Certified Legendary Thread Corona, Jamaica ooh I wanna take ya (COVID-19 Information & Discussion Here) Part 2 "The Second Wave"

[ad victoriam]

Most Australians are well aware that these drugs are experimental, and prefer not to be treated as guinea pigs or lab rats.

Short lockdowns will be tolerated as a means of keeping the population safe, until a safe & effective vaccine becomes available - right now, the vaccines have not been proven to be safe or effective.

The TGA's decision won't be "risk vs reward", it will be "safe and effective".

At this stage, the expected timeline remains approval in March, followed by a rollout to high priority recipients (frontline health workers, elderly & people in high risk groups), with the rest of Australia getting access to the drugs progressively in the second half of the year, children won't be getting it until 2022. There is no evidence to suggest that the TGA will, or should, be deviating from that timeline.

We will see.
As for most Australia aware these drugs are experimental, I doubt that as more and more will change their minds once they see the Rest of the World approve the Drug, and open up, while they cannot plan ahead more than a month.
However, I doubt this will happen because Australia will have an Approved Drug sooner than Latter.

And Mate Every approval has Risk vs Reward as part of the decision-making process, because Safe & Effective, does not work when it too late to be truly effective.
Just curious can you name a vaccine that did not have some form of risk vs reward in its decision-making process,

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Another 23 locally acquired cases in NSW & government increasing restrictions for the Northern beaches with lockdowns. Feel for them over the festive season.

Macron another leader with covid, just after he had met numerous other European leaders so many are in isolation.

Really hope the vaccine is successful...

 

[FR0GGY]

So apparently Mitchell Starc has been given an exemption to stay.
He was still at home in the Northern Beaches on the 11th.

 

[BACCS]

Banning stand up drinking at the cricket because of an outbreak interstate, when everyone is outside anyway? Who comes up with this crap?

 

[BACCS]

So apparently Mitchell Starc has been given an exemption to stay.
He was still at home in the Northern Beaches on the 11th.

They’re in a bubble anyway and can’t go anywhere outside their hotel

 

[FR0GGY]

They’re in a bubble anyway and can’t go anywhere outside their hotel

They staying at the oval these days?

 

[Vhaluus]

Mate we have no choice, our Diplomats need to fly overseas, along with other government and no so government officials, Covid not the only serious issue facing Australia, there are several other serious and concerning issues afoot, that need to be addressed,
Also, Australia is a nation of laws, and one of those laws required us to allow All Australian citizen to return to our Country,
End of the day Mistakes will happen,

There is nothing they need to travel overseas for that can't be done remotely, nothing.

 

[BACCS]

They staying at the oval these days?

Don’t think so, at the Intercontinental I believe

 

[jenny61_99]

#breaking: People travelling from greater Sydney or the NSW Central Coast will have to have a COVID-19 test on arrival in Queensland and will have to quarantine until they get a negative result.

MORE: https://ab.co/2J38eYJ

Coronavirus has also been detected in sewage on the Gold Coast, Townsville, Cleveland, and North Cairns.

Anyone travelling from the Northern beaches will need to apply for an exemption to enter Queensland, and if granted will still need to go into hotel quarantine for 14 days.

From 1am tomorrow, anyone travelling from NSW into Queensland will need to complete a border pass declaration form.

 

[Vhaluus]

#breaking: People travelling from greater Sydney or the NSW Central Coast will have to have a COVID-19 test on arrival in Queensland and will have to quarantine until they get a negative result.

MORE: https://ab.co/2J38eYJ

Coronavirus has also been detected in sewage on the Gold Coast, Townsville, Cleveland, and North Cairns.

Anyone travelling from the Northern beaches will need to apply for an exemption to enter Queensland, and if granted will still need to go into hotel quarantine for 14 days.

From 1am tomorrow, anyone travelling from NSW into Queensland will need to complete a border pass declaration form.

Cairns at least has had multiple positive sewage tests even before this.

Likely other places too.

It can last in the sewage for a long time and can come from positive cases in quarantine.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Banning stand up drinking at the cricket because of an outbreak interstate, when everyone is outside anyway? Who comes up with this crap?

For real?

 

[ad victoriam]

There is nothing they need to travel overseas for that can't be done remotely, nothing.

I sincerely hope you do not mean that,

 

[BACCS]

For real?

Yep, ridiculous. Also funny seeing the media run with suddenly bringing in the QR code for the Village Green area because of the outbreak... note, it’s been there since Day 1.

 

[Vhaluus]

I sincerely hope you do not mean that,

secure remote communication methods exist lol

 

[FR0GGY]

Yep, ridiculous. Also funny seeing the media run with suddenly bringing in the QR code for the Village Green area because of the outbreak... note, it’s been there since Day 1.

Apparently it’s because there was a girl that said to a security guard that she was from the northern beaches she disappeared and they spent the whole day looking for her without luck.
Probably some drunk sprouting shit.

 

[Vader]

What do the Pilots and attendants that live in Australia do? I would think they go home between Shifts if in their home towns.

Right now, there aren't any. Qantas & Virgin have both shut down their international operations. It's only foreign airlines doing international flights into Australia right now.

 

[Vader]

Cairns at least has had multiple positive sewage tests even before this.

Likely other places too.

It can last in the sewage for a long time and can come from positive cases in quarantine.

Yes... but who is quarantining in North Cairns?

 

[Vader]

We will see.
As for most Australia aware these drugs are experimental, I doubt that as more and more will change their minds once they see the Rest of the World approve the Drug, and open up, while they cannot plan ahead more than a month.
However, I doubt this will happen because Australia will have an Approved Drug sooner than Latter.

And Mate Every approval has Risk vs Reward as part of the decision-making process, because Safe & Effective, does not work when it too late to be truly effective.
Just curious can you name a vaccine that did not have some form of risk vs reward in its decision-making process,

That's why the normal process takes years - because they need to ascertain exactly what the risks are, how the drug reacts with other drugs which people may be taking, whether it's safe for pregnant women, or people with medical conditions. They simply haven't had time to do the testing required to determine these answers - which is why they can't say that it's safe or effective (let alone both).

They're not going to rush approval when there is no medical emergency in Australia (current outbreak notwithstanding). It's not going to be approved here until the TGA is satisfied that it's Safe & Effective, right now there is insufficient evidence to prove either requirement has been met.

 

[Vader]

For those who were critical of SA Health, due to the lengthy queues for testing during Adelaide's outbreak - NSW is no better. Reports of 5 hour queues for testing today.

 

[BACCS]

Apparently it’s because there was a girl that said to a security guard that she was from the northern beaches she disappeared and they spent the whole day looking for her without luck.
Probably some drunk sprouting sh*t.

Just released that 3 close contacts went to the Test (assuming Day 1), but are already now in medi-hotels and have returned a negative test result

 

[GROTTO]

Another 23 locally acquired cases in NSW & government increasing restrictions for the Northern beaches with lockdowns. Feel for them over the festive season.

Macron another leader with covid, just after he had met numerous other European leaders so many are in isolation.

Really hope the vaccine is successful...

Expect the worse, there was a lot of partying last night in Sydney in anticipation of a lockdown.

 

[mistylake]

Right now, there aren't any. Qantas & Virgin have both shut down their international operations. It's only foreign airlines doing international flights into Australia right now.

And not being Australian wouldn’t understand the complete and utter fear that keeps Australians compliant to a large degree. It may be difficult to get foreign crews to comply like Australians might.
I hear of Tinder hookups being organised by the flight crews but I would’ve expected Grinder more likely.

 

[ad victoriam]

secure remote communication methods exist lol

I fully understand that, I talk to my Son and his family weekly and they live in the US. on my personal PC.
I also regularly have video linkup time with several people around Australia on my Work supplied PC. And it, not the same as being there.
However sometimes it takes a personal touch, sometimes being there allows you to see thing differently,
And Some cultures prefer face to face meetings.
A person can gather more information from a real-time visit than they can by spending hours talking on a PC.
If you want to run a country or a major business you want to look people in eye you want to talk to them see them, if not you then you want the correct people doing it.

 

[ad victoriam]

That's why the normal process takes years - because they need to ascertain exactly what the risks are, how the drug reacts with other drugs which people may be taking, whether it's safe for pregnant women, or people with medical conditions. They simply haven't had time to do the testing required to determine these answers - which is why they can't say that it's safe or effective (let alone both).

They're not going to rush approval when there is no medical emergency in Australia (current outbreak notwithstanding). It's not going to be approved here until the TGA is satisfied that it's Safe & Effective, right now there is insufficient evidence to prove either requirement has been met.

Mate, you do realize these ain't normal times, and at no time in history has there been this amount of cooperation and money been spent to ensure a quicker turn over of information, number of people undergoing trials, the information sharing is unprecedented in history,
And yet some still believe we should use a historical approach,
And what makes you positive there no medical emergency in Australia, We will be putting out spot fires for months and Australia cannot effectively continue to live in a situation where nobody knows how long the borders will stay open,
Again it will be a risk vs reward decision like it always has been.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Banning stand up drinking at the cricket because of an outbreak interstate, when everyone is outside anyway? Who comes up with this crap?

They were asking whether I was from the Northern beaches on entry today... like I couldn't read the 2 sms they sent me...