List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Tugga27]

This is the same Shuey that has been captain whilst standards have slipped further and further backwards… he might be a good player but a leader and standard setter he isn’t

Unless you have insights into the club, you have no idea whatsoever what type of a leader and standard setter he is.

You don't know his training standards and how he interacts with players and staff.

It's just guesswork to fit your narrative.

 

[Rowan18]

Gov and Yeo get injured every second week, how have they indicated they have years left? TK sure, Ryan has been absolutely pathetic this season, Rioli is wildly inconsistent and not exactly reliable, Sheed is a nice accumulator but come on, he’s not a very good player overall, Darling is already 30, by the time we’re good again he’ll very likely be cooked. TB and Allen are for sure the exciting 2 stars who have years left, but Allen can’t exactly be trusted with his health and we don’t know how he’ll go without JK taking the best defender from him.

I get that, but it’s very easy to say that. Most of our young talent are just genuinely bang ******* average, obviously that should change with the quality of picks we have coming our way though.

We have a serious void of talent in the 22-26 age bracket, we’re essentially rebuilding completely from the ground up after 2023, I just don’t see this being a 2-3 year rebuild like most of this forum seems to think.


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You could be completely right. It all hinges on those players I listed. Can they get fit? Can they get back into form? Will we draft the right young players to compliment them?

If yes - we bounce quickly. If no, then we're looking at a 5 or 6 season rebuild.

 

[Lazzas]

Geelong and Collingwood had / have an elite group of senior / established guys, they are not a comparable situation to us at all. I have no idea how you guys can’t comprehend that and just blindly throw comparisons like that around


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Collingwood has done well with father son selections as well.

 

[Rowan18]

Geelong and Collingwood had / have an elite group of senior / established guys, they are not a comparable situation to us at all. I have no idea how you guys can’t comprehend that and just blindly throw comparisons like that around


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Collingwood fascinates me - they don't have that many good senior players. Taylor Adams, Pendlebury is a B grader these days, Moore is a gun, DeGoey has his moments but is too inconsistent. Guys like Sidebottom and Howe are good role players but off their peak.

Their rise has come from good youth and an exciting gameplan. It's probably not sustainable, but who cares if they happen to jag a flag.

 

[Monocle]

I am so sick of this being misrepresented as some lack of hunger or satisfaction that the job was done, put the feet up, the boys were happy with one.

He was talking about his mental state and the fact that his whole life had been built around achieving one specific goal, and that when he achieved it he was left with a sense of ‘what now’.

Not because he wasn’t hungry to go do it again or didn’t want another one, because he had to come to grips with his entire life centring around one thing, achieving the thing, it not feeling like he expected it to (we don’t want to hear about my sex life) and then having to figure out how to move on and go again given part of his entire identity had just changed drastically.

I know we all loved the good old tough days where you’d make them walk home if they lost and the coach gave a spray for every missed kick, and if you’d had a dog day you’d just go home to a carton of VB and punch your wife, but people continually bringing up this Tom Barrass quote is beyond gross.

It was a very raw and introspective interview, a rare athlete interview that wasn’t put through 400 filters of media training, and the sort of thing we need more of. It wasn’t some admission of “yeah we did it, sweet as, time to cash my cheques and just have a kick around for a few years” no matter how badly some people want it to be so they have something to blame our fall since the flag on.

Badger you are normally such a good and measured poster, so I will cut you some slack as my post has obviously triggered you.

I will just let this response, fly through to the keeper.

We all see things differently and our interpretations are sometimes diverse.
I miss your point, as I suggest you miss mine.....it happens.

I bid you a good day Sir.

 

[Obeanie1]

Geelong and Collingwood had / have an elite group of senior / established guys, they are not a comparable situation to us at all. I have no idea how you guys can’t comprehend that and just blindly throw comparisons like that around


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Please list this elite core of players.

And their ages.

 

[Shueygod]

Geelong and Collingwood had / have an elite group of senior / established guys, they are not a comparable situation to us at all. I have no idea how you guys can’t comprehend that and just blindly throw comparisons like that around


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Eagles group of senior players is far better than Collingwood - see 2018

 

[Shueygod]

So I had year 11 student of mine ask me how to get drafted by an AFL team.

Any ideas everyone?

Has been good enough to play for East Freo's... erm.... Development team or something

If he’s asking in year 11 he’s not much of a chance.

 

[Shueygod]

This is the same Shuey that has been captain whilst standards have slipped further and further backwards… he might be a good player but a leader and standard setter he isn’t

****ing clown, “a leader he isn’t” how bout how he lead us in the 2018 grand final? Hurn might have been the captain but Shuey was the leader that day and year.

 

[Lazzas]

This is the same Shuey that has been captain whilst standards have slipped further and further backwards… he might be a good player but a leader and standard setter he isn’t

Shuey is and has been a standard setter and great leader at the club for years. I personally think he shouldn't be captain next year because West Coast need to go into the next era the different leader. And I'm conflicted to whether or not he should play on.

However saying he isn't a good leader or standard setter is just disrespectful.

 

[Obeanie1]

The 4 picks could have got Robertson, Rivers, Warner and O’Driscoll and we would not have LEdwards and Culley or Kelly.

The trade was a failure. We overpaid, did the deal 1 year too late and gave up more $ than was appropriate (IMHO)

That said, without Yeo and Shuey in the midfield allowing him to be more outside, we were not going to see his best

Move on - learn and address the reset

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Ochre]

It was a very raw and introspective interview, a rare athlete interview that wasn’t put through 400 filters of media training, and the sort of thing we need more of.

It's the same reasons Badges favourite non Eagle is Jack Ginnivan

 

[Obeanie1]

******* clown, “a leader he isn’t” how bout how he lead us in the 2018 grand final? Hurn might have been the captain but Shuey was the leader that day and year.

Still remember Shuey carrying Liam Ryan on his back around the boundary waving to fans after a win after Ryan did his hammie. Thats leadership.

And yep, Norm Smith medal is pretty decent as well.

 

[Godfather32]

Still remember Shuey carrying Liam Ryan on his back around the boundary waving to fans after a win after Ryan did his hammie. Thats leadership.

And yep, Norm Smith medal is pretty decent as well.

So just to clarify...piggybacks = leadership?

 

[Goroyals22]

Unless you have insights into the club, you have no idea whatsoever what type of a leader and standard setter he is.

You don't know his training standards and how he interacts with players and staff.

It's just guesswork to fit your narrative.

You can see the standards that were under the previous captain were high…
Under this bloke and the coach( both are responsible) standards in fitness, work ethic, recovery have all gone backwards… thats the facts to where we are now about to complete the worst season in our club’s history… we have won 4 out of 31 games.. likely hood is we will be looking at around 8-10 wins out of 45-50 games . That rests on the leadership and you can bury your head in the sand and potshot but thats the facts.

Ive loved Shuey as a player but as a captain he is a failure.

 

[WCE_Talk]

Collingwood has done well with father son selections as well.

For sure, no denying that, but Collingwood never entered a rebuild like some think. Most of their best players are senior guys.

Hopefully we get some decent F/S one day lol


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[WCE_Talk]

Collingwood fascinates me - they don't have that many good senior players. Taylor Adams, Pendlebury is a B grader these days, Moore is a gun, DeGoey has his moments but is too inconsistent. Guys like Sidebottom and Howe are good role players but off their peak.

Their rise has come from good youth and an exciting gameplan. It's probably not sustainable, but who cares if they happen to jag a flag.

De Goey can fade in and out of games but he’s still an A grader imo

They’ve got a lot of good / great senior contributors

Howe, Moore, Maynard, Mihocek, Elliot, Cameron, Adams, Pendles, Sidebottom etc

The Daicos brothers, Ginnivan and so on and have for sure added a well needed spark though


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[Ochre]

The 4 picks could have got Robertson, Rivers, Warner and O’Driscoll and we would not have LEdwards and Culley

They wouldn't have been though. Assuming we'd have selected the best available player in every situation is a terrible way to judge a trade.

 

[WCE_Talk]

Eagles group of senior players is far better than Collingwood - see 2018

Currently? No they are not. Nearly all of our senior guys are cooked or can’t even get on the park


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[WestCoast05]

This is the same Shuey that has been captain whilst standards have slipped further and further backwards… he might be a good player but a leader and standard setter he isn’t

Shuey surely lead and set the standard in our Premiership year, no doubt about that.
Shuey is not Sheed or Gaff - he has always put his body on the line and given his all.
You are mistaking his own natural decline due to injury or age with a lack of standards/leadership.
It's just an unfortunate part of life that the captaincy mantle was handed on to him at the onset of this decline.

The drop in standards cannot be put on Shuey. I suspect it is on Simmo/selection committee (basing this on repeat offenders giving minimal defensive effort never being sent to the WAFL)

 

[Obeanie1]

Thoughts on James Rowe?

Bulldogs chasing him. I was interested when drafted. Not a bad Cripps replacement, only 20 and likely wont cost much at all.

Very smart footy IQ, high energy levels. Question on his endurance.

 

[WCE_Talk]

Please list this elite core of players.

And their ages.

Too many to list at Geelong, I mean most of their 22 are senior guys

With Collingwood though here; note I didn’t say all these guys were stars just that they are still performing and playing a role well

Maynard, JDG, Moore, Howe, Adams, Pendles, Grundy, Cameron, Sidebottom, Elliot, Crisp, Mihocek etc.


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[WCErevival]

You can see the standards that were under the previous captain were high…
Under this bloke and the coach( both are responsible) standards in fitness, work ethic, recovery have all gone backwards… thats the facts to where we are now about to complete the worst season in our club’s history… we have won 4 out of 31 games.. likely hood is we will be looking at around 8-10 wins out of 45-50 games . That rests on the leadership and you can bury your head in the sand and potshot but thats the facts.

Ive loved Shuey as a player but as a captain he is a failure.

So if Hurn led out a team of Auskickers he would be a poor captain because the team would get flogged. Righto.

 

[Ochre]

So if Hurn led out a team of Auskickers he would be a poor captain because the team would get flogged. Righto.

Big if

 

[Godfather32]

So if Hurn led out a team of Auskickers he would be a poor captain because the team would get flogged. Righto.

Might get to see this happen next year with our WAFL team