List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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[THE A5]

Good post.

I'll make the bold prediction that, in 5-6 years time, Williams will have found his level at the VFL playing as a key defender in the Liam Jones mould.

He doesn't do enough in the ruck but has the athleticism to make it at that level in a different role IMO.

Or he’ll kill it in the ruck where there ain’t many top quality rucks at that level

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

He’s a whole three months older than Jamieson, should be blowing him off the park really.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I can't respond to everyone quoting me sorry gaiz (work doesn't pay me enough) so i'm just going to make funny's and talk shit instead



Williams pRoDiGiOus lEaP has been the most overhyped thing i've seen since Tunbridge's tackle.

For all the weapon it's supposed to be, it rarely transfers to anything on field whatsoever. Other than that speccy he took in the WAFL and the 1 contested clunk he might do in a pack every 3 or so games, you could almost argue it doesn't exist. For all the jerk about it and how he can outjump Naitanui (Simpsons words), it certainly hasn't transferred whatsoever into him getting hitouts. Or being a presense in a marking contest. Something he's quite noticably piss weak at. Even against scrub ruckman like Xerri, Ladhams and Hayes.


I'd give him until he rest of the season to demonstrate he's got some actual forward craft. Right now he's 'kind of' an athlete, mixed with a poor footballer.


And yes, another club might value his services more than us and be prepared to trade for him. If we didn't already have Jamo (who nobody would value) or Strnadica (ditto) i'd suggest keeping him, but we've got all three and none of them cut the mustard.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

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to Triple D to Crippa to a two on one turned into a goal by Tunbridge.

How good was it though?



These days it'll be West to Clark to Langdon to a two on one turned into a rebound out of our forward 50 cos some dumb kent tried to lay a bump instead of laying a tackle.

 

[eagles rule]

Showed more in one game than half the players on our list.

Derksen and Florenca would be a pretty good outcome.

I reckon Freo will add fwds Derksen and Strom ..


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[RookiePick]

Therein lies the issue with most of the younger players coming through. Few, if any appear to have something that screams one exceptional feature making it worth our while to persist with.

Pushing aside the Tim Kelly draft picks sent out, our draft approach needs a complete overhaul as West Coast hasn't drafted well in years.

I've ranted on this before. We draft kids that have an AFL trait or two. Then we refuse to let them bring that trait to the table as we dutifully "round them out"as footballers.

...and we get left with yet another nothing player with now zero AFL attributes.

Exhibit A - Brainsworth. Most contested possessions at the 18's carnival from recollection. Never let near a contest for almost his entire time on the list and stripped him down to a whippet so he had essentially no chance against other contested AFL players.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I reckon Freo will add fwds Derksen and Strom ..


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We'll pick before them though. Based on nothing but gut feeling. I'm almost certain we're going to take Derksen with our first.

 

[06Premiers]

He’s a whole three months older than Jamieson, should be blowing him off the park really.

Well that's certainly one way to build synergy amongst the group.

 

[Goroyals22]

I'm a bit gun-shy of using draft collateral to plug holes in the list via trades, but definitely open to churning over some players with value that we'll have replacements for come our next tilt.

What would a club further through their build pay for someone like Nelson? Experienced, durable, will protect the kids coming through. Not a superstar, probably at or near his ceiling.

Not a flipping thing. Would struggle to get city beach ammos to look at him twice

 

[THE A5]

He’s a whole three months older than Jamieson, should be blowing him off the park really.

He is no better now than he was two years ago. His develoMent has stalled. Jamo had his first season ruined but actually taken a step each season. He’s also coming a back from a long way when it comes to his body as well

 

[dinnaz]

I've ranted on this before. We draft kids that have an AFL trait or two. Then we refuse to let them bring that trait to the table as we dutifully "round them out"as footballers.

...and we get left with yet another nothing player with now zero AFL attributes.

Exhibit A - Brainsworth. Most contested possessions at the 18's carnival from recollection. Never let near a contest for almost his entire time on the list and stripped him down to a whippet so he had essentially no chance against other contested AFL players.

Ainsworth was always a gamble being drafted as a 19 yr old. I can see why rounding was needed -why play a midfielder who is only above average in one category then terrible outside the contest?

 

[mattyc75]

Surely this is the year we get Daniel Rich

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I'm still hoping for zaharakis! He's best mates with shuey you know

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[Schtinker]

Im on the culley train but He is getting that cut.
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Looks like a poor mans Tom Lamb

 

[RookiePick]

Ainsworth was always a gamble being drafted as a 19 yr old. I can see why rounding was needed -why play a midfielder who is only above average in one category then terrible outside the contest?

Why draft one at all, one might argue.

We have the whole concept wrong though IMO.

You know the player is limited, give them the best chance to have some success doing their thing and providing them the matching S&C program. The confidence of having some success, even if it's a just a contest win or two off low TOG, is going to do way more for a young blokes confidence to go back to the WAFL and work hard on their deficiencies.

Setting them up to fail so they have zero impact with their supposed strength, whilst still battling their flaws seems completely counterproductive to me.

You end up with a list full of younger players who don't think they belong at the level. It's even further exacerbated when the coaching group also has to hide them out of harms way, because they are not physically equipped for the contact side of the game.

It's a death spiral for player development.

 

[juddy_Like]

After listening to Duff on his podcast with Quarters, I don’t want Gov to be going anywhere.

Understood the standards were slipping/not good enough, got himself outrageously fit and lead from the front.

 

[FKASC]

I'm still hoping for zaharakis! He's best mates with shuey you know

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Just 2014 things

 

[ziad]

I've ranted on this before. We draft kids that have an AFL trait or two. Then we refuse to let them bring that trait to the table as we dutifully "round them out"as footballers.

...and we get left with yet another nothing player with now zero AFL attributes.

Exhibit A - Brainsworth. Most contested possessions at the 18's carnival from recollection. Never let near a contest for almost his entire time on the list and stripped him down to a whippet so he had essentially no chance against other contested AFL players.

I am unsure what AFL traits a player who is weak, slow and unable to kick a footy at U 12 level has.

 

[ziad]

After listening to Duff on his podcast with Quarters, I don’t want Gov to be going anywhere.

Understood the standards were slipping/not good enough, got himself outrageously fit and lead from the front.

Absolutely, to build anything you must have strong foundations - Gov is core to our foundations.

 

[squashface]

Scott Selwood to Triple D to Crippa to a two on one turned into a goal by Tunbridge.

How good was it though?

 

[eagles rule]

Another interesting case of a high draft pick fringe mid on the GC is Sam Flanders.

Playing some good footy in the VFL for them at the moment but cant' seem to get a look in. Can't help but think it could be another Will Brodie

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situation unfolding. Not sure if the fringe type is the type we should be targeting/ if he'd even move over given he's from Vic.

The Simpson and Flanders vibe ticks the boxes..


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[dinnaz]

Why draft one at all, one might argue.

We have the whole concept wrong though IMO.

You know the player is limited, give them the best chance to have some success doing their thing and providing them the matching S&C program. The confidence of having some success, even if it's a just a contest win or two off low TOG, is going to do way more for a young blokes confidence to go back to the WAFL and work hard on their deficiencies.

Setting them up to fail so they have zero impact with their supposed strength, whilst still battling their flaws seems completely counterproductive to me.

You end up with a list full of younger players who don't think they belong at the level. It's even further exacerbated when the coaching group also has to hide them out of harms way, because they are not physically equipped for the contact side of the game.

It's a death spiral for player development.

That's how you end up with a player like Levi Casboult. One of the best marks of the footy you'll ever see, yet kicks it like a ball bearing. Everything has to improve from when you are a junior but you don't want a one trick pony whose trick isnt even that great.

 

[dinnaz]

Another interesting case of a high draft pick fringe mid on the GC is Sam Flanders.

Playing some good footy in the VFL for them at the moment but cant' seem to get a look in. Can't help but think it could be another Will Brodie situation unfolding. Not sure if the fringe type is the type we should be targeting/ if he'd even move over given he's from Vic.

Flanders is good! Probably never moves west but can play fwd and mid equally well. Not the most polished guy but goes hard. Injured a fair bit in his first few years and then was played at AFL level as a forward which at the Suns means you'll never see the footy. Last month of VFL has been given a chance in the guts a lot more and has been amongst their better players.

 

[Patterz123]

After listening to Duff on his podcast with Quarters, I don’t want Gov to be going anywhere.

Understood the standards were slipping/not good enough, got himself outrageously fit and lead from the front.

Gov surely has to be our next captain, starting in 2023.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

That's how you end up with a player like Levi Casboult. One of the best marks of the footy you'll ever see, yet kicks it like a ball bearing. Everything has to improve from when you are a junior but you don't want a one trick pony whose trick isnt even that great.

AKA, how you turn a third round rookie pick into a 150 game, soon to be two-time Club Leading Goalkicker?

 

[WCE_phil]

He’s a whole three months older than Jamieson, should be blowing him off the park really.

Bailey Williams is very much more physically developed than Jamieson and Jamieson was always going to be a project ruck. For me williams if anyone wants him is an easy trade or delist.

Jamieson is an interesting scenario. He is still a full 2 years away likely 3 preseasons from being properly AFL ready. Are we willing to continue the development and keep him on the list for that for what will at best be a second tier ruck? For me as long as Strnadica comes back from injury well I would prefer him over Jamieson for a couple of years while we draft and develop a true first ruckman. Broadbent is an obvious choice and also why I would happily split our first rounder this year. He is also the type to come on quite quickly physically.

I really see not much difference in talent levels of the top tier mids this year and the next few guys. Our first and ports second could very well get us a pick 4/5, another later first round pick and a pick 20-23 second rounder. If Gaff is amenable to leaving particularly if he has a decent second half of the year I would happily let him go if it gets us a draft pick improvement or an early second rounder for a Vic side thinking they need more run.

I know this will really piss people off but trading down from 1/2 to 4/5 makes so much sense to me. I don't want Lemmey as I see us already having a great quite well developed lead up CHF in Allen and I don't rate Wardlaw or Tsatas highly enough that they are to me top tier mids at AFL level. Wardlaws numbers don't blow me away and suggest he is the next Petracca, Rowell type and Tsatas biggest threat is his speed but his kicking at speed is a real worry to me. There will be Vic clubs who really want one of these players however and I just can't see north not Picking Lemmey at number 1 as long as he has a good champs.

With all of their tall talent in the SA champs team this year someone is going to slide. If however they get enough ball forward through their mids and small backs their talls should win them the Champs.

People will likely get really pissed at me for saying this but if Scully is there at say 4/5 I would take him over Hewett. This to me really is a talls draft. In saying that if Hewett has an amazing champs then I still don't see him going above Lemmey, Wardlaw and Tsatas in the draft but I would then be so tempted to take him over Scully. Keeler with his agility and athletic ability could really bolt up the order too particularly with more games like the one against Glenelg on the weekend. He is more a project but on Raw talent is up there in the top 3. (I don't want him as he's not the sort of player I think you can build a side around)

The changes in the rules combined with the losses of Jetta, Lecras and Rioli as well as the decline of Cripps, Hurn and Gaff have really shown up what is our biggest weakness outside of Gameplan and to me that's not contested ball. It's the class and running ability to get the ball really quickly from half back to half forward. Yes we need some top tier mids but to me the Ruck position, class back flankers and a genuine class FF are missing from our list. I am really happy to have Chesser on one wing and Sheed on the other.

The other player who has potential value that I would happily trade is Duggan.

Also it's a big no to me on Jeremy Sharp. Too outside and unaccountable. He's not an AFL level player to me.

There doesn't seem to be many names that would get close to attracting a Tier 1 or Tier 2 Free agent pick either. Brayshaw at Melbourne (Tier 1 but that is still likely pick 18/19) and a couple of the dogs boys might get Tier 2 as would say De Goey if he has a great back end to the season and someone stupid takes the risk.

I also think we won't get pick 1 in the mid season draft as I think internally Melbourne will think they were disappointing against us and will absolutely put north to the sword this weekend. Also Just remember whilst Culley has had a couple of really impressive games Vic metro were missing their top 3-4 mids and he definitely very physically developed in comparison to his contemporaries. If north go tall MSD they could then go small end of year but if they pick up Culley and he shows something for them this year They are almost certain to go tall in the draft.

Also lets say the perfect happens and we open up two spots and take Culley and Florenca It would also make even more sense to split pick 1/2 and go tall with at least 2 of those first 3 picks we have.