Could Wayde Skipper hold down the KPD role?

[Jono Prout]

The general consensus is that we need a KPD to do the role that Trent Croad did for us in 2008. Here are Trent Croad's stats:

Trent Croad Height and weight 192cm / 92kg

Potentional KPD players on our list are:

Jarryd Roughead Height and weight 193cm / 102kg
Wayde Skipper Height and weight 193cm / 90kg
Ryan Schoenmakers Height/Weight 193cm / 85kg

Stephen Gilham Height and weight 192cm / 92kg

Josh Gibson Height and weight 189cm / 92kg
Ben Stratton Height and weight 189cm / 82kg

The question is... Could Wayde Skipper be the man??? We know he has the foot skills and the endurance, but does he have the pace?

 

[Taskmaster]

Most Definatley!!!

I think CHB. Has a great mark and good skill level. Plus has a pretty big tank for a big bloke.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

i suppose he could, but defense is more then 1-on-1

Croady was only 189 cm, yet was one of the best KPD of his era.

in the words of kenny rogers, you have to know when to hold them, and know when to fold them.

if you dont get that, as a defender, you need to know when to play tight on your oponent, and when to run off and help your teammate.

Roughead knows how to do this. Yeah yeah, i know you dont take a 60 goal forward out bla bla.

 

[Flukey!]

The thing about Croady is that he was an athlete and Skipper isnt that.

I still hope Shoenmakers can put some weight on and take that role.

 

[lethalselbow]

Not sure. Does he have good leg speed?? He's definitely gives it his all, but whether he has the closing speed for the job..?

Couldn't be up forward because he can't kick straight.

 

[Taskmaster]

The thing about Croady is that he was an athlete and Skipper isnt that.

I still hope Shoenmakers can put some weight on and take that role.

Shoenmakers will have to learn how to hit a target from 20m away before he gets a look in. His turnovers are woeful!!

And he did not really show much at BH, so unless he pulls his finger out of his a..e, then it maybe a long road ahead.

 

[Tasmaniac]

Not possible.

He doesn't have the necessary mobility/agility combination required.

So that's pretty much it.

 

[onthemoney]

I wouldn't think so. But I reckon he'd look all right around the CHF/HFF. With Buddy on a wing or in the guts, still giving us tall timber up the field. Skipper's earnt his place for mine.

 

[hfc2008]

I think it could do a Leigh Brown type role next year, and be in and out of the team depending on match ups.

He can go forward or back, and ruck a bit around the ground.

 

[Jono Prout]

I wouldn't think so. But I reckon he'd look all right around the CHF/HFF. With Buddy on a wing or in the guts, still giving us tall timber up the field. Skipper's earnt his place for mine.

After a fantastic 2009, Skipper has definietly earnt his place, but with Hale coming into the forward line, I cant see Skipper playing forward as well.

As I see it, there is only room for him either as 1) a defender; or 2) our sole substitute.

 

[Pessimistic]

Minding the opponents forward resting ruckman ?

Get him (and renouf) doing defensive drills

I thought he is a fair kick for goal too - stats anyone ?

 

[Gene Simmons]

I still think/hope that with further development & another pre-season Shoenmakers can take the role of a KPD. I think we forget that he is younger than Stratton and is only 19 yrs old still.

This will be a huge bonus to the team if he can hold a key spot in our back 6 in 2011!

 

[tige19]

I love the idea of giving Skip the chance to hold down CHB, he certainly has the endurance and body strength. Pace would be the only query in saying they big blokes look slower cause there steps are longer, I think he would be great value down back certainly no worst than Gilham!

 

[tige19]

I still think/hope that with further development & another pre-season Shoenmakers can take the role of a KPD. I think we forget that he is younger than Stratton and is only 19 yrs old still.

This will be a huge bonus to the team if he can hold a key spot in our back 6 in 2011!

Your club is going backwards at a fast pace if he becomes a key back. He is in his mid twenties and surely if he was any good at the position he would have been placed in it not only in a match but at training?

Just worry about your own backyard down at choke land! Giving an experienced 194cm mature bodied bloke a chance to play a role for us in a position we lack is hardly evidence of the club going backwards.

 

[JustKickIt]

Trent Croad Height and weight 192cm / 92kg

He looked a lot more than 92kg

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

No, No, No and No.

We seem to get this question about every 3 weeks about anyone with some size about them, but there's much more to being a KP back than pure size.
Skipper doesn't have the pace, and I'd argue he doesn't have the defensive nature either.
Sure you could put him back into the defensive arc and make him accountable to a player, but he's not going to outlast or outpoint a Reiwoldt, Brown, Cloke etc.

He's a small/mobile Ruck, who took his second chance at a club that desperately needed another ruckman, and that's about it.

 

[Pessimistic]

We are probably going to have another season of fit for purpose defenders.

How that fits tin with having a stable back 6 or 7 I dont know

 

[Bingle_21]

With Hale coming in and Skipper most likely returning to Box Hill, and with a number of other Rucks on the list who can ruck at BH I think that he should at least be trialled early on at CHB for Box Hill and see how he goes, and if they can teach him the position.

 

[Atch]

He looked a lot more than 92kg

His correct listed height and weight was 190cm 98kg.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Doesn't have the speed to be a defender. Would get killed off the mark by most of the key forwards.

As a forward, he doesn't have the height to trouble the defenders, given his lack of speed.

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[Pessimistic]

Doesn't have the speed to be a defender. Would get killed off the mark by most of the key forwards.

As a forward, he doesn't have the height to trouble the defenders, given his lack of speed.

//.

Johnny Barker ?

Skip seems a determined type to me. and remember we cant afford superstars to fill every role, neither can our opponents.

"Can ruck a bit" is the thing whch helps skip

 

[gianytee]

Yes and No

Firstly let me say our defense last year of Gilham-Gibson-Stratton-Murphy worked really well together to stop guys like Hall, Riewoldt, Podsiadly, Cloke etc but they have problems with Schulz, White thats when it becomes a YES

Our defense would be worse with Skipper in it against St Kilda or Collingwood as i beleive skipper would be owned by cloke or Dawes and Stratton, Gilham and Gibson can handle the matchup but Schulz and White killed us when all they are is tall and can mark and out bodied our guys thats when Skipper should play ONLY as Skipper could easily stop Jesse White, Schulz.