick.

I know it's with the benefit of hindsight but I guess Pyke(?) was correct when he said you need to look at the trade after the draft period to assess how successful it was and as of now, it's looking pretty good.

Did we get lucky? Yes, but we also got lucky with Reid by losing to Essendon by a pt at Marvel late in 2023, as we also did with North beating GC in Hobart.

 

[stallon]

Early 20s would been my choice but we didn't have that, so you can only use what you actually have available to you.

Most Richmond fans all said he'd have been the next captain if he stayed, but he didn't, so we'll never know.

Aside from that, the whole trade ended up being offset by the fact that Allan was still available at 14, as was Shanahan at our next pick.

I know it's with the benefit of hindsight but I guess Pyke(?) was correct when he said you need to look at the trade after the draft period to assess how successful it was and as of now, it's looking pretty good.

Did we get lucky? Yes, but we also got lucky with Reid by losing to Essendon by a pt at Marvel late in 2023, as we also did with North beating GC in Hobart.

If you count Richmonds slightly "odd" drafting maybe we got something back(if they left Allan for us), but I think you do still have to count it as a total of the west coast and Richmond off-season dealings, rather than counting the Hawks or Carlton deals as offsetting it making the poor deal ok.

In totality it was better than average imo, but arguably with the other small wins we had, it shouldve been even better.

 

[bzparkes]

If you count Richmonds slightly "odd" drafting maybe we got something back(if they left Allan for us), but I think you do still have to count it as a total of the west coast and Richmond off-season dealings, rather than counting the Hawks or Carlton deals as offsetting it making the poor deal ok.

In totality it was better than average imo, but arguably with the other small wins we had, it shouldve been even better.

It should've for sure but thankfully, it all worked out.

Whether that was part of the plaza only god(or WCE_phil) knows...

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Even draft, not 'stacked'.

None of the draftees, including #1, are projected to be as good as the top end of any of the previous 4 or 5 drafts, at this stage.

Nah stacked draft. I've heard previous drafts as not rating players from pick 20 onwards .

We had clubs giving up very good future picks for 40s picks this season