List Mgmt. Contracts. Trades. Draft. Other Assorted Crap. 2020 Edition

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[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Not making comment on Pickett but it seems hacking the ball forward has been a fairly handy strategy for Richmond. While I reckon our best 22 includes more champions than Richmond they are a 'champion team'. Chaos ball - done well like Richmond - seems to be the game to beat now.
It's proven more successful than the precision kick and mark game (think Geel, WCE, Coll) - a game style not suited to short or narrow grounds, windy or wet or dewy conditions etc. Our style has not been able to consistently combat the 'chaos ball' game. Sure it's a high risk style but done well (like Richmond) it's a flag winner.

So we need to be thinking do we just stick with our old (good but outdated) Plan A or do we do what Clarkson successfully did and keep evolving the style? And then trying to find players to fit. Sure we have an over abundance of talls but will they give us a winning game style? Or should we trade some?

BTW our shortest player in our last match was Ryan (179cm). On Saturday night Richmond had six players 179 or less. Just sayin'.

You hit the nail on the head why we shouldn't get pickett .

Richmond have a swarm of small quick ground ball players to attack that hack kick forward when it hits the ground . We rely on hitting targets by foot.

Unfortunately its not a very good game plan when it's wet . But in the dry it's hard to beat when executed correctly.

Unfortunately for us we played a lot of wet games this year and the afl scheduled us all night games in our 2nd qld hub which stitched us up

 

[ziad]

You hit the nail on the head why we shouldn't get pickett .

Richmond have a swarm of small quick ground ball players to attack that hack kick forward when it hits the ground . We rely on hitting targets by foot.

Unfortunately its not a very good game plan when it's wet . But in the dry it's hard to beat when executed correctly.

Unfortunately for us we played a lot of wet games this year and the afl scheduled us all night games in our 2nd qld hub which stitched us up

Richmond also nullifried the power forwards for Port and Cats very well. That doesnt leave much for us. Cue Willie

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Richmond also nullifried the power forwards for Port and Cats very well. That doesnt leave much for us. Cue Willie

Both games were really wet . All they had to do was bring the ball to ground which is easy when it's soggy and swarm on the ground ball .

Richmond were really kissed on the dick with the weather this finals series

 

[mattyc75]

Surely GWS cant play hard ball with a player they hardly played all year and wasnt a high draft pick to begin with.tbh I'd be disappointed giving any more than our last live pick for him.thats if he isnt delisted first
As for cox i havent seen much of him ,did he look like he belonged out there when he did get a game?

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[Mulldogg]

Geez there are some nuffies that ring the Trade Radio line. One Saints fan asked what they’d have to give up to get Brad Crouch

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[shooshka]

You hit the nail on the head why we shouldn't get pickett .

Richmond have a swarm of small quick ground ball players to attack that hack kick forward when it hits the ground . We rely on hitting targets by foot.

Unfortunately its not a very good game plan when it's wet . But in the dry it's hard to beat when executed correctly.

Unfortunately for us we played a lot of wet games this year and the afl scheduled us all night games in our 2nd qld hub which stitched us up

Pickett does butcher it, but also applies quite a lot of pressure and is somewhat quick (and has a good sidestep).

With our draft and trade hand as it is, the players we bring in will have to be role players with deficiencies. I'd personally prefer pickett to ainsworth in the side - I think it improves us.

I'd be happy if they want to concentrate on youth - if the coaches believe we have the players to win a premiership (we do) then doing nothing is perfectly fine - but execution and application will be key next year. However if there are free agents who will improve us at minimal salary cost then we should go for it.

 

[bUCKET__]

There's simply no room for a mature depth player like Pickett, doesn't improve us even slightly in the midfield. Would much rather see Duggan, Nelson and Cole get minutes further up the ground.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Exactly.

We used a first round pick on him, have put three years of development into him, and people are saying swap him for a guy that is not in the best 22 at Geelong.
In essence saying, have our first round pick in 2017 (Brander), our first round pick in 2019 and our first round pick in 2020 for Kelly and some outside the fringe guy.

Yeah, good trading, good use of development and great common sense.

If I'm honest we'd be best off playing Brander as full forward and have JK used sparingly. Accept 2021 as a year to get games into a lot of new and developing guys. Last time we did that was 2018, and that didn't turn out too badly.

Saying we’ve developed Brander for 3 years is a little disingenuous. In reality he’s probably only gained about a years worth after the piss farting around we’ve done with him.

 

[Obeanie1]

Even if he wanted out? Surely that would change things?

Obviously. But he doesn't and is highly unlikely to want out. He isn't an under paid youngster on the fringe not getting games.

Williams and Brander now they are good, up and coming fringe players who won't be getting big dollars yet and to date have not had much of a run in the best 22. And they are the types opposition clubs seriously target and do have half a chance to pry out.

 

[Obeanie1]

It's pretty lazy (although not surprising) reporting.

Geelong have wanted Brander for 2 years now, and we are going to give him up for Clark - a guy that can't make their team?

I think we should really look at trading Hickey if he is open to it. He's a good, solid player - but the reality is we have little-to-no currency (in the draft, and for trades) and have 5 ruckmen on our list (and, like the rest of the comp, have moved to playing 1 ruck and a backup). It is too many.

It isn't lazy at all. Geelong have enquired about Brander for two years and we are very interested in Clark. Both 1st rounders in the teens and both fringe players. We have too many talls and need mids preferably ones with pace, and Clark has that.

If Clark and Brander were traded for each other I can see both clubs fans being disappointed but also excited about the player coming in. Which indicates a reasonable trade both ways.
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[shooshka]

It isn't lazy at all. Geelong have enquired about Brander for two years and we are very interested in Clark. Both 1st rounders in the teens and both fringe players. We have too many talls and need mids preferably ones with pace, and Clark has that.

If Clark and Brander were traded for each other I can see both clubs fans being disappointed but also excited about the player coming in. Which indicates a reasonable trade both ways.
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Just because they are both 1st rounders it doesn't make them worth an equal amount 2 and/or 3 years into their careers.

Clark was worth much more 2 years ago - Brander is worth more now than 12 months ago (when Geelong wanted him as part of the Kelly trade and we held out).

We'd basically be giving Geelong the exact sort of player they need - for a player that we have quite a few of. I'm sure I heard somewhere (Wells!) that certain clubs make others pay more if they are 'making a contender stronger'...

 

[ziad]

Just because they are both 1st rounders it doesn't make them worth an equal amount 2 and/or 3 years into their careers.

Clark was worth much more 2 years ago - Brander is worth more now than 12 months ago (when Geelong wanted him as part of the Kelly trade and we held out).

We'd basically be giving Geelong the exact sort of player they need - for a player that we have quite a few of. I'm sure I heard somewhere (Wells!) that certain clubs make others pay more if they are 'making a contender stronger'...

How did the Hawkins centric tall forward line go in the GF for the cats?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Brander is worth more now than 12 months ago (when Geelong wanted him as part of the Kelly trade and we held out).

What are you basing this on, mate? Geelong making a GF and therefore being a much clearer 'contender'?

Brander hasn't done anything on field to increase his value in the past year.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Would do Brander for Clark in a heartbeat.

 

[mezaire]

On the discussion of our drafting......we have drafted 2 mids who have made it in the last 10 season!!! 2!!!!

Sure Duggan might make it as a mid and Venebles was injury, but either way, we need to improve our scouting etc on mids.

 

[Chad in Vegas]

What are the attitude issues with Clark people have referenced? I thought there were pretty big wraps on his character when he was drafter.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Except in the two Grand Final sides you’ve got players taken in recent rookie drafts making an impact like Short, Lambert, Castagna, Baker, Henry, Simpson, and then Atkins who didn’t play but was best 22 for Geelong for most of the year.

last decade’s power sides Sydney and to a lesser extent Hawthorn also had several rookies playing in their premiership teams.

It’s fair to say WC doesn’t use the rookie draft as well as other recently successful sides.

Alot of young talent still resides in Vic, how much of a say do rookies have these days about wanting to stay in their state?

 

[Chris_6678]

What are the attitude issues with Clark people have referenced? I thought there were pretty big wraps on his character when he was drafter.

There isnt.

Geelong are in flag mode so they have played the older and more experienced players. Also had an injury or two during the season and with no VFL its been hard to build that consistency.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

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Good

Because he's been utter rubbish since 18. Below WAFL reserves level in 19.

 

[BrotherDodge]

Saying we’ve developed Brander for 3 years is a little disingenuous. In reality he’s probably only gained about a years worth after the piss farting around we’ve done with him.

Exactly. We need to give him a decent run as either a KPF or KPD this year and see how good he really is. We'd think Kennedy and McGovern were shit too if we'd decided they were wingmen for some reason.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Going by the way Vozzo semi hosed down the Clark talk on radio the other day..


"Hes contracted and happy at Geelong, I haven't heard anything on the contrary.."


I wouldn't waste your breath unless Geelong suddenly instigate it by going after Brander again.

 

[KO_KO]

Good

Because he's been utter rubbish since 18. Below WAFL reserves level in 19.

Here we go...

In other news, what's peoples thoughts on mangoes?

 

[RanaNaved]

Fan of mango. A high percentage of them are good too.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Good

Because he's been utter rubbish since 18. Below WAFL reserves level in 19.

You clearly haven’t been watching the same WAFL reserves games I have