List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Obeanie1]

Currently? No they are not. Nearly all of our senior guys are cooked or can’t even get on the park


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Darling
Barrass
Hurn
Kelly
Redden
McGovern - impact injuries.
Ryan
Rioli
Duggan

Thats our core not counting others who are struggling.

Shall we list Collingwoods.

Moore
Pendlebury
Sidebottom
Howe
De Goey
Cripps
Maynard
Mihocek
Elliot

Adams has been injured alot. So to Grundy.

Who have I missed?

 

[Shueygod]

Currently? No they are not. Nearly all of our senior guys are cooked or can’t even get on the park


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Maynard and Moore are the only senior players you can say have been near a grade this year.

I’d say a good preseason and our senior players can comfortably match the output of Pendles, JDG, Howe, Elliot, Adams, Cameron and Sidey (lol he’s trash)

 

[Shueygod]

Darling
Barrass
Hurn
Kelly
Redden
McGovern - impact injuries.
Ryan
Rioli
Duggan

Thats our core not counting others who are struggling.

Shall we list Collingwoods.

Moore
Pendlebury
Sidebottom
Howe
De Goey
Cripps
Maynard
Mihocek
Elliot

Adams has been injured alot. So to Grundy.

Who have I missed?

Yeah he must not watch Collingwood, eagles senior players have way more potential.

 

[Obeanie1]

Too many to list at Geelong, I mean most of their 22 are senior guys

With Collingwood though here; note I didn’t say all these guys were stars just that they are still performing and playing a role well

Maynard, JDG, Moore, Howe, Adams, Pendles, Grundy, Cameron, Sidebottom, Elliot, Crisp, Mihocek etc.


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Elite?

I compared ours above.

The only player I rate that we cant match is De Goey.

Adams and Grundy have been out injured.

 

[Shueygod]

You can see the standards that were under the previous captain were high…
Under this bloke and the coach( both are responsible) standards in fitness, work ethic, recovery have all gone backwards… thats the facts to where we are now about to complete the worst season in our club’s history… we have won 4 out of 31 games.. likely hood is we will be looking at around 8-10 wins out of 45-50 games . That rests on the leadership and you can bury your head in the sand and potshot but thats the facts.

Ive loved Shuey as a player but as a captain he is a failure.

I mean doesn’t help the entire list has been absolutely ****ed by injuries meaning the players are getting 0 continuity to actually build fitness.

How many of our players have actually had a clean run since Shuey took over? Now compare that to melbournes run last year.

 

[Shueygod]

Elite?

I compared ours above.

The only player I rate that we cant match is De Goey.

Adams and Grundy have been out injured.

De Goey is a gun but Barrass right now is better.

If our senior players have a good preseason and remain injury free ( huge if), and Culley can come on which I think he will. Our best 22 will realistically be better on every line than the pies imo

 

[eagles rule]

Mmm

Are we allowed to call the Kelly trade a failure yet?


3 seasons in, we've played finals once and got punted straight out.

Missed finals the following year

And now coming off arguably the worst session in club history, barely avoiding the spoon.

Kelly was supposed to compliment Shuey and Yeo who have missed a lot of footy through injury and of course ppl easily forget the Covid upheaval that occurred with travel ,fixtures and hubs ..
There have been too many circumstances of what would generally constitute a failure to just simply blame Kelly ..

 

[Godfather32]

This thread's starting to remind me of a Mark Harvey press conference after another purples loss. Excuses being thrown out left, right and centre

 

[briztoon]

The 4 picks could have got Robertson, Rivers, Warner and O’Driscoll and we would not have LEdwards and Culley

The trade was a failure. We overpaid, did the deal 1 year too late and gave up more $ than was appropriate (IMHO)

That said, without Yeo and Shuey in the midfield allowing him to be more outside, we were not going to see his best

Move on - learn and address the reset

Curious if there were any decent no WA kids available at those selections.

 

[WCE_Talk]

Elite?

I compared ours above.

The only player I rate that we cant match is De Goey.

Adams and Grundy have been out injured.

Did you miss the part where I noted that not all were elite but still playing roles at a high level lol?

Adams has played 17 out of 22 games… yes Grundy has been out most of the season but he’s still a good player albeit overrated.


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[Tugga27]

You can see the standards that were under the previous captain were high…
Under this bloke and the coach( both are responsible) standards in fitness, work ethic, recovery have all gone backwards… thats the facts to where we are now about to complete the worst season in our club’s history… we have won 4 out of 31 games.. likely hood is we will be looking at around 8-10 wins out of 45-50 games . That rests on the leadership and you can bury your head in the sand and potshot but thats the facts.

Ive loved Shuey as a player but as a captain he is a failure.

There was no potshots at all.

IMO, it's hard to judge anyone on being a standard setter when you aren't privvy to what goes on inside the club.

We've no idea on how he trains and drives the players.

That the club has fallen off a cliff this year can't and shouldn't be blamed on the captain. Like I previously said, we have no idea what Shuey does around the club.

I can understand Simmo being blamed as he's the head coach, but you can't blame Shuey for poor results.

 

[UseR2006]

There was no potshots at all.

IMO, it's hard to judge anyone on being a standard setter when you aren't privvy to what goes on inside the club.

We've no idea on how he trains and drives the players.

That the club has fallen off a cliff this year can't and shouldn't be blamed on the captain. Like I previously said, we have no idea what Shuey does around the club.

I can understand Simmo being blamed as he's the head coach, but you can't blame Shuey for poor results.

If you captain the club you take the good results as well as the bad.
We 100% can hold Shuey accountable as well as the Coach.

 

[WCE_Talk]

Darling
Barrass
Hurn
Kelly
Redden
McGovern - impact injuries.
Ryan
Rioli
Duggan

Thats our core not counting others who are struggling.

Shall we list Collingwoods.

Moore
Pendlebury
Sidebottom
Howe
De Goey
Cripps
Maynard
Mihocek
Elliot

Adams has been injured alot. So to Grundy.

Who have I missed?

Adams has played 17 out of 22 games

It’s hilarious how you guys think we have all these elite senior players purely because of their actual names yet we’re arguably the worst team in the competition…

Barrass - gun
Hurn - still a serviceable player, but will be gone by the end of 2023
Kelly - good player
Redden - solid player but he’s not impactful at all
Gov - been woeful for the last couple seasons largely due to injuries, was awesome to start this season before getting injured again, but I have zero faith with him ever staying on the park unfortunately, also think Barrass is worse when he has to cover for Gov
Ryan - been absolutely pathetic all season, he’s clearly unfit and his application has been very disappointing, obviously a gun when he’s on but I’m pretty concerned about him right now
Rioli - been very poor this season after the fast start, obviously he has been through a lot but it’s disappointing he still looks unfit
Duggan - great game on the weekend, but another one who has somehow escaped criticism for far too long, looked like he levelled up in 2020 and then has gone backwards since, that may be due to a lack of continuity of course but still, he’s an average player right now, do think he’s better than what he has shown though

Collingwood’s players are much more capable in particular roles than ours.


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[Miguel Sanchez]

You can see the standards that were under the previous captain were high…
Under this bloke and the coach( both are responsible) standards in fitness, work ethic, recovery have all gone backwards… thats the facts to where we are now about to complete the worst season in our club’s history… we have won 4 out of 31 games.. likely hood is we will be looking at around 8-10 wins out of 45-50 games . That rests on the leadership and you can bury your head in the sand and potshot but thats the facts.

Ive loved Shuey as a player but as a captain he is a failure.

So the standards under the previous captain were high, the standards under the current captain are low, the captain and the coach are both responsible for the standards, and we’ve had the same coach throughout.

Can’t be any clearer than that.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

De Goey is a gun but Barrass right now is better.

If our senior players have a good preseason and remain injury free ( huge if), and Culley can come on which I think he will. Our best 22 will realistically be better on every line than the pies imo

Mate 2023 should be about phasing out the senior players, not backing them in again.

I seriously fear the credit$ will continue throughout next season and we’ll just be largely treading water.

 

[Shueygod]

If you captain the club you take the good results as well as the bad.
We 100% can hold Shuey accountable as well as the Coach.

Ludicrous.

 

[Shueygod]

Mate 2023 should be about phasing out the senior players, not backing them in again.

I seriously fear the credit$ will continue throughout next season and we’ll just be largely treading water.

My ideal 22 in 2023 would look like this:

Duggan Barrass Bazzo
Jones McGovern Yeo
Hough Culley Chesser
Shuey Darling Rioli
Ryan Allen (happy for best of Waterman/Rotham/Second ruck)
Naitanui Kelly Oneil

Int from the rest, preferably would have pick 2 definitely in there.

Now assuming preseason goes well for the older blokes in the team and Oneil/Culley/Hough/Chesser have big preseasons that is a team that could easily be in the top 8.

Culley and Oneil should do wonders for Kelly as he won’t have to win the hard ball.

Hough will need to bulk up a bit for the defensive side of his game but offensively he is almost there.

Possibly throw McGovern forward/second ruck and Edwards in his place if Edwards is going well.

This will only be stronger if we bring in Robertson and pick 2 can impact from the start.

 

[Shueygod]

So the standards under the previous captain were high, the standards under the current captain are low, the captain and the coach are both responsible for the standards, and we’ve had the same coach throughout.

Can’t be any clearer than that.

I’m assuming the standards are low in your eyes due to the conditioning of the players?

Which players have had a clean run with injury and aren’t meeting standards?

 

[eagles rule]

There was no potshots at all.

IMO, it's hard to judge anyone on being a standard setter when you aren't privvy to what goes on inside the club.

We've no idea on how he trains and drives the players.

That the club has fallen off a cliff this year can't and shouldn't be blamed on the captain. Like I previously said, we have no idea what Shuey does around the club.

I can understand Simmo being blamed as he's the head coach, but you can't blame Shuey for poor results.

The attitudes on gameday he may be referring too , players not putting in 100% as a united team on the same page ..Too many individuals looking out for themselves ..Spreads fast through the team ..Not just talking about this year ..

 

[Carbine Chaos]

My ideal 22 in 2023 would look like this:

Duggan Barrass Bazzo
Jones McGovern Yeo
Hough Culley Chesser
Shuey Darling Rioli
Ryan Allen (happy for best of Waterman/Rotham/Second ruck)
Naitanui Kelly Oneil

Int from the rest, preferably would have pick 2 definitely in there.

Now assuming preseason goes well for the older blokes in the team and Oneil/Culley/Hough/Chesser have big preseasons that is a team that could easily be in the top 8.

Culley and Oneil should do wonders for Kelly as he won’t have to win the hard ball.

Hough will need to bulk up a bit for the defensive side of his game but offensively he is almost there.

Possibly throw McGovern forward/second ruck and Edwards in his place if Edwards is going well.

This will only be stronger if we bring in Robertson and pick 2 can impact from the start.

I like that 22 as a starting point.

This will be unpopular, but I’m not completely sold on Jones on a half back flank yet. He’s been exciting and shows flair/dash - but his disposal leaves a lot to be desired. Has to tidy this up because, let’s be honest, HBF is the easiest position to play in footy. Definite potential there though.

Rotham is a bit of a priority for me next year. We really need to tap into his attacking game next year. I’d be starting him on a wing before Gaff for R1 next year.

 

[WCE_Talk]

I like that 22 as a starting point.

This will be unpopular, but I’m not completely sold on Jones on a half back flank yet. He’s been exciting and shows flair/dash - but his disposal leaves a lot to be desired. Has to tidy this up because, let’s be honest, HBF is the easiest position to play in footy. Definite potential there though.

Rotham is a bit of a priority for me next year. We really need to tap into his attacking game next year. I’d be starting him on a wing before Gaff for R1 next year.

I think Jones has clearly showed we desperately lacked some run / pace on that half back line but I agree, I don’t think he’s very good, he’s incredibly inconsistent and not necessarily elite at anything, can be very costly at times, but I’m willing to give him another year in that role personally. I do want Cowan with one of our 2nd round picks.


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[Miguel Sanchez]

I’m assuming the standards are low in your eyes due to the conditioning of the players?

Which players have had a clean run with injury and aren’t meeting standards?

You might want to quote the guy I was mocking, not my post mocking him.

 

[Shueygod]

This thread's starting to remind me of a Mark Harvey press conference after another purples loss. Excuses being thrown out left, right and centre

They’re very fair excuses though.

If you take away 7+ best 22 players and replace them with players in the 30-40 zone from any team they aren’t getting near finals. Carlton are a prime example, went from world beaters to mediocre with 4-5 key injuries.

 

[Shueygod]

You might want to quote the guy I was mocking, not my post mocking him.

That’s a horrible read my bad, tricky to tell with some of the absolute knuckle draggers on here.

 

[Tugga27]

If you captain the club you take the good results as well as the bad.
We 100% can hold Shuey accountable as well as the Coach.

You can't judge a captain purely on wins and losses.
If that was the case, Ben Cousins would be considered a good captain.