List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...
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Worth bearing in mind that Fiorini turns 25 next week. So we’d be trading in a 25 year old, doesn’t quite the same ring as a 24 year old
 
The problem with signing up all these oldies and carrying them into 2023 for "leadership", is that you just know they won't be taking a back seat.

Anyone thinking "It's ok gaiz, they're going to stay on and mentor the young group and only play a handful of games" 😅



Simpson doesn't operate that way. Hurn still hasn't spent a second in the WAFL, neither did JK. There's the odd "managed" game every so often, but they always get straight back and the kids always get shown the door, and i don't expect that to change. See Cripps coming straight back after his huge layoff. There's a point where it's not supposed to be about form, but about getting the new generation into the system at the expense of the old servants. Hurn can keep carrying on racking up 22 disposals a game, where his young replacement might get 12 touches, but to what end? He's 35, our window is slammed shut.



Come round 1, it'll be Shuey, Redden, Gaff, Sheed with Kelly and Naitanui at the CBD's, as per usual. Culley won't feature and i doubt Chesser or this years draftees will either. Just like Clark, XON, West, if they finally manage to snag a spot, they'll be pushed into a role they don't play on the wing or flank.

Anyone would think yet another basket case season that has netted us only 2 wins and finally signified where our list is at, would mean this wouldn't be the case, but no doubt Simpson will back in the vets/stars/club servants, etc and think it'll all click again like 2018 🤦‍♂️


We going to see any of Shuey, Redden, Naitanui, Hurn, run around for the Beagles in 2023? Apparently this is what they're signing up for, to play minimal games and be getting phased out, right? Cool story.


If they stay, they'll play. If they play, it only pushes more young players to the Beagles instead of them, where they're destined to get flogged.
 

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Dark Sharks said:
The problem with signing up all these oldies and carrying them into 2023 for "leadership", is that you just know they won't be taking a back seat.

Anyone thinking "It's ok gaiz, they're going to stay on and mentor the young group and only play a handful of games" 😅



Simpson doesn't operate that way. Hurn still hasn't spent a second in the WAFL, neither did JK. There's the odd "managed" game every so often, but they always get straight back and the kids always get shown the door, and i don't expect that to change. See Cripps coming straight back after his huge layoff. There's a point where it's not supposed to be about form, but about getting the new generation into the system at the expense of the old servants. Hurn can keep carrying on racking up 22 disposals a game, where his young replacement might get 12 touches, but to what end? He's 35, our window is slammed shut.



Come round 1, it'll be Shuey, Redden, Gaff, Sheed with Kelly and Naitanui at the CBD's, as per usual. Culley won't feature and i doubt Chesser or this years draftees will either. Just like Clark, XON, West, if they finally manage to snag a spot, they'll be pushed into a role they don't play on the wing or flank.

Anyone would think yet another basket case season that has netted us only 2 wins and finally signified where our list is at, would mean this wouldn't be the case, but no doubt Simpson will back in the vets/stars/club servants, etc and think it'll all click again like 2018 🤦‍♂️


We going to see any of Shuey, Redden, Naitanui, Hurn, run around for the Beagles in 2023? Apparently this is what they're signing up for, to play minimal games and be getting phased out, right? Cool story.


If they stay, they'll play. If they play, it only pushes more young players to the Beagles instead of them, where they're destined to get flogged.
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This is my concern too - hence why I've been suggesting we retire a minimum of 1 of Hurn/Shuey/Redden this year and then the other 2 (plus likely Nic) next year.

Having them all around and available will pressure us into playing them. And they are (or will be) better options, they will perform better on the day, than younger kids. But we need to build for 2024-2027. We should be expecting a premiership in that timeframe (no 3-5 year rebuild that minnow clubs do. We have a history of expectation and entitlement, that to be honest has served us quite well).

Going to be some tough decisions at the end of the year, maybe some that surprise supporters and players, but it's now time to push forward with the list refresh/rebuild.
 
Dark Sharks said:
The problem with signing up all these oldies and carrying them into 2023 for "leadership", is that you just know they won't be taking a back seat.
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The other issue is this guys haven't shown leadership over the last 3 years (the senior group as a whole). They just haven't wanted to put in the hard work.
Dark Sharks said:
We going to see any of Shuey, Redden, Naitanui, Hurn, run around for the Beagles in 2023? Apparently this is what they're signing up for, to play minimal games and be getting phased out, right? Cool story.
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I'm assuming the midfield group will be Shuey, Yeo, Kelly, Sheed, Redden, Culley, XON, maybe #2. Chesser is another maybe. I don't think Rioli has any business being there.

I'm ok with that as long as Shuey and Redden are transitioned out over the season.
 
So when will they announce TB as topdog if Shueys being phased out, no more high pants, those shenanigans will have to stop!
Or will there be a co-captain thing happening again, maybe OA a smokey for it?
 
Farang83150 said:
So when will they announce TB as topdog if Shueys being phased out, no more high pants, those shenanigans will have to stop!
Or will there be a co-captain thing happening again, maybe OA a smokey for it?
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Announcement of the captain isn’t usually made until the backend of preseason so I wouldn’t expect anything until March next year

Allen is coming off a year out of football, he MIGHT be in the leadership group but there’s no way he’ll be captain
 
SumaGodCoach said:
Where do you have Cadman rated, I know you had him 12th last time you posted your rankings. I had him 10th last time I went through my rankings, but I'd probably put him somewhere between 5 and 8 at this point depending on which side of the bed I get out of and how much scotch I've drunk.
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Tough one, as I really think the evenness between 3-15 is really close so when he was at 12 it was so line ball. Much harder to separate them this year than previous years.

I had Keeler as the premier key forward early days, loved the way he moved for this size - rare 200cm guys can move like that. But he faded a bit through the champs, so you could almost swap him and Cadman purely based on Cadmans consistency. I think 5-8 is about right for the moment.

I absolutely love the way he plays, great forward! I am a little concerned he's only 194cm as that's a bit undersized, but he could grow a few cm's and be perfect size still. He did play some weaker opposition in terms of key defenders, so I'm going to hold my final opinion until after he plays Vic Metro and hopefully lines up against Hayes! Hayes is a jet defender and is the perfect match up, both are a great mark, incredibly nimble for their size when the ball is on the ground and have some pace. So if he can do a number on Hayes, I might even put him top 2.
 
shooshka said:
Priddis hit a trigger.

Anything is possible, but not everything may be palatable.
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Pridda walked away for the good of the club (I'm sure some sort of financial arrangement was met ofc). The MC refusing to let him take the time to get his back right robbed the bloke of any chance he had of not being a complete liability on transition. Priddis saw he was a net negative, despite his contested ball dominance, and pulled the pin.

Although, in hindsight, I think we can readily say Priddis was not the root cause of our abominable transition defence. It's structural.

Out of Redden, Hurn and Shuey it really should be Shuey who walks away, given he can't stay on the park.
 

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bh90210fan said:
I think Winder has improved over the course of the year too and is worth retaining at this point. Was worried about his tank and low impact but he’s been running out games well in the WAFL recently and has been one of our only bright lights in the reserves.
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Agreed. I won't be happy if he is let go AND we retain all the old guys' plus West or Witherden. Now THAT would be dumb.

The sooner they stop referring to Winder as a forward the better.
 
Ambrose Burnside said:
Barrass, McGovern, Edwards, Cole, JJ, Yeo, Duggan, Bazzo, Rotham

vs

Sheed, Gaff, Redden, Culley, Kelly, ???, ???, ???, ???

Hurn is a club legend. But he should retire ahead of Shuey.
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Hurns never going to play CHB or FB, so hes only amongst a group of Cole, JJ, Duggan and Bazzo if we delist Witherden and Nelson.

Rotham looks as though he’ll settle into a new role and I’m sure Yeo will be back in the midfield asap.
 
Tugga27 said:

“It’s just not true”: Eagles coach questions accuracy of salary report

“It’s a guess.”
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The club’s also put up an article:

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Mixed news for absent Eagles

The Official AFL Website of the West Coast Eagles
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“It’s quite disappointing, actually, to read something like that. It’s not just a little bit off, it’s hundreds of thousands of dollars off in terms of trying to guess what the players wages are,” Simpson said.

“I know the article is nationwide, which is really disappointing on behalf of our players to take a guess like that, that the rest of the article makes no sense because it’s just not true.”
 
Dark Sharks said:
I just don't see what keeping Shuey and Hurn for another year actually adds :shrug:


We'll miss Shuey's leadership in the midfield? We literally have 2x AA Yeo, 2x AA Gaff and AA Kelly in there. As well as 262 game and premiership player Jack Redden. Is that not enough? What more do you want??

Shuey has been arguably the worst captain in WCE history. Not player, captain. Due to win/loss record, injuries completely keeping him off the park, but moreso for being at the helm for the worst period in club history. His performances, when he actually gets on the park, are nothing more than B grade at best, often completely asleep at the wheel as the game is taken away from us and the midfield is a total basket case and uncompetitive

Hurn on the other hand is in outstanding form, his durability is less of an issue, but once again... what are we losing with him gone?

We still have 4x AA McGovern and GOAT Barrass down there, as well as a handful as premiership defenders like Duggan and Cole.


This whole idea like we're going to completely implode and wreck the development of our younger players unless we have X amount of 30+ yr olds on the list is a joke. This isnt Melbourne. We have plenty of experience still on our list, plenty of premiership players with loads of finals experience, even if we finally start to move on Dads Army.

With the group we've got, the only thing that is going to wreck development of draftees is the total farce that is the Beagles, and constantly playing players out of position, like Clark and Winder.

It's time to move on already. We're just delaying what needs to be done.


I'd like to think both of these guys would actually do the right thing and see the writing on the wall with the club and their future, rather than notching up further games/years in the AFL at the expense of others. Just because they can go on, doesn't mean they should.
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Yes Shuey needs to assess his future without being a selfish tool ..
Retire Redden plus Gaff too selfish campaigners ..


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bh90210fan said:
Hurns never going to play CHB or FB, so hes only amongst a group of Cole, JJ, Duggan and Bazzo if we delist Witherden and Nelson.

Rotham looks as though he’ll settle into a new role and I’m sure Yeo will be back in the midfield asap.
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I still reckon we have more talent and depth in the backline, and if we have to retire one of Hurn or Shuey this year, it should be Hurn.
 
Dark Sharks said:
I just don't see what keeping Shuey and Hurn for another year actually adds :shrug:


We'll miss Shuey's leadership in the midfield? We literally have 2x AA Yeo, 2x AA Gaff and AA Kelly in there. As well as 262 game and premiership player Jack Redden. Is that not enough? What more do you want??

Shuey has been arguably the worst captain in WCE history. Not player, captain. Due to win/loss record, injuries completely keeping him off the park, but moreso for being at the helm for the worst period in club history. His performances, when he actually gets on the park, are nothing more than B grade at best, often completely asleep at the wheel as the game is taken away from us and the midfield is a total basket case and uncompetitive <--- See Sydney game at home.


Hurn on the other hand is in outstanding form, his durability is less of an issue, but once again... what are we losing with him gone?

We still have 4x AA McGovern and GOAT Barrass down there, as well as a handful as premiership defenders like Duggan and Cole.


This whole idea like we're going to completely implode and wreck the development of our younger players unless we have X amount of 30+ yr olds on the list is a joke. This isnt Melbourne. We have plenty of experience still on our list, plenty of premiership players with loads of finals experience, even if we finally start to move on Dads Army.

With the group we've got, the only thing that is going to wreck development of draftees is the total farce that is the Beagles, and constantly playing players out of position, like Clark and Winder.

It's time to move on already. We're just delaying what needs to be done.


I'd like to think both of these guys would actually do the right thing and see the writing on the wall with the club and their future, rather than notching up further games/years in the AFL at the expense of others. Just because they can go on, doesn't mean they should.
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The arguement for both Shuey and Hurn is that there is a lot of deadwood we can cut from the team before getting to them. We can only replace so many players in one year, so i'd rather have Hurn and Shuey for one more year than a mid 20's player that is going nowhere. SHuey and Hurn as depth are fine, they can be cycled out next year with Redden and potentially Nic Nat.
 
WCErevival said:
Luke Jackson is only 199cm and he's apparently the best thing since sliced bread.
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Is he though......

He's good around the ground, but yet to prove he can carry the ruck division in terms of hitouts. A lot like English in that regard.
 
Dark Sharks said:
I just don't see what keeping Shuey and Hurn for another year actually adds :shrug:


We'll miss Shuey's leadership in the midfield? We literally have 2x AA Yeo, 2x AA Gaff and AA Kelly in there. As well as 262 game and premiership player Jack Redden. Is that not enough? What more do you want??

Shuey has been arguably the worst captain in WCE history. Not player, captain. Due to win/loss record, injuries completely keeping him off the park, but moreso for being at the helm for the worst period in club history. His performances, when he actually gets on the park, are nothing more than B grade at best, often completely asleep at the wheel as the game is taken away from us and the midfield is a total basket case and uncompetitive

Hurn on the other hand is in outstanding form, his durability is less of an issue, but once again... what are we losing with him gone?

We still have 4x AA McGovern and GOAT Barrass down there, as well as a handful as premiership defenders like Duggan and Cole.


This whole idea like we're going to completely implode and wreck the development of our younger players unless we have X amount of 30+ yr olds on the list is a joke. This isnt Melbourne. We have plenty of experience still on our list, plenty of premiership players with loads of finals experience, even if we finally start to move on Dads Army.

With the group we've got, the only thing that is going to wreck development of draftees is the total farce that is the Beagles, and constantly playing players out of position, like Clark and Winder.

It's time to move on already. We're just delaying what needs to be done.


I'd like to think both of these guys would actually do the right thing and see the writing on the wall with the club and their future, rather than notching up further games/years in the AFL at the expense of others. Just because they can go on, doesn't mean they should.
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Totally agree,cant see how a rebuild starts by keeping all the oldies. Dont get rid of everyone in one go but we need to cut more than just kennedy

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SumaGodCoach said:
For those of us jumping on the Phillipou train here is an interview:

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Final Siren Podcast | Mattaes Phillipou interview

The Final Siren team chat to potential Top 10 pick Mattaes Phillipou about his football journey, basketball and quick-fire questions.
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I'm driving this train.

He is everything you want in terms of where the best midfielders are tracking over the next 10 years.

Truckosaurus said:
Bontempelli
Fyfe
Pendlebury

Two of these players are much better kicks than the other.
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To be fair, one of these players has won two brownlows and would have had a third if not for injury, and is possible the most dominant physical beast of a midfielder when he was fit. Not bad.

A lot worse players you could pick to model yourself off.
 
Happy Mastenator said:
I'm driving this train.

He is everything you want in terms of where the best midfielders are tracking over the next 10 years.


To be fair, one of these players has won two brownlows and would have had a third if not for injury, and is possible the most dominant physical beast of a midfielder when he was fit. Not bad.

A lot worse players you could pick to model yourself off.
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I was 50/50 on Phillipou vs Wardlaw before Wardlaw re did his hammy, but the injury pushed me fully onto the Phillipou train as well.
 
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