Opinion Culture at Collingwood

[76woodenspooners]

Family and partners yes but I've never heard of people not having holidays so that they can see their mates/friends play sport, play in an orchestra etc. it would be a very rare thing!!

If we were talking about October / November - then absolutely, that time is totally sacred. Players should relax and enjoy their holiday.

But this isn't the holiday period. This is opportunistic free time that has come about as a consequence of not playing finals.

 

[Mukesh]

I didn't realise my post about Pendlebury going to Europe was going to spark so much interest when I posted it

It's a slow news day friend...

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Caroline Wilson describing the Balme - Allen succession deal as a gigantic bungle, absolutely ripped into Eddie McGuire on Footy Classified. Whilst she is so obviously displaying her customary Collingwood bias, as I hear you say, she did have a fair point to make about the manner in which the club is being run. When she played Eddie's comments on Peter Jackson, I cringed, because his tone and manner did carry a vindictive, over the top affront on the character of Jackson. Eddie represents a side of Collingwood I usually prefer to ignore, the boysy bravado and the fact that you can't take the Broady boy out of a Broady boy. Caroline, by the way, expects Allen to be suspended.

As to all the other rumblings about the players and coach, it's obvious that success will only come when Buckley has whittled the playing group down to his trusted, true believers. There is always some story floating around about players relationships with the coach - Elliott has been recently mentioned in this regard. I don't know whether the rumours or accounts are the figment of some Buckley-haters mad imagination or something gleaned casually by a supporter from a source within the club. But I have believed for some time that something is amiss at the club, and so far nothing has been stated by the OP that is implausible. I don't want Malthouse back, but I certainly prefer the culture that seemed to exist when he was at the helm. Everyone seemed happy. They don't seem so happy now.

 

[doppleganger]

I don't want Malthouse back, but I certainly prefer the culture that seemed to exist when he was at the helm. Everyone seemed happy. They don't seem so happy now.

You must have a short memory.

Under MM we had Didak out joy riding with criminals.
H.Shaw lying and making an absolute fool out of the captain in Sir Scott, resulting in Didak and H.Shaw being suspended from the 08 finals.
R.Shaw being pushed out of the club, only to blossom in Sydney
Had Tarrant n traded after seasons of injury and off-field antics
S.Rocca many a 90s kids favourite was dumped, not even traded....only for us to bring in an injured dud like Cummings, whilst Sav played for another 100 odd games at North
B.Holland was out fighting scrags
Numerous stories of Taz, Johno, Swan, Dids getting into trouble in the wee hours of the morning
Tarrant n Leon 'walking out on the club' basically each pre-season.

Nobody really cared though, because we won games of footy

If we start winning games do you think people will really care that not all senior players went to a mad Monday, and that Pendles didn't attend a VFL prelim (noting that Pendles actually goes to most VFL games during the season).

Winning fixes everything.

 

[ant22]

As the Op- I would like to point out the original post was on another thread and I never indented to start a whole topic about this. I have in the past always been very reluctant to pass on any info ive heard. Firstly, because unless its good news you tend to be torn apart pretty quickly on this board and secondly I don't get a great deal of joy in bagging the club. I tend to be a glass is half full kind of person.

I was simply responding to other posters who seems to believe everything was Micky Mouse.

Below is a bit of a summary about how I feel about the club at the moment. Please appreciate these are just my opinions based on some of the things I have heard and observed.

I appreciate that in football clubs there are going to be players who are unhappy, in particular those in the 2s. However Im still not convinced Bucks has the locker room like he says he has.

The person(s) who passed on the info are neither bitter nor disillusioned. In isolation I dont think there is anything I put out there that is scandalous however in my opinion it simply shows we have a fair way to go if we are going to be mixing it with the big boys. There is other stuff I have been told that I believe to be true that validates my beliefs but I wont be sharing on here.

My concerns(and these are simply my opinion)based on bits and pieces ive heard are that Buckley is not a great people person. He is very intelligent and articulate and is great with players who have the same level of professionalism and drive that he has but also struggles to build relationships with those who are quite different than he is. This is both with players and coaches. I kind of feel like Bucks may have an unrealistic expectation that he can get a list of 40 blokes who have the same drive and professionalism that he has. I think this is a bit of a pipe dream.

Im concerned Eddie has been reluctant to hold bucks as accountable as he should because he orchestrated the coaching scenario and we all know Eddie hates to be proven wrong- This is just and opinion of mine not something ive heard.

The development coaches in the VFL , in particular Rocca and Lockyer are not respected by the young players in the VFL. I suspect the VFL development coaches are not well paid so its probably hard to get good ones but its not working. But I am surprised they have not been moved on.

Just to clarify I am not a Bucks hater, in fact if you go back over the last 4 years on this site ive been an advocate. I just cant ignore what ive been told and hence the views above.

We may start well next year and things might turn around and all of a sudden everyone is happy again.

I guess for the first time in the last few years I have doubts that Bucks is the man to take us forward and I have doubts that Eddie should continue as president despite being incredible of the last 20 years.

Im like everyone else on hear who wants nothing more than to see the club succeed. If that can happen with Bucks and Eddie at the helm then great. If not then I hope the club has the balls to make the necessary changes.

Go Pies

 

[ThePhantom777]

Pls tell us the other stuff

 

[MISFITS]

As the Op- I would like to point out the original post was on another thread and I never indented to start a whole topic about this. I have in the past always been very reluctant to pass on any info ive heard. Firstly, because unless its good news you tend to be torn apart pretty quickly on this board and secondly I don't get a great deal of joy in bagging the club. I tend to be a glass is half full kind of person.

I was simply responding to other posters who seems to believe everything was Micky Mouse.

Below is a bit of a summary about how I feel about the club at the moment. Please appreciate these are just my opinions based on some of the things I have heard and observed.

I appreciate that in football clubs there are going to be players who are unhappy, in particular those in the 2s. However Im still not convinced Bucks has the locker room like he says he has.

The person(s) who passed on the info are neither bitter nor disillusioned. In isolation I dont think there is anything I put out there that is scandalous however in my opinion it simply shows we have a fair way to go if we are going to be mixing it with the big boys. There is other stuff I have been told that I believe to be true that validates my beliefs but I wont be sharing on here.

My concerns(and these are simply my opinion)based on bits and pieces ive heard are that Buckley is not a great people person. He is very intelligent and articulate and is great with players who have the same level of professionalism and drive that he has but also struggles to build relationships with those who are quite different than he is. This is both with players and coaches. I kind of feel like Bucks may have an unrealistic expectation that he can get a list of 40 blokes who have the same drive and professionalism that he has. I think this is a bit of a pipe dream.

Im concerned Eddie has been reluctant to hold bucks as accountable as he should because he orchestrated the coaching scenario and we all know Eddie hates to be proven wrong- This is just and opinion of mine not something ive heard.

The development coaches in the VFL , in particular Rocca and Lockyer are not respected by the young players in the VFL. I suspect the VFL development coaches are not well paid so its probably hard to get good ones but its not working. But I am surprised they have not been moved on.

Just to clarify I am not a Bucks hater, in fact if you go back over the last 4 years on this site ive been an advocate. I just cant ignore what ive been told and hence the views above.

We may start well next year and things might turn around and all of a sudden everyone is happy again.

I guess for the first time in the last few years I have doubts that Bucks is the man to take us forward and I have doubts that Eddie should continue as president despite being incredible of the last 20 years.

Im like everyone else on hear who wants nothing more than to see the club succeed. If that can happen with Bucks and Eddie at the helm then great. If not then I hope the club has the balls to make the necessary changes.

Go Pies

Brilliantly said

 

[Saintly Viewed]

If we were talking about October / November - then absolutely, that time is totally sacred. Players should relax and enjoy their holiday.

But this isn't the holiday period. This is opportunistic free time that has come about as a consequence of not playing finals.

Regardless I'd prefer a fresh player fully relaxed getting whatever advantage extra time might give for a full on assault of 2017

 

[Hardas]

As the Op- I would like to point out the original post was on another thread and I never indented to start a whole topic about this. I have in the past always been very reluctant to pass on any info ive heard. Firstly, because unless its good news you tend to be torn apart pretty quickly on this board and secondly I don't get a great deal of joy in bagging the club. I tend to be a glass is half full kind of person.

I was simply responding to other posters who seems to believe everything was Micky Mouse.

Below is a bit of a summary about how I feel about the club at the moment. Please appreciate these are just my opinions based on some of the things I have heard and observed.

I appreciate that in football clubs there are going to be players who are unhappy, in particular those in the 2s. However Im still not convinced Bucks has the locker room like he says he has.

The person(s) who passed on the info are neither bitter nor disillusioned. In isolation I dont think there is anything I put out there that is scandalous however in my opinion it simply shows we have a fair way to go if we are going to be mixing it with the big boys. There is other stuff I have been told that I believe to be true that validates my beliefs but I wont be sharing on here.

My concerns(and these are simply my opinion)based on bits and pieces ive heard are that Buckley is not a great people person. He is very intelligent and articulate and is great with players who have the same level of professionalism and drive that he has but also struggles to build relationships with those who are quite different than he is. This is both with players and coaches. I kind of feel like Bucks may have an unrealistic expectation that he can get a list of 40 blokes who have the same drive and professionalism that he has. I think this is a bit of a pipe dream.

Im concerned Eddie has been reluctant to hold bucks as accountable as he should because he orchestrated the coaching scenario and we all know Eddie hates to be proven wrong- This is just and opinion of mine not something ive heard.

The development coaches in the VFL , in particular Rocca and Lockyer are not respected by the young players in the VFL. I suspect the VFL development coaches are not well paid so its probably hard to get good ones but its not working. But I am surprised they have not been moved on.

Just to clarify I am not a Bucks hater, in fact if you go back over the last 4 years on this site ive been an advocate. I just cant ignore what ive been told and hence the views above.

We may start well next year and things might turn around and all of a sudden everyone is happy again.

I guess for the first time in the last few years I have doubts that Bucks is the man to take us forward and I have doubts that Eddie should continue as president despite being incredible of the last 20 years.

Im like everyone else on hear who wants nothing more than to see the club succeed. If that can happen with Bucks and Eddie at the helm then great. If not then I hope the club has the balls to make the necessary changes.

Go Pies

Thanks for that, ant22.
Food for thought.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

You must have a short memory.

Under MM we had Didak out joy riding with criminals.
H.Shaw lying and making an absolute fool out of the captain in Sir Scott, resulting in Didak and H.Shaw being suspended from the 08 finals.
R.Shaw being pushed out of the club, only to blossom in Sydney
Had Tarrant n traded after seasons of injury and off-field antics
S.Rocca many a 90s kids favourite was dumped, not even traded....only for us to bring in an injured dud like Cummings, whilst Sav played for another 100 odd games at North
B.Holland was out fighting scrags
Numerous stories of Taz, Johno, Swan, Dids getting into trouble in the wee hours of the morning
Tarrant n Leon 'walking out on the club' basically each pre-season.

Nobody really cared though, because we won games of footy

If we start winning games do you think people will really care that not all senior players went to a mad Monday, and that Pendles didn't attend a VFL prelim (noting that Pendles actually goes to most VFL games during the season).

Winning fixes everything.

On this you are right.
Win games, win finals, win flags it will be considered a joyous place full of "great" culture.
Exhibit hawthorn: they win flags lauded as great culture. If they weren't winning games you'd hear this:
Captain drink driving is a disgrace stories
Terrible club when players accused of mistreatment of a woman...

Just saying it's funny how thngs are interpreted if they are winning or losing.
But that's life in general.

 

[CFC2010]

As the Op- I would like to point out the original post was on another thread and I never indented to start a whole topic about this. I have in the past always been very reluctant to pass on any info ive heard. Firstly, because unless its good news you tend to be torn apart pretty quickly on this board and secondly I don't get a great deal of joy in bagging the club. I tend to be a glass is half full kind of person.

Go Pies

The bolded part is 100% spot on.

By the way ant22 not everyone has their head in the sand when it comes to our Club.

Great post

 

[Saintly Viewed]

ant22 you have given us food for thought which is good.
I wonder sometimes if a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Pre bigfooty I really didn't know if the club was happy or not.
I didn't know this rumour or that rumour. Just had a general view like any supporter.
And this is not withstanding knowing a person there or there connected to the club.
Now with the blessing of the Internet, we get all sorts of tid bits of information.
Sometimes it's all a bit too much, is ignorance bliss?

Having said that, as a half glass full person myself, I'm quite positive if we start winning well, a lot of the angst will Disappear. That's what winning does to clubs.

Also I look at our list and I always think how much elite is there? We have obviously Scott, Adam, with the looking like potential elite in Grundy, De Goey, Moore and I'm hopeful to go to Reid level is Scharenberg. Plus Maynard.
We have Steele, Varcoe so there's talent to work with.

Maybe sooner than we think, the place will,become happy again.
Its all about build g and building for success.

Now to Nathan? One thing I've noticed on bigfooty is the analysis to death of Nathan's personality.
I doubt any coach on earth has all the skills and attributes Nathan should have according to this website. That's not a criticism but just a point about Nathan having to be some sort of perfect human being. Won't happen.
He is who he is.
Not sure the brilliant Leigh Matthews was wonderfully "humane"
I don't know Clarkson, but the best current coach (by a lot), but he doesn't come across as sweet gentle guy. Quite the opposite.
Even Malthouse, for all the talk of his team, his boys, was no loving gently person. Was as ruthless as could feel when suited.

So if Collingwood starts being finals bound and does well, Nathan will be seen as a good coach, just goes with the territory. I'd prefer to let his "human qualities" and personality to the couch psychiatrists and Mrs Buckley.

Ps I don't care in the slightest he was a great of the club, meh. Who cares.
Just to me he comes across as being in charge, strong, able, works hard, prepares, makes decisions, has a plan, builds a list etc etc etc.

Let's hope it works out, if not, so be it, we can look at the next person and start chopping them up....
All part of it.

 

[Maggie5]

Does anyone think that the issues raised are exclusive to Collingwood?

I wonder if at the end of delistings and trades, there may be a few clubs with players that are not happy.

With Collingwood almost everything is news whether there is truth or speculation.

Sadly almost every instance either Eddie, Pert or Bucks seems to be the problem, never the player. Eddie in particular seems to have a finger in every pie.

Caro is right in reference to the appointment of Allen as I doubt anyone believed what role he would take.

Really hard work staying loyal and supporting Colligwood at the moment.

 

[CFC2010]

Does anyone think that the issues raised are exclusive to Collingwood?

Caro is right in reference to the appointment of Allen as I doubt anyone believed what role he would take.
Really hard work staying loyal and supporting Colligwood at the moment.

 

[Maggie5]

 

[Hardas]

Does anyone think that the issues raised are exclusive to Collingwood?

I wonder if at the end of delistings and trades, there may be a few clubs with players that are not happy.

With Collingwood almost everything is news whether there is truth or speculation.

Sadly almost every instance either Eddie, Pert or Bucks seems to be the problem, never the player. Eddie in particular seems to have a finger in every pie.

Caro is right in reference to the appointment of Allen as I doubt anyone believed what role he would take.

Really hard work staying loyal and supporting Colligwood at the moment.

My interpretation of the initial Allen appointment's circumstances was that they didn't want his arrival to count against the footy club spending budget then.
Clumsy but effective.
Caro can please herself, to put it politely.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Regardless I'd prefer a fresh player fully relaxed getting whatever advantage extra time might give for a full on assault of 2017

but he's not just any player. he's the captain of the club.

I find it disappointing he couldn't wait a few more weeks to get away. but thats just me.

 

[CFC2010]

Caro is NEVER right in my eyes Maggie5 especially about Gubby.

We live in the real world Maggie5 not Caro's fantasy world.........Balme didn't perform that is why he is at Richmond everything else from her re Gubby is a figment of her imagination.

She has an axe to grind with Collingwood always has, always will.

 

[Maggie5]

My interpretation of the initial Allen appointment's circumstances was that they didn't want his arrival to count against the footy club spending budget then.
Clumsy but effective.
Caro can please herself, to put it politely.

But it is now and that is why I don't understand the subterfuge?
Agree with Caro, she seems intent on sinking the boots in but we certainly don't help and give her and other journalists lots to work with.

 

[ant22]

Does anyone think that the issues raised are exclusive to Collingwood?

I wonder if at the end of delistings and trades, there may be a few clubs with players that are not happy.

With Collingwood almost everything is news whether there is truth or speculation.

Sadly almost every instance either Eddie, Pert or Bucks seems to be the problem, never the player. Eddie in particular seems to have a finger in every pie.

Caro is right in reference to the appointment of Allen as I doubt anyone believed what role he would take.

Really hard work staying loyal and supporting Colligwood at the moment.

There would be clubs with worse problems especially in the sunny state and there would be clubs with less problems.

One thing I absolutely concede is managing and organisation full of egos with the main show being made up of 18 to 32 year males from all different backgrounds and walks of life would be extremely difficult. It takes and outstanding leader and a special person to be able to manage them.

My old boss was in charge of over 1000 staff and a business turning over 100 mil a year. She still said that working at an AFL club was harder(she worked at the dogs)

The club themselves pride themselves on being the number sporting organisation in the land so as supporters I think it is reasonable that we have high expectations in return.

 

[Maggie5]

Caro is NEVER right in my eyes Maggie5 especially about Gubby.

We live in the real world Maggie5 not Caro's fantasy world.........Balme didn't perform that is why he is at Richmond everything else from her re Gubby is a figment of her imagination.

She has an axe to grind with Collingwood always has, always will.

Interesting and I don't disagree (as do a few other journalists) but that was NOT the main point of my post.
Still doesn't help when the club appointed Allen, they didn't really fool anyone.
But again, I can only think of Swans, GWS, Hawks, Saints, Adelaide, Carlton as the only clubs that on the surface, don't appear to have issues. Although if the Hawks move on a player like Bruest, things may change.

 

[Maggie5]

There would be clubs with worse problems especially in the sunny state and there would be clubs with less problems.

One thing I absolutely concede is managing and organisation full of egos with the main show being made up of 18 to 32 year males from all different backgrounds and walks of life would be extremely difficult. It takes and outstanding leader and a special person to be able to manage them.

My old boss was in charge of over 1000 staff and a business turning over 100 mil a year. She still said that working at an AFL club was harder(she worked at the dogs)

The club themselves pride themselves on being the number sporting organisation in the land so as supporters I think it is reasonable that we have high expectations in return.

Just to clarify, wasn't having a go at you, I can see where you are coming from.

Think it may be time for a change at the top and Buckley can succeed or die by his own sword in 2017 without any perceived/real protection.
Maybe we need someone like her running the club.

As I said, hard work at the moment with rumours of trading in players at the end of their careers on high salaries and long (IMO) contracts.

Be nice if the club came out and made a statement as to our recruiting strategy.

Wouldn't surprise me if member numbers were down again if we don't start off well as I think that a number of supporters may wait before re-singing.

Not me of course as I am just a Collingwood tragic.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

***MOD EDIT: OP BROUGHT ACROSS FROM TRADE THREAD***

What If I told you there are young players at that club who feel like they do not know bucks at all. I know Richardson at the saints makes time to sit down with every player on the list once a week during the season. Is this happening at Collingwood and if not, why not?

It's funny, I posted quite a while back that I was given info from someone who used to house the 1st year/interstate players that most of our young players aren't really fans of both Bucks and Pendles. It was around the time we were trading Kennedy out.

No one believed me. Thanks for this post.

 

[No SPIN]

As the Op- I would like to point out the original post was on another thread and I never indented to start a whole topic about this. I have in the past always been very reluctant to pass on any info ive heard. Firstly, because unless its good news you tend to be torn apart pretty quickly on this board and secondly I don't get a great deal of joy in bagging the club. I tend to be a glass is half full kind of person.

I was simply responding to other posters who seems to believe everything was Micky Mouse.

Below is a bit of a summary about how I feel about the club at the moment. Please appreciate these are just my opinions based on some of the things I have heard and observed.

I appreciate that in football clubs there are going to be players who are unhappy, in particular those in the 2s. However Im still not convinced Bucks has the locker room like he says he has.

The person(s) who passed on the info are neither bitter nor disillusioned. In isolation I dont think there is anything I put out there that is scandalous however in my opinion it simply shows we have a fair way to go if we are going to be mixing it with the big boys. There is other stuff I have been told that I believe to be true that validates my beliefs but I wont be sharing on here.

My concerns(and these are simply my opinion)based on bits and pieces ive heard are that Buckley is not a great people person. He is very intelligent and articulate and is great with players who have the same level of professionalism and drive that he has but also struggles to build relationships with those who are quite different than he is. This is both with players and coaches. I kind of feel like Bucks may have an unrealistic expectation that he can get a list of 40 blokes who have the same drive and professionalism that he has. I think this is a bit of a pipe dream.

Im concerned Eddie has been reluctant to hold bucks as accountable as he should because he orchestrated the coaching scenario and we all know Eddie hates to be proven wrong- This is just and opinion of mine not something ive heard.

The development coaches in the VFL , in particular Rocca and Lockyer are not respected by the young players in the VFL. I suspect the VFL development coaches are not well paid so its probably hard to get good ones but its not working. But I am surprised they have not been moved on.

Just to clarify I am not a Bucks hater, in fact if you go back over the last 4 years on this site ive been an advocate. I just cant ignore what ive been told and hence the views above.

We may start well next year and things might turn around and all of a sudden everyone is happy again.

I guess for the first time in the last few years I have doubts that Bucks is the man to take us forward and I have doubts that Eddie should continue as president despite being incredible of the last 20 years.

Im like everyone else on hear who wants nothing more than to see the club succeed. If that can happen with Bucks and Eddie at the helm then great. If not then I hope the club has the balls to make the necessary changes.

Go Pies

So just to summarise this long post, what you have ACTUALLY heard and NOT your OPINION is:

Buckley has high standards he expects all players to meet, and those that are not meeting them don't have as good a relationship with him - all coaches have standards, not sure how this is an issue.
So effectively it means if players committ to standards, that's they way to build the relationship with Bucks. Doesn't the same would apply to every coach and player relationship at every club?

I would be more concerned if Bucks had a poor relationship with ALL players including those that were doing the right thing.

Lockyer and Rocca are not respected by young player - what does this actually mean?
How serious is the problem, given how well the VFL team performed?

 

[CFC2010]

Interesting and I don't disagree (as do a few other journalists) but that was NOT the main point of my post.
Still doesn't help when the club appointed Allen, they didn't really fool anyone.
But again, I can only think of Swans, GWS, Hawks, Saints, Adelaide, Carlton as the only clubs that on the surface, don't appear to have issues. Although if the Hawks move on a player like Bruest, things may change.

Maggie did you read her article the other day about Balme?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ruggling-richmond-tigers-20160916-gribff.html

After I read the heading I thought this is going to be all about how "brilliant a move" it was for the Tigers.
Most of the article was bagging our Club. Surprise.........surprise.

To her credit she did mention the Tigers in the last three paragraphs