List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...
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shooshka said:
And that is what other clubs do. Accept mediocrity.

Of course we don't have a premiership capable side/squad at the moment - but being happy with waiting 6-8 years is bollocks. Dogs must have missed that message drafting Bontempelli in 2013.

Collingwood, Melbourne, Carlton and even Brisbane are all examples of teams who have turned their fortunes around quickly. (we did it also in 2010/2011). They haven't all won flags, but have put themselves into a position to win a flag. (some with multiple years of high end picks, others not. But those teams with a lot of early picks also burnt quite a few with poor choices).

Yes, I have considered that other teams may also want to win a flag in 2023, then in 2024 and onwards... I'm not quite sure how to plan for this amazing turn of events ;)

Sure, we would need some players on our list to show significant improvement (Allen, Hough, Chesser, Culley, one of the Williams or even better both), plus draft well this year and next, plus trade in 2-3 decent players. But it isn't as outlandish as you make it seem.
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No club accepts mediocrity.

I’m sure every club, and every set of fans would love to be in finals every year.

It just doesn’t work that way.

Clubs are run by humans who have egos and agendas. Sometimes (most times) the people in charge are the reason why clubs fail.

We also play in a national competition that isn’t truly national, or provides equal opportunities for all clubs.

You said Brisbane turned it around quickly.

We were a basket case for nigh on a decade and a half, because of the people in charge of the club.

It might have appeared we turned it around quickly, but this current team is built on the remnants of our 2013 draft, and every draft since. The low point in our history, the go home 5.

Then a reset began in 2016. We drafted at the top end of the draft, traded in a couple of stars and a lot of role players.

Now we’re just about at the end of this teams run, and look set for a mini rebuild. (Maybe. If the club sees our list as the same as the fans).

I don’t wish WC any ill will (other than when we play each other).

It’s just that fast rebuilds are very hard, and sometimes comes at a future cost.

No one saw Neale joining us in 2016, so who knows what happens in WC future. But if you’re building from the draft, I believe 2024 is an unrealistic target to be back in the 8.
 
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There is no chance, absolutely no chance that Simpson is going to play Shuey, Hurn or Redden in the WAFL. None.

Which means if we are serious about developing youth we have to take the decision out of his hands and retire at least one of them

Otherwise the status quo will remain the same, they will play due to credits in the bank, and our kids will be played out of position or in the WAFL

Moving forward, it just doesn't bode well. Snagging an extra win or two by playing out most senior players puts the development of our kids back another year

Simpson just cannot be trusted to give our kids precedence
 
Rowan18 said:
The list at the end of 07 was worse. No KPF of any note, Glass the only gun KPD (McKenzie was on the list but was a rookiee), midfield pretty bare except for Kerr (who was injured a lot from 08-10).

It turned around by drafting/trading some good kids that came on quick (JK, Shuey, Nic Nat, Gaff, Darling), unearthing/developing existing talent (Hurn, EMac, Schofield, Pridda, Lecca) and getting the vets fit for a couple of seasons.

Everyone is acting like our list has no talent at all. We know the following can perform at a high level when fit and will be with us for a few more seasons at least: TB, Gov, Yeo, TK, Ryan, Rioli, Sheed, Darling, Allen. We also have a bunch of role players to fill out other spots: Cole, Duggan, Petrol, Waterman.

Whether we bounce back quickly depends on how quick the young guys can fill the remaining spots. Midfield and ruck are really the only two areas we are desperate for. This could be solved quickly If we got Yeo fit, traded in an emerging player that takes the next step and draft a young gun that steps up, we could be in the mix in a season or two.

It won't be a long peak (we would have to drop down sooner or later to draft replacements for JD, Gov etc), but I don't see us having to embark on a 6 year rebuild.
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Gov and Yeo get injured every second week, how have they indicated they have years left? TK sure, Ryan has been absolutely pathetic this season, Rioli is wildly inconsistent and not exactly reliable, Sheed is a nice accumulator but come on, he’s not a very good player overall, Darling is already 30, by the time we’re good again he’ll very likely be cooked. TB and Allen are for sure the exciting 2 stars who have years left, but Allen can’t exactly be trusted with his health and we don’t know how he’ll go without JK taking the best defender from him.

I get that, but it’s very easy to say that. Most of our young talent are just genuinely bang ****ing average, obviously that should change with the quality of picks we have coming our way though.

We have a serious void of talent in the 22-26 age bracket, we’re essentially rebuilding completely from the ground up after 2023, I just don’t see this being a 2-3 year rebuild like most of this forum seems to think.


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Obeanie1 said:
How long did it take Collingwood again? How about Geelong?

Eagles hit the draft with top picks for mids and flankers. They don't take as long to impact. Trade in 22 yr old fringe types like Robertson with later picks adding depth.

End of 2024 English is a FA and we will have a bucket load of cash. And we are talking buckets.

And Logan McDonald will also be out of contract. Picks will be needed there.

Talls take much longer, especially rucks. So we trade for those at the end of 2024 / 2025.
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Geelong and Collingwood had / have an elite group of senior / established guys, they are not a comparable situation to us at all. I have no idea how you guys can’t comprehend that and just blindly throw comparisons like that around


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Rowan18 said:
We would be absolutely rooted without him in our midfield. At least he fills one onballer spot for several more seasons while we get the new guys in. I'm happy we have him.

Did we pay too much? I think that is borderline and we probably did overpay a bit. However, it's not like we gave up two top 10 selections. I'm yet to see anything amazing that the players selected with those choices have done.
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Sure would suck to not have him in our midfield. We might only win 2 games in a season and get smashed in the middle of the ground over and over again.
 

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mattyc75 said:
And we're still getting creamed with shuey in there so bring in the youth

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I absolutely agree, but for a season they will develop better with Shuey by their side on game day and at training. Remember our best draftees from this year (mid season and end of year) and Chesser havent effectively played a game.
 
ziad said:
I absolutely agree, but for a season they will develop better with Shuey by their side on game day and at training. Remember our best draftees from this year (mid season and end of year) and Chesser havent effectively played a game.
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This is the same Shuey that has been captain whilst standards have slipped further and further backwards… he might be a good player but a leader and standard setter he isn’t
 
From the West -

Coach Adam Simpson says West Coast know where their list is at after using 47 players in their dismal two-win 2022 season.
With an extensive rebuild on the horizon, Simpson said the Eagles knew which direction they would take after their round 23 outing against Geelong on Saturday.

“We have well and truly identified our list and where it’s at, so that’s been pleasing that everyone has got an opportunity,” he told Sportsday Victoria.
“There’s no arguments when you make list decisions when everyone has played.
https://thewest.com.au/sport/west-c...drew-gaff-in-wake-of-salary-squeeze-c-7888612
“I think we are on the right path, but until we start winning, I can’t give you any evidence.”

Injuries and COVID-19 turned what was supposed to be a last push for premiership glory into a nightmare, unveiling that their list was thin underneath the club’s aging stars.

West Coast won just one game before their round 13 bye with a string of 10-goal losses and two 100-point defeats.

But Simpson is taking a “glass half-full” approach to reviewing the season, especially to their performances post-bye and some of the young gems they have found.

“We can look at our season two ways,” he said.

“One the disappointment where we fell very short of where we thought we would get to.

“But since the bye, we have been much more competitive with our results.”

Jamaine Jones, 23, Brady Hough, 19, and Rhett Bazzo, 18 were three of the year’s highlights who would be big parts of the club’s future.

Simpson also picked out the rise and rise of Tom Barrass.

“We are looking for people to take over from Luke Shuey and Naitanui and Kennedy,” he said.

“(Barrass) is destroying opponents at the moment. I’m really pleased to see the growth from a leadership point of view.”

He also put Oscar Allen and Liam Duggan into the leadership discussion.

The Eagles have nearly a dozen players unavailable for the clash with the Cats at GMHBA, many of those having missed more than half a season, but Simpson was confident he would have a full contingent of healthy players for the start of pre-season.

“We will get the chance to refresh,” he said.

“To get our players refreshed, energised, fit and healthy, there is plenty of time.

“We’re already onto it really since the bye, so some of the guys who had season-ending injuries are well and truly getting their fitness levels right.”
 
Keys said:
Short answer is yes

The trade was always going to be judged on whether we won a flag or not. We haven’t and barring a miracle probably won’t whilst he’s at the club so on that measure it’s a failure

Doesn’t mean the trade was a mistake as it was worth a swing, it just didn’t work out due to factors other than that trade

And all things being equal, the players we brought in with those picks we traded would have been no guarantee to stop the decline we’re having. They may have softened the blow somewhat and made the road ahead a little less bleak but you can’t pin our current position on the Kelly trade

You can call it a failure though

*No Kelly and we wouldn’t have been in a position to draft Culley which saw you disappear for a while so that’s one upside to the trade
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The 4 picks could have got Robertson, Rivers, Warner and O’Driscoll and we would not have LEdwards and Culley

The trade was a failure. We overpaid, did the deal 1 year too late and gave up more $ than was appropriate (IMHO)

That said, without Yeo and Shuey in the midfield allowing him to be more outside, we were not going to see his best

Move on - learn and address the reset
 
So I had year 11 student of mine ask me how to get drafted by an AFL team.

Any ideas everyone?

Has been good enough to play for East Freo's... erm.... Development team or something
 
Monocle said:
Look no further than Tom Barrass and his comments of being a bit of a let down and it being an anti climax after the Premiership success.
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I am so sick of this being misrepresented as some lack of hunger or satisfaction that the job was done, put the feet up, the boys were happy with one.

He was talking about his mental state and the fact that his whole life had been built around achieving one specific goal, and that when he achieved it he was left with a sense of ‘what now’.

Not because he wasn’t hungry to go do it again or didn’t want another one, because he had to come to grips with his entire life centring around one thing, achieving the thing, it not feeling like he expected it to (we don’t want to hear about my sex life) and then having to figure out how to move on and go again given part of his entire identity had just changed drastically.

I know we all loved the good old tough days where you’d make them walk home if they lost and the coach gave a spray for every missed kick, and if you’d had a dog day you’d just go home to a carton of VB and punch your wife, but people continually bringing up this Tom Barrass quote is beyond gross. It’s been posted about multiple times in multiple threads tonight. God forbid he wasn’t playing All Australian football, I shudder to think how often it would come up then.

It was a very raw and introspective interview, a rare athlete interview that wasn’t put through 400 filters of media training, and the sort of thing we need more of. It wasn’t some admission of “yeah we did it, sweet as, time to cash my cheques and just have a kick around for a few years” no matter how badly some people want it to be so they have something to blame our fall since the flag on.
 
Kelly trade; I wouldn’t describe it as a success given we did it to go all in on another flag tilt and didn’t get close.

If we could have a ‘re-roll’ where we get teleported back to the day of the trade and given the option to do it again or not, on the hope that some things might go differently the second time around, I’d do it again without hesitation.

Process was good. Result was bad. If you do good process enough, the results sort themselves out.
 
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