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GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Missing out on Shai Bolton when we went after him is still a gut punch to this day :(

The whole Treloar if he went to Richmond thing got me reminiscing about the one that got away here
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Trelore followed Buckley, his hero, who left Brisbane to win a premiership. :p
I still laught about it.
 
sey666 said:
Is this even possible?
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Hungry Mungry

Hungry Mungry sat at supper,
Took his knife and spoon and fork,
Ate a bowl of mushroom soup, ate a slice of roasted pork,
Ate a dozen stewed tomatoes, twenty-seven deviled eggs,
Fifteen shrimps, nine bakes potatoes,
Thirty-two fried chicken legs,
A shank of lamb, a boiled ham,
Two bowls of grits, some black-eye peas,
Four chocolate shakes, eight angel cakes,
Nine custard pies with Muenster cheese,
Ten pots of tea, and after he,
Had eaten all that he was able,
He poured some broth on the tablecloth
And ate the kitchen table.His parents said, "Oh Hungry Mungry, stop these silly jokes."
Mungry opened up his mouth, and "Gulp," he ate his folks.
And then he went and ate his house, all the bricks and wood,
And then he ate up all the people in the neighborhood.
Up came twenty angry policeman shouting, "Stop and cease."
Mungry opened his mouth and "Gulp," he ate the police.
Soldiers came with tanks and guns.
Said Mungry, "They can't harm me."
He just smiled and licked his lips and ate the U.S. Army.
The President sent all his bombers--Mungry still was calm,
Put his head back, gulped the planes, and gobbled up the bomb.
He ate his town and ate the city--ate and ate and--
And then he said, "I think I'll eat the whole United States."
And so he ate Chicago first and munched the Water Tower,
And then he chewed on Pittsburgh but he found it rather sour.
He ate New York and Tennessee, and all of Boston town,
Then drank the Mississippi River just to wash it down.
And when he'd eaten every state, each puppy, boy and girl
He wiped his mouth upon his sleeve and went to eat the world.
He ate the Egypt pyramids and every church in Rome,
And all the grass in Africa and all in ice in Nome.
He ate each hill in green Brazil and then to make things worse
He decided for dessert he'd eat the universe.
He started with the moon and stars and soon as he was done
He gulped the clouds, he sipped the wind and gobbled up the sun.
Then sitting there in the cold dark air,
He started to nibble his feet,
Then his legs, then his hips
Then his neck, then his lips
Till he sat there just gnashin' his teeth
'Cause nothin' was nothin' was
Nothin' was nothin' was
Nothin' was left to eat.
 
swingdog said:
Hungry Mungry

Hungry Mungry sat at supper,
Took his knife and spoon and fork,
Ate a bowl of mushroom soup, ate a slice of roasted pork,
Ate a dozen stewed tomatoes, twenty-seven deviled eggs,
Fifteen shrimps, nine bakes potatoes,
Thirty-two fried chicken legs,
A shank of lamb, a boiled ham,
Two bowls of grits, some black-eye peas,
Four chocolate shakes, eight angel cakes,
Nine custard pies with Muenster cheese,
Ten pots of tea, and after he,
Had eaten all that he was able,
He poured some broth on the tablecloth
And ate the kitchen table.His parents said, "Oh Hungry Mungry, stop these silly jokes."
Mungry opened up his mouth, and "Gulp," he ate his folks.
And then he went and ate his house, all the bricks and wood,
And then he ate up all the people in the neighborhood.
Up came twenty angry policeman shouting, "Stop and cease."
Mungry opened his mouth and "Gulp," he ate the police.
Soldiers came with tanks and guns.
Said Mungry, "They can't harm me."
He just smiled and licked his lips and ate the U.S. Army.
The President sent all his bombers--Mungry still was calm,
Put his head back, gulped the planes, and gobbled up the bomb.
He ate his town and ate the city--ate and ate and--
And then he said, "I think I'll eat the whole United States."
And so he ate Chicago first and munched the Water Tower,
And then he chewed on Pittsburgh but he found it rather sour.
He ate New York and Tennessee, and all of Boston town,
Then drank the Mississippi River just to wash it down.
And when he'd eaten every state, each puppy, boy and girl
He wiped his mouth upon his sleeve and went to eat the world.
He ate the Egypt pyramids and every church in Rome,
And all the grass in Africa and all in ice in Nome.
He ate each hill in green Brazil and then to make things worse
He decided for dessert he'd eat the universe.
He started with the moon and stars and soon as he was done
He gulped the clouds, he sipped the wind and gobbled up the sun.
Then sitting there in the cold dark air,
He started to nibble his feet,
Then his legs, then his hips
Then his neck, then his lips
Till he sat there just gnashin' his teeth
'Cause nothin' was nothin' was
Nothin' was nothin' was
Nothin' was left to eat.
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Should be the new club song
 

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GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Id like to see us have a go at Marlion Pickett. Richmonds salary cap is tight and we can give him a trip home on more money providing we offload a guy like Hickey. I think a 3 way deal of Tom Hickey to Sydney, pick 40 odd to Richmond and Pickett to us could work for all iinvolved except Richmond who would probably be letting a player they want to keep go because they cant afford his wage
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Pickett wont cost a thing in picks.

And no way do we trade Hickey for Pickett. Havent you noticed rucks and backup rucks are in low supply and high demand. So that makes them somewhat more valuable than a Picket who is a depth role player who you can pick up cheaply if not for free.
 
Ridge Renegade said:
Decent call, but given that he's out of contract and on their rookie list (like a few solid tigers players), can't he walk as a DFA and we (or the purple potentially) get him for SFA?
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Only if he is not offered a contract by Richmond on the main list.

He can reject a rookie contract and become a DFA.
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Grabbing two first rounders in the most compromised draft in AFL history while giving up a certain 200 gamer is not a good idea.
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This "compromised draft" term gets frequently used and I question whether there is a common understanding of what it means.

Compromised draft? Yes. Bad draft? No.

So if you are holding pick 1, a compromised means it is really pick 2. Does that mean you can find a gun at pick 2? Yes. There are 3 this year that could be considered strong number 1 picks in prior years.

My assessment of the draft this year is that it is actually a really good draft. Some great talent and loads of KPP prospects available. Also loads of mids and flankers. Not a super draft but not a crap draft.

What about less talent being displayed? Will the recruiters have to back in their prior year work because of the limited games? Yes. That will then show us which clubs have good and which clubs have great recruiters. Casein point: - West Coast were interested in taking Kelly as a low risk rookie but were not quite sure in 2016. Instead, we took safe boy Gorter. West Coast wanted to wait a year to be sure and had their lunch pinched by Wells because we not good enough to be able to extrapolate what development into Tim would mean when in a professional environment. We ended up paying 2 first and 2 second rounders 24 months later to secure a Tim and we quickly discarded Gorter (who played a position where we had deep coverage).

Another example of a compromised draft was in 2010 when the first round went through to pick 27 with Gold Coast getting more picks and 2 end of R1 priorities. Surely with players like Tom Lynch at 11, Isaac Smith at 19, Cam Guthrie at 23, Jack Darling at 26, Jeremy Howell at 33 and Luke Parker at 40, there is now way it is a bad draft. Just compromised. So I believe it had compromise but it was a good draft.

How can you say the 2020 draft is more compromised that 2011? 2011 was way more compromised with GWS selling the mini draft, getting access to 17 year old prospects and getting additional first round picks. So pick 1 was really pick 15. There were the 2 best 17 year olds in the land taken first with the mini draft and 12 of the top end 17 year old birthdays taken by GWS in the pre draft allocation. So looking at the prospects in the teens, some quality but thin, slim picking for prospects in the 20's and really light past that. In my assessment, a bad draft. Probably looking worse wince there were 14 top prospects off before the draft.

My personal assessment is that the 2011 draft was, by a huge margin, the most compromised draft we have ever seen.

I will happily tag this post and let you come back post draft and debate whether there were any good prospects still on the table with end of the first round.
 
The lack of exposed form this year may readily in some kids being taken early based on last year's form that may have otherwise slid. Equally some others that are late bloomers may be available deep into the draft that may have gone top10 had there been a full U18s comp this year.
In short, I can see having high picks will be more of a gamble than normal years and late picks will have a higher chance of picking up some gems. Best year IMO to have a poor draft hand.
 
Dark Sharks said:
I like how we've gone from having our first selection at pick 30 to now having pick 1.

Been a full on weekend.
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We’re trading Yeo and our second rounder for pick 1 and Cam Ellis-Yolmen Tyson Stengle
 
Doashuey said:
The lack of exposed form this year may readily in some kids being taken early based on last year's form that may have otherwise slid. Equally some others that are late bloomers may be available deep into the draft that may have gone top10 had there been a full U18s comp this year.
In short, I can see having high picks will be more of a gamble than normal years and late picks will have a higher chance of picking up some gems. Best year IMO to have a poor draft hand.
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Fair chance you're right, be nice to get an extra second rounder or two somehow.
 
Godfather32 said:
Fair chance you're right, be nice to get an extra second rounder or two somehow.
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Well we do have hickey and can trade our future 2nd 3rd and 4th .

We also have 2 3rds . With clubs wanting to trade back to accumulate points for academy players we have a good chance of getting up the draftb order
 
Yamumluvsbigcox said:
Well we do have hickey and can trade our future 2nd 3rd and 4th .

We also have 2 3rds . With clubs wanting to trade back to accumulate points for academy players we have a good chance of getting up the draftb order
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Is there really much demand for Hickey though? I think we'll struggle to get a second rounder for him given his age.
 
Godfather32 said:
Is there really much demand for Hickey though? I think we'll struggle to get a second rounder for him given his age.
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Thought Sydney were keen as they didn't get pruess.

Sydney have pick 22 that will end up pick 26 after FA compo . That will end up 30+ after bids .

Sydney will want to move that pick on as they will have to match bids .

Hickey + our 2x 3rds for

Sydney 2nd

Values hickey at mid 3rd rounder
 

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GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Id like to see us have a go at Marlion Pickett. Richmonds salary cap is tight and we can give him a trip home on more money providing we offload a guy like Hickey. I think a 3 way deal of Tom Hickey to Sydney, pick 40 odd to Richmond and Pickett to us could work for all iinvolved except Richmond who would probably be letting a player they want to keep go because they cant afford his wage
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Unfortunately the time to go after M.Pickett was years ago when he could have been selected with nothing more than our final pick in the rookie draft - instead for four years in succession the club went after crabs like Snadden, Gorter, Burrows and Smith.


The club has a deplorable history of overlooking talent that could have been procured in the rookie draft:

Rookie Draft Selections vs Availability
WAFL players highlighted in yellow.

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W.Maginness over C.Cameron (Yes, that C.Cameron)
A re-rookied M.Newman over W.Rioli who just kicked 4 goals to win the NTFL Grand Final for St Marys?
A recycled K.Lucas over Adam Saad, K.Lambert or S.Menegola?
J.Snadden and B.Colledge over H.Greenwood and M.Pickett?
T.Gorter and F.McInnes over T.Kelly and L.Ryan?
R.Burrows over L.Baker? (That one still makes my blood boil)
Collingwood discard J.Smith over any of S.Stack, M.Pickett or J.Bolton?
A.Treacy and N.Reid over R.Bennell or B.Sokol?

It goes on and on in a shameful list failed selections and missed opportunities.

These are players that were (for the most part) mature-aged and right under the club's nose, and accordingly should have been well-known and well-scouted - that they were passed up entirely, often over multiple years is an indictment of our recruiting.


Who would you rather have playing against Collingwood in this year's Elimination Final? B.Ainsworth or J.Bolton? B.Ah Chee or J.Ramsay? J.Petrucelle or B.Sokol?

There are plenty of players out there in the secondary leagues who are superior to those that currently occupy places within the squad list.


The entire approach the club takes to rookie selections needs to be overhauled. Screw the hail-mary long shot "project" players or undersized injury-impacted "sliders". That far down the selection queue, taking such action is just throwing picks away. Leave the rookie draft for the selection of mature-agers and late-bloomers who have already battled their way against big bodies for years and are ready to have immediate impact and improve the squad.


The above only covers players that were available at the club's rookie selections and excludes the national draft and pick availability there entirely - I'll perhaps leave that for another time - but the point is clear that many of the selection decisions that have been made do leave a lot to be desired.

What grinds all the more is several of those above that could have been gained over the years at the lowest price are now key members of clubs that are our biggest rivals for premiership success.


But sure, let's give up our only backup ruckman that is capable of playing the full duration of match for M.Pickett.
 
Dylan82 said:
Unfortunately the time to go after M.Pickett was years ago when he could have been selected with nothing more than our final pick in the rookie draft - instead for four years in succession the club went after crabs like Snadden, Gorter, Burrows and Smith.


The club has a deplorable history of overlooking talent that could have been procured in the rookie draft:

Rookie Draft Selections vs Availability
WAFL players highlighted in yellow.

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W.Maginness over C.Cameron (Yes, that C.Cameron)
A re-rookied M.Newman over W.Rioli who just kicked 4 goals to win the NTFL Grand Final for St Marys?
A recycled K.Lucas over Adam Saad, K.Lambert or S.Menegola?
J.Snadden and B.Colledge over H.Greenwood and M.Pickett?
T.Gorter and F.McInnes over T.Kelly and L.Ryan?
R.Burrows over L.Baker? (That one still makes my blood boil)
Collingwood discard J.Smith over any of S.Stack, M.Pickett or J.Bolton?
A.Treacy and N.Reid over R.Bennell or B.Sokol?

It goes on and on in a shameful list failed selections and missed opportunities.

These are players that were (for the most part) mature-aged and right under the club's nose, and accordingly should have been well-known and well-scouted - that they were passed up entirely, often over multiple years is an indictment of our recruiting.


Who would you rather have playing against Collingwood in this year's Elimination Final? B.Ainsworth or J.Bolton? B.Ah Chee or J.Ramsay? J.Petrucelle or B.Sokol?

There are plenty of players out there in the secondary leagues who are superior to those that currently occupy places within the squad list.


The entire approach the club takes to rookie selections needs to be overhauled. Screw the hail-mary long shot "project" players or undersized injury-impacted "sliders". That far down the selection queue, taking such action is just throwing picks away. Leave the rookie draft for the selection of mature-agers and late-bloomers who have already battled their way against big bodies for years and are ready to have immediate impact and improve the squad.


The above only covers players that were available at the club's rookie selections and excludes the national draft and pick availability there entirely - I'll perhaps leave that for another time - but the point is clear that many of the selection decisions that have been made do leave a lot to be desired.

What grinds all the more is several of those above that could have been gained over the years at the lowest price are now key members of clubs that are our biggest rivals for premiership success.


But sure, let's give up our only backup ruckman that is capable of playing the full duration of match for M.Pickett.
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Almost all the other clubs overlooked those players too.

I don't even want marlion pickett . He just hacks the ball forward without looking. That is the Richmond game style.

Unfortunately that won't fly with us .

Why are you upset about not getting a role player ?

You need to look forward not backwards
 
Dylan82 said:
Unfortunately the time to go after M.Pickett was years ago when he could have been selected with nothing more than our final pick in the rookie draft - instead for four years in succession the club went after crabs like Snadden, Gorter, Burrows and Smith.


The club has a deplorable history of overlooking talent that could have been procured in the rookie draft:

Rookie Draft Selections vs Availability
WAFL players highlighted in yellow.

View attachment 995068

View attachment 995079

W.Maginness over C.Cameron (Yes, that C.Cameron)
A re-rookied M.Newman over W.Rioli who just kicked 4 goals to win the NTFL Grand Final for St Marys?
A recycled K.Lucas over Adam Saad, K.Lambert or S.Menegola?
J.Snadden and B.Colledge over H.Greenwood and M.Pickett?
T.Gorter and F.McInnes over T.Kelly and L.Ryan?
R.Burrows over L.Baker? (That one still makes my blood boil)
Collingwood discard J.Smith over any of S.Stack, M.Pickett or J.Bolton?
A.Treacy and N.Reid over R.Bennell or B.Sokol?

It goes on and on in a shameful list failed selections and missed opportunities.

These are players that were (for the most part) mature-aged and right under the club's nose, and accordingly should have been well-known and well-scouted - that they were passed up entirely, often over multiple years is an indictment of our recruiting.


Who would you rather have playing against Collingwood in this year's Elimination Final? B.Ainsworth or J.Bolton? B.Ah Chee or J.Ramsay? J.Petrucelle or B.Sokol?

There are plenty of players out there in the secondary leagues who are superior to those that currently occupy places within the squad list.


The entire approach the club takes to rookie selections needs to be overhauled. Screw the hail-mary long shot "project" players or undersized injury-impacted "sliders". That far down the selection queue, taking such action is just throwing picks away. Leave the rookie draft for the selection of mature-agers and late-bloomers who have already battled their way against big bodies for years and are ready to have immediate impact and improve the squad.


The above only covers players that were available at the club's rookie selections and excludes the national draft and pick availability there entirely - I'll perhaps leave that for another time - but the point is clear that many of the selection decisions that have been made do leave a lot to be desired.

What grinds all the more is several of those above that could have been gained over the years at the lowest price are now key members of clubs that are our biggest rivals for premiership success.


But sure, let's give up our only backup ruckman that is capable of playing the full duration of match for M.Pickett.
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Jesus, that's depressing reading.
 
Miguel Sanchez said:
It’s almost as if drafting is an inexact science
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Last night's Grand Final featured 7 players who were rookie selections from those years described in the previous post above and available at the time of West Coast's first rookie pick.

Four of those were mature aged, playing WAFL for years under our noses.

It may be an inexact science, but not rating players who obviously do have the ability to execute at the highest level should pose questions of those who made the decisions.
 
First of all, afaik we couldn't have picked up Hugh Greenwood as he had already agreed to a deal with Adelaide as a cat b rookie after walking out on his contract with the Wildcats.

The only really clear one that we should've picked up was Charlie Cameron in 2013, as he had played in the WAFL and was right under our noses after being slipping through in that year's draft. He was always gonna be picked up early in the rookie draft. That one was the biggest head scratcher for me.

We were unfortunately too fixated on picking a player that we missed out in their draft year in Kane Lucas to consider anyone else in 2014.

Not concerned as much about not picking up anyone else that was overlooked by almost every other club and wasn't even picked up in that year's rookie draft.
 
Yamumluvsbigcox said:
Almost all the other clubs overlooked those players too.

I don't even want marlion pickett . He just hacks the ball forward without looking. That is the Richmond game style.

Unfortunately that won't fly with us .

Why are you upset about not getting a role player ?

You need to look forward not backwards
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Because the lack of role players to support the top tier are what has cost the club the chance of creating a dynasty in its own right over the past two years.

Geelong don't overlook the mature-agers that play well for the Falcons - we should be approaching the WAFL in much the same way.

It took T.Stewart to get to 24 before being drafted. If he was playing for say, East Perth, I have no doubt he still would have been completely overlooked by the club.


The reason I get upset is now we have discussions about potentially giving up something that could significantly weaken the squad in the process for a player that could have been taken a year earlier at the lowest price - it reeks of poor list management.

Naitanui is 31 next year. There is no chance Williams will be ready to assume a primary ruck role next year if Hickey is traded out and Naitanui gets injured, especially if standard quarter lengths are reinstated. What then? Hope that Vardy is not delisted and that he somehow rediscovers his 2018 form?
 
Dylan82 said:
Because the lack of role players to support the top tier are what has cost the club the chance of creating a dynasty in its own right over the past two years.

Geelong don't overlook the mature-agers that play well for the Falcons - we should be approaching the WAFL in much the same way.

It took T.Stewart to get to 24 before being drafted. If he was playing for say, East Perth, I have no doubt he still would have been completely overlooked by the club.


The reason I get upset is now we have discussions about potentially giving up something that could significantly weaken the squad in the process for a player that could have been taken a year earlier at the lowest price - it reeks of poor list management.

Naitanui is 31 next year. There is no chance Williams will be ready to assume a primary ruck role next year if Hickey is traded out and Naitanui gets injured, especially if standard quarter lengths are reinstated. What then? Hope that Vardy is not delisted and that he somehow rediscovers his 2018 form?
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Who is saying give up hickey for pickett ?

If we wanted Pickett which it doesn't look like we do he would pretty much be free .
 
Dylan82 said:
The entire approach the club takes to rookie selections needs to be overhauled. Screw the hail-mary long shot "project" players or undersized injury-impacted "sliders". That far down the selection queue, taking such action is just throwing picks away. Leave the rookie draft for the selection of mature-agers and late-bloomers who have already battled their way against big bodies for years and are ready to have immediate impact and improve the squad.
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Careful, you'll have the "We OnLy DrAfT vAnIlLa PlAyErS" brigade after you if the club adopts that attitude!

Or we could end up with another 200 game Brownlow medalist on the list, who knows?

Now to sit back, and watch the world burn :)
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Id like to see us have a go at Marlion Pickett. Richmonds salary cap is tight and we can give him a trip home on more money providing we offload a guy like Hickey. I think a 3 way deal of Tom Hickey to Sydney, pick 40 odd to Richmond and Pickett to us could work for all iinvolved except Richmond who would probably be letting a player they want to keep go because they cant afford his wage
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I feel we missed the boat. At 28 probs getting a bit old for what we would have to give up
 
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