List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Get_The_Gaff]

As I posted a few weeks back, Ashcroft is clear number and the weekend just further cemented that. Was good to see Wardlaw versus bigger bodies and he didn't disappoint me at all, so yep he's right up there. In terms of height, he has one of the best vertical leaps (standing, running) in the draft so unlike a Serong he can be a marking target.
I'm not writing off Hewett, I saw plenty of his games last year and he was absolutely elite. I just think he hasn't found his form yet!
Tsatas confirmed my red flags, unfortunately. Way too outside for us to consider.
Scully did what I thought he might, come up against a taller opposition and struggled. He's been up against kids giving away 10-15cm so far.
Lemmey really did disappoint, another like Hewett who hasn't been able to find their form. Last year he was amazing to watch.

Was good to see Clark and Hollands, both really good and showed their not that far behind a Wardlaw. So I still think dropping back a bit could be a smart move.

D'Aliola is a bit of a fan favourite for me. He makes things happen, and if he played on ball could've been the best player. At Half forward he kicked a lovely goal and broke from a stoppage to set up Tsatas.

I thought Broadbent was very good, he competed really really well in the ruck against much bigger bodies.

Munkarra was the other that really stood out to me, kid has some real talent!!!

Munkarra is not going to make it past pick 40 to who ever his NGA team is

 

[Tugga27]

I don’t think we will have the b***s to pass on Florenca after what we paid to bring Kelly back. Would be more than happy to be proven wrong. From his WAFL form and what we saw against the lions he will be a solid player for the 5-6 years at the very least while kids develop.

I agree with most of you that this is the year to cut the list deep and to be honest I think we can bounce back quickly if the right decisions are made.

Retire: Hurn, Kennedy, Shuey, Cripps
Trade: Gaff, Petch, Nelson, Langdon
Delist: Joyce, Trew, Dixon, Strnadica

On trade Gaff’s second rounder to Lions for Robertson
Offer Bailey Williams and 19 to Melbourne for Jackson
Offer up our future first which will be appealing to clubs if we can end up with another top 5 pick in this draft and get 2 quality mids with A grade potential.

I know some of you might say I’m dreaming but we can end up with 2 quality mids plus Robertson and Jackson if we are creative enough.

Perhaps you might want to tell us how you're going to trade the "contracted" players out?

 

[rko121]

Perhaps you might want to tell us how you're going to trade the "contracted" players out?

Might wanna tell them the direction club is heading in and they are better off at another club and if they decline so be it.
Unless u don't even wanna try?

 

[Tugga27]

Might wanna tell them the direction club is heading in and they are better off at another club and if they decline so be it.
Unless u don't even wanna try?

That's one way to destroy culture I guess.

 

[rko121]

That's one way to destroy culture I guess.

Fair enough, just my opinion but offering Gaff an opportunity to go to a premiership contender if he is seeking a premiership is hardly destroying culture.

 

[rko121]

Munkarra is not going to make it past pick 40 to who ever his NGA team is

Essendon i think.

 

[Tugga27]

Fair enough, just my opinion but offering Gaff an opportunity to go to a premiership contender if he is seeking a premiership is hardly destroying culture.

I wish Gaffy asked for a trade.

But offering up a player who remained loyal to us when his father was ill and he could've got a grandfather
offer from North is a bit untidy I think.

Most people on here were rapt when he signed on for us.

If he wants to go, that's different.

 

[Goosecat]

Kind of like the recruit contest but with actual players. I think it's a great idea to add as a Cat B rookie outside the cap as a free hit essentially. Problem is no state team wants to lose their best player. No way will anybody associated with the WAFL clubs agree to that, they just kind of treat AFL as if it isn't doesn't exist and just drains their talent pool.

Some negatives I can see -> guys who would be drafted anyway would lose their 2 yr min contract security, and clubs like North would no way play a guy like Aaron Black aged 29 (if they had a first choice team), over developing a 19 yr old rookie, when perhaps Geelong could.
-> Also you could see a players with families, work and other interests that keep them from being a full time athlete.

I do think there is way too much bottoming out of teams and there could be some list management rules brought in to prevent that.

Yep all fair and reasonable I think, except perhaps for the state league not wanting to lose good players part, that already exists in reality.
I don't think there is anything that couldn't be worked through re the odd possible negative. I should have added the offer can always be refused by the player for example. I'd say there is room to consider the two year minimum option actually and that was mentioned to me by another I discussed this with. All in all I don't think there is anything that couldn't be worked through and the positives regarding state league incentivisation/connection and extra layer of excitement are all there.
I also believe it could lead to even better prepared and committed state league options. If you are there about and believe in yourself, with that guaranteed AFL wage dangling as a carrot, I reckon it will drive a number to push even harder and commit more to state league.
I expect in time, once you get past the old stick in the muds who say it can't be done (of course it bloody can, there's a whole lot more complicated and unfair crap in the AFL than something like this incentive) it may be seen as a great idea by the clubs themselves.

 

[rko121]

I wish Gaffy asked for a trade.

But offering up a player who remained loyal to us when his father was ill and he could've got a grandfather
offer from North is a bit untidy I think.

Most people on here were rapt when he signed on for us.

If he wants to go, that's different.

No doubt and i will be honest i was one of them. Looking at our list i dare say guys like Yeo, Gaff and Sheed will get offers from other clubs.

 

[Tugga27]

Fair enough, just my opinion but offering Gaff an opportunity to go to a premiership contender if he is seeking a premiership is hardly destroying culture.

I wasn't having a go at you.

There's a reason why we've been one of the most successful clubs since inception.
There's also a reason why he have an excellent record at retaining players.

We're having a horror run at the moment and I think it will continue for a while.

But too many people on here have a knee jerk reaction.
Want to sack half of the squad, contracted or not, the conditioning crew, coaches, board.

It's a bit over the top IMO.

 

[Chump Change]

That's one way to destroy culture I guess.

Our culture is sort of rooted though. I like the idea of once a premiership window is over, you cash in some stars and break the team down. Some stay to help regeneration, some go and you get draft picks in return. Hard to though because players get their noses out of shape. But where we are right now, I don't see a big problem with pulling OA and Chesser aside and saying, "hey geiz, we're going to build the team around you so when I say the offer is to everyone, it's not intended for you", and then just let the group know, "hey, we're in a world of shit, we have to do a full rebuild. If you want to go elsewhere and chase a flag, we're ok with it if we can find a suitable trade". Unconventional, but it's not like anyone's nose is going to get bent anymore out of shape. Guy like Darling, Gaff, Gov, might just get their manager to make enquiries. Offload 1-3 players and we've still got enough to help regen plus a few extra lottery tickets.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

I wish Gaffy asked for a trade.

But offering up a player who remained loyal to us when his father was ill and he could've got a grandfather
offer from North is a bit untidy I think.

Most people on here were rapt when he signed on for us.

If he wants to go, that's different.

Agree with the sentiment but I'd be framing the conversation that we're going to be faced with choices next year around getting games into our youth, we need speed and run off our wings and game time is likely to be prioritised to Chesser, Hough and Naish. You're not quite up to it in the centre square and, again, we need to prioritise time in to West and Clark and our early 2022 draftees supporting Yeo and Kelly.

We thank you for everything you've done but there's a good chance you'll be seeing some WAFL time in 2023 if you choose to stay and if that's not for you we'll do what we can to get you where you want to be.

Hard to be more respectful than that in a professional sports environment and I think that conversation likely exists for Cripps and Sheed as well.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So we will learn a lot about where the club see itself and how it will rebound from a massive low by who we recruit (a start midseason and more so in Nov).

A little bit like who Liberal will elect as their new leader. If it is Mr Potatohead, business as usual. If it is a 25 year old who will strengthen the WAFL and be good solid depth, business as usual.

The press conference with Mark McGowan this morning got me thinking. Mark was asked whether Liberal were the new West Coast.

It got me thinking

When was the last high
Liberals – it all started to go to sh1t when Julie Bishop was thrown under the bus by Scomo, Corman, Cash and Mr Potatohead
Eagles – last time they were great was when Julie Bishop was No 1 ticket holder and has been downhill ever since

The Julie Principle
Liberals – a sea of blue becomes teal and Julie’s old Curtain is now closed
Eagles – since Julie was given the ovation by a blue coloured Optus, it looks like curtains for a couple of years

Winning the contest
Liberal – have ignored the middle voters
Eagles – have ignored the midfield

Ignored alarm bells in 2021
Liberal – believed the WA issue was a local one and ignored WA
Eagles – believe 2H of 2021 was an anomaly and had been addressed

Candidate and Lists
Liberals - they have a few good older MP's but a load of bog average candidates on the weekend didn't go so well (nor the last 2 years)
Eagles - they have a few good older players but a load of bog average list U 25 on the weekend didn't go so well (nor the last 2 years)

Strategy
Liberals – holding on to their old strategy and not contemporary with issues
Eagles – holding on to their old strategy and not contemporary with ball movement

Stubborn leadership
Liberals – refusing to change from 4 years ago and don't take outside input
Eagles – refusing to change from 4 years ago and don't take outside input

Lost home ground advantage
Liberals – blamed Covid and borders
Eagles – blamed Covid and injuries

Relevance
Liberals – not tackling or recognise contemporary issues
Eagles – not many of the players tackle

Environment
Liberals – climate change denial, no leadership in fire and flooding disasters
Eagles – can’t play in wet or dewy conditions and have never got the Lathlain or Optus surfaces disaster

Recruitment
Liberals – preselection based on old school and providing little top end talent
Eagles – drafting based on good leaders at school and delivering little top end

Evidence of Change
Liberals - Scomo says he will be a new leader if elected but minimal evidence in his campaign
Eagles - Simmo says he will have a new strategy but minimal evidence in this year's campaign

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Agree with the sentiment but I'd be framing the conversation that we're going to be faced with choices next year around getting games into our youth, we need speed and run off our wings and game time is likely to be prioritised to Chesser, Hough and Naish. You're not quite up to it in the centre square and, again, we need to prioritise time in to West and Clark and our early 2022 draftees supporting Yeo and Kelly.

We thank you for everything you've done but there's a good chance you'll be seeing some WAFL time in 2023 if you choose to stay and if that's not for you we'll do what we can to get you where you want to be.

Hard to be more respectful than that in a professional sports environment and I think that conversation likely exists for Cripps and Sheed as well.

If we from the outside can see that something at the club stinks, you can bet your nut that the players know all about it. I don't think it would be a very difficult subject to broach with a player. Especially those who won't see a flag in their remaining career if they stay at the eagles, it might come as a relief knowing that they don't have to play out their final 3-4 years at a club getting pantsed every week.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

What's he think of Culley?

eDPS - we would appreciate your input since Eagles are currently holding pick 1 in the mdi season draft (and will be a worst pick 2). I personally sense more Vic based prospects to be there based on usual weight of numbers but more so Vic players did not have the chance of WA and SA talent.

What are your thoughts on the top 3 or 4 prospects for the midseason draft?

Where would you rate Culley if he was in the Nov draft?

 

[Chump Change]

If we from the outside can see that something at the club stinks, you can bet your nut that the players know all about it. I don't think it would be a very difficult subject to broach with a player. Especially those who won't see a flag in their remaining career if they stay at the eagles, it might come as a relief knowing that they don't have to play out their final 3-4 years at a club getting pantsed every week.

Absolutely. I've worked in places where things just don't work and they're very inefficient and over time the employees just get jack of it. And almost on every occasion there is a CEO or senior manager just clogging and tangling shit up and they're unaware of it. Big businesses are inefficient by nature and there's multiple routes around it, but medium and small businesses - there's often to alternative route around it and it creates an unhappy culture. The amount of small businesses I've seen where the issue is the boss....

So I'm tipping it's Simmo or a head of football or someone. But most likely Simmo overstepping into other peoples' professional domains.

 

[eDPS]

eDPS - we would appreciate your input since Eagles are currently holding pick 1 in the mdi season draft (and will be a worst pick 2). I personally sense more Vic based prospects to be there based on usual weight of numbers but more so Vic players did not have the chance of WA and SA talent.

What are your thoughts on the top 3 or 4 prospects for the midseason draft?

Where would you rate Culley if he was in the Nov draft?

Balancing where they would go in the end of year draft is really tough as they have the extra season advantage. If I was to rate the VIC MSD prospects I’d have the top 10 as follows and all these 10 are players I’d feel comfortable drafting in the top 50 at the end of year draft aswell.

1. Jai Culley
2. Hugo Hall-Kahan
3. Massimo D’Ambrosio
4. Max Ramsden
5. Lachlan Carrigan
6. Jerome Lawrence
7. Ryan Eyers
8. Jamieson Ballantyne
9. Oskar Faulkhead
10. Jed Rule

I do like some of the mature options that’s I’ve managed to see. WA players like Jake Florenca and Aidan Clarke go alright, SA players Josh Carmichael and Jye Menzie are others I really like. I want to find a replay of the WA vs SA state game to get even more of an idea but I was watching the VIC Young Guns at the same time which made it hard.

 

[Matera92]

Balancing where they would go in the end of year draft is really tough as they have the extra season advantage. If I was to rate the VIC MSD prospects I’d have the top 10 as follows and all these 10 are players I’d feel comfortable drafting in the top 50 at the end of year draft aswell.

1. Jai Culley
2. Hugo Hall-Kahan
3. Massimo D’Ambrosio
4. Max Ramsden
5. Lachlan Carrigan
6. Jerome Lawrence
7. Ryan Eyers
8. Jamieson Ballantyne
9. Oskar Faulkhead
10. Jed Rule

I do like some of the mature options that’s I’ve managed to see. WA players like Jake Florenca and Aidan Clarke go alright, SA players Josh Carmichael and Jye Menzie are others I really like. I want to find a replay of the WA vs SA state game to get even more of an idea but I was watching the VIC Young Guns at the same time which made it hard.

I want us to draft him purely for the hilarious last name shennaningans.

 

[Chump Change]

Oscar Faulkhead. I bet with a name like that he has made a painstaking effort to be universally well liked. Sort like what kids with red hair have to do.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Guessing Oscar Faulkhead’s classmates had a real tough time coming up with a nickname for him.

(Damn, looks like everyone thought the same thing)

 

[FKASC]

There's also a reason why he have an excellent record at retaining players.

On the flipside, some clubs like Fremantle have exploited a lack of player retention by improving their side.

Perhaps we draft Lachie Weller instead of Duggan - we might have given him a bigger salary, treated him better, and then missed out on pick 2 from GC (Brayshaw). Ditto Brad Hill and pick 8 (Serong).

These are extreme examples, but do we go out of our way to retain players to our detriment sometimes?

 

[Monocle]

As we stand, I'm only liking Ashcroft and Warlord. Ashcroft just looks like that Bont/Pendles player - full of class and poise. Warlord has been compared to Clayton Oliver. My only know on Warlord is he's only 181cm. Is he going to grow? Is 181cm big enough? Warlord also has some Bull about him. Wines, Tracc, Oliver - they're all 186cm - 189cm. Cripps is 189cm.

Lemmey and Scully did nothing against Collingwood reserves. I suspect this is a size thing and may be related to why so many KPF's shine at u18s and then struggle in the AFL.

Let's see how they all go in the u18 champs.

Yet height alone is not the best trait to be assessing midfielders on.
Joel Selwood is 183 and I don’t see him having a problem playing against the Cripps/ Bonts / Wines of the AFL.

Wardlaw is just fine and I happen to be enrolled in the school of thought that if you are good enough ….. you are tall enough.

The kid finds his own football, is tough in the trenches, plays with insane second efforts and his disposal for an inside bull, is more than adequate.

FFS What’s not to like .


Post direct to all posters in general having a knock on his height, not meaning to have a shot at Chumpy specifically.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I want us to draft him purely for the hilarious last name shennaningans.

Lord Farquaad would solve our going too tall issues.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Yet height alone is not the best trait to be assessing midfielders on.
Joel Selwood is 183 and I don’t see him having a problem playing against the Cripps/ Bonts / Wines of the AFL.

Wardlaw is just fine and I happen to be enrolled in the school of thought that if you are good enough ….. you are tall enough.

The kid finds his own football, is tough in the trenches, plays with insane second efforts and his disposal for an inside bull, is more than adequate.

FFS What’s not to like .


Post direct to all posters in general having a knock on his height, not meaning to have a shot at Chumpy specifically.

D Kerr - 178 cm
L ONeale 177 cm
T Liberatore - 182 cm
T Mitchell - 181 cm
R Gray - 183 cm
T Kelly - 183 cm
etc etc

I would have no problems about drafting a 181 cm contested inside midfielder. Hell - we might start winning contested football.

Caleb Serong - 178 cm. Now tell me what deficiency he has in contested football?

 

[Monocle]

Guessing Oscar Faulkhead’s classmates had a real tough time coming up with a nickname for him.

(Damn, looks like everyone thought the same thing)

Nicknames are quite an art form in themselves.

Reminds me of a guy I knew from primary school who was named David Davidson and he absolutely hated the name as the repeated “David” bit pissed him off big time.
He was teased at primary school about his parents lack of creativity naming him David Davidson.

So when he rocked in day one at the new high school, where no one knew him from a bar of soap, he introduced himself as Lawson Davidson ( Lawson was his middle name ).

Well it only took till the the end of week one that a nickname was given , he was refereed to and called by the name - Henry.
So much for the new name Lawson, his new name just got changed again.

Some fifty years on, all his class and school mates still call him Henry.