News Cyril and Shannyn Rioli speak to Caro - link to club statement in page 8

[Hawthorn23]

Some further developments to the story in the video below:

Mod edit: it’s a must watch for anyone reading this thread.

 

[hawker11]

Stop shooting the messenger and read the article.


What Hodge has said today is very good. He’s provided some clarity and at least given some reasons for how the incident in 2013 was handled.

There’s work to do, without a doubt, but it wouldn’t have taken much effort to check in with the club captain at the time and verify if he was aware of this event - his reputation was not valued and this knowledge takes the focus off where it should be. Very poor form from Caro - she knows better..

 

[Dipper]

Do people really see a major difference between the Rioli's account and the Hodge account?

Yes.

They're clearly very different accounts actually and only an act of egregious spin would see anyone trying to make a case that there isn't a huge difference between them.



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[Randall Stevens]

It becomes a distraction: we’re now talking about who said/knew what, and focussed on details, instead of the big picture and main message.

The message is still there, but it gets blurred by any factual errors. I wish she’d been more diligent, so we could focus on fixing shit, not debating details

Spot on. Wilson's 'errors' - or much more likely deliberate omission and manipulation of facts which don't suit her narrative - do not change the main message that HFC as a club has important cultural issues to address.

A world free of racism would be a nightmare result for not only the football media but the broader general media - race based stories always attract viewers / listeners / readers. The overwhelming majority of coverage of racial issues is much more about fanning the flames to keep the story hot than wanting solutions.

As a Club and as a caring employer HFC needs to focus on doing everything possible to be a happy environment for all our players, staff and supporters. And of course, repairing the relationship with Cyril should be a priority. These goals can only be achieved by our own actions - being distracted by media manipulation will not help, and is only likely to be counter productive,

 

[Randall Stevens]

With all the cut backs due to the pandemic you can understand clubs making indigenous welfare officers only 1 or so days a week. It doesn't make it right I can understand if this has been done but hopefully things can get back to normal in these areas of concern sooner rather than later.

I believe that the AFL has mandated that all Clubs employ a full-time indigenous welfare office from this year on. I'm not sure whether that means welfare officers need to be in place now or by the end of the year, and can't find a HFC staff list to check.

 

[H00t]

Yes.

They're clearly very different accounts actually and only an act of egregious spin would see anyone trying to make a case that there isn't a huge difference between them.



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Neither contradicts each other’s viewpoint.

Rioli found out about the player being upset and what was said. Aired his grievances with some senior players who appears to have told him to ignore it and it wasn’t worth worrying about.

This is backed up by Hodge not even knowing about the incident until the story broke.

Hodge mentioned one senior player organising an apology between the offender and victim where an apology was accepted.

Just because an apology was accepted doesn’t mean the player wasn’t hurt by such comments and we don’t know if Rioli spoke to the player before or after the apology.

In my books it’s concerning that an act of racism occurred yet few people seem to know about it and there appears to be attempts to keep it from moving up the chain. Covering up racism never looks good.

 

[Brishawk]

So Jeff made the comments about the Jeans but Caro has alluded to many comments including comments from coach’s at that time when Jeff was not involved in the club.

The article where she has stated came from coach’s saying “look at all the black fellas sitting together is one where the club should be looking into more than anything.

Educating players on end of season trips is one thing but this comment from Caro about coach’s employed by the club to manage young people is concerning if true.

Fox, Newbold and now Hodge have said they knew nothing about a racist comment made on an end of season trip. Hodge said he knows who made the comment and has spoken to all parties who have said an apology was made at the time and are all good mates.

Caro has also now made a remark about not having her story 100% correct .

I will speak for myself on the Goodes situation. I booed him because of the way he slid in with his studs up and could of ended the career of Gibbo. I continued to boo because I didn’t like the way he kept throwing his arms out trying to play for free kicks. I have done the same to Selwood and others including umpires at times .

Perhaps the AFL will think about all of this and not allow any booing at the footy to protect all players and umpires moving forward .

You are missing the point. The rioli’s are describing a club that couldn’t improve because it didn’t understand how isolated incidents aggregate into an unsafe club. Debating how bad and who distracts from the systemic failure that saw Rioli leave. It isn’t the lack of action on the 2013 incident it is the lack of understanding of what that incident means in terms of the whole.

 

[Brishawk]

Yes.

They're clearly very different accounts actually and only an act of egregious spin would see anyone trying to make a case that there isn't a huge difference between them.



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What do you think are the important differences?

 

[mcnulty]

I am surprised Caro didn't think to check with Hodge or Clarkson originally at the time of the article to confirm if everything was correct

I’m not.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

So has Caro actually apologised publically to Luke about the facts that she always claims to stand by, were not actually facts. Pretty poor really and quite unethical

 

[Lickmesocks]

You are missing the point. The rioli’s are describing a club that couldn’t improve because it didn’t understand how isolated incidents aggregate into an unsafe club. Debating how bad and who distracts from the systemic failure that saw Rioli leave. It isn’t the lack of action on the 2013 incident it is the lack of understanding of what that incident means in terms of the whole.

I would like to hear from Shaun Burgoyne and what he witnessed and heard at his time at the club. If things were being covered up or we were consistently poor let’s hear them.

At the moment we have Jeff’s silly comment about ripped jeans which we have known about for 5 years and a racist comment made on an end of season trip which have been confirmed.

Is there more as Caro is implying and she is waiting for the club to come forward?

 

[Brishawk]

I would like to hear from Shaun Burgoyne and what he witnessed and heard at his time at the club. If things were being covered up or we were consistently poor let’s hear them.

At the moment we have Jeff’s silly comment about ripped jeans which we have known about for 5 years and a racist comment made on an end of season trip which have been confirmed.

Is there more as Caro is implying and she is waiting for the club to come forward?

You missed a few issues there…

I’m not sure why you are talking about Caro when Rioli actually quit the club and this is largely just an interview with the two people that forms the basis of the article. It is their story. Are you suggesting Rioli quite the club for no reason?

 

[hamohawk1]

Hodgey's statements and handling of the situation has been 100 x better than the club's. No matter the facts, or whats been cleared up since the quasi statements from the club and CEO have been nothing sort of s*ithouse. Do we not have a PR team or did that get cleaned out as part of the Covid cuts.

 

[TylerDurden]

Don't like how Caro is linking in the Goodes booing scenario solely with us. Really irks me.

 

[flinchfree]

Stop shooting the messenger and read the article.


What Hodge has said today is very good. He’s provided some clarity and at least given some reasons for how the incident in 2013 was handled.

I reckon the 'messenger' has done an awful job in telling an important story.
Clearly she never spoke to the other players involved to get an accurate portrayal of what happened.

IMO it's a complete hatchet job.
Player A said something incredibly hurtful and ignorant, he was brought together with Player B who was wronged by those words, apologized, had the apology accepted, and they then continued their friendship post that time.

While Cyril has every right to see the moment as an example of the distances still required in our society to treat all people with respect, he presented one side of the story and wasn't even the wronged party, in fact the third party.

Caro couldn't give a crap about the way the Club and players handled the moment or she would have delved deeper to determine the circumstances, instead caring only that it had happened and continues to sting Cyril deeply and makes headline news for her swanning.
What she's followed up with since are long winded moments on television saying Hawthorn as a Club failed the moment, again without an ounce of journalistic intent to show the full story.

IMO the Club met the moment head on and Player A was confronted with the unnassailable fact his behaviour and language was unnaceptable to the Club and he needed to face up to his responsiblity to Player B to recognize that fact..

Again, I accept Cyril & Shannyn found that moment and others in their time with Hawthorn deeply hurtful.
I just don't believe the story was fairly portrayed by Wilson.

 

[derp de derp]

The club has announced a formal review, looks like Jeff is digging in.

Great times ahead.


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[The hands of stone]

I think some people are focussing too much on the 'incidents' in general and how they were reported .

The pressing matter is how the Rioli's feel about the club and their time at the club. Its not glowing , a club legend and his wife dont feel comfortable or want to be part of the club currently .

Thats the result we currently have and it needs urgent fixing .

 

[flinchfree]

I think some people are focussing too much on the 'incidents' in general and how they were reported .

The pressing matter is how the Rioli's feel about the club and their time at the club. Its not glowing , a club legend and his wife dont feel comfortable or want to be part of the club currently .

Thats the result we currently have and it needs urgent fixing .

So the incidents AREN'T important?
Rubbish. If the incidents are not as reported then it is fair to question whether a player has been reasonable in their assertions of being wronged.
That doesn't mean they don't have a right to feel as they do, but it certainly should inform what steps the Club needs to and is responsible for in taking to make sure incidents do not repeat themselves.

 

[flinchfree]

You missed a few issues there…

I’m not sure why you are talking about Caro when Rioli actually quit the club and this is largely just an interview with the two people that forms the basis of the article. It is their story. Are you suggesting Rioli quite the club for no reason?

The more I reflect on this story, the more my impression is that the Goodes incident played the most violating attack on Cyril's desire to continue playing football for the Hawthorn Football Club.
I reckon he was offended not just for Adam by the booing, but with a generalized impression that Australians could get away with voicing racist attitudes through the deniability of sporting spectator behavior, and that he felt the hurt as deeply for himself as did Adam.
He likely stood looking at the moment and realized that regardless of what his people could do to make people happy on a sporting field, their love and respect was barely skin deep.

The fact Hawthorn supporters partook in the demonization of Adam Goodes, and that it took on an even greater and more painful incarnation with every game after and every supporter group later, would have pained him enormously. And then the Club did nothing to make sincere effort to curtail that hating behavior echoing on in Goodes last season.

IMO, and YES it's my opinon, the other 'events' that gave proof to his experience while at Hawthorn were merely reminders of this imperfect world and life he was sharing with the greater white society, and easy to reach for as a reason to leave.

 

[Lickmesocks]

So has Caro actually apologised publically to Luke about the facts that she always claims to stand by, were not actually facts. Pretty poor really and quite unethical

You missed a few issues there…

I’m not sure why you are talking about Caro when Rioli actually quit the club and this is largely just an interview with the two people that forms the basis of the article. It is their story. Are you suggesting Rioli quite the club for no reason?

I am missing NOTHING and aware of a few more things around the time Cyril retired/ quit football .

Caros articles are full of “maybes” and now apologies for getting facts incorrect .

As I said recently this board has gone nuts based on one side of a story and I would suggest for people to hold fire.

Rioli as a player was cooked. Mentally and physically . Cyril’s last few years were very average . He was either injured or dealing with private issues and was granted leave from the club numerous times while supported by the club more than we know.

Cyril retired/ quit from the club and had a huge send off arranged by the club.

I hope he can get his mental health sorted and get back to the club smiling again.

IF any key people as Caro and Cyrils partner have suggested turned a blind eye to racism or didn’t educate then let’s hear from them .

 

[Steven Tyler]

Dear Hawkers, Well, we are clearly seeing glimpses of what the future holds for our club. Last week’s game against Carlton was a great one. Sadly, we did not get over the line and collect the four points, but we lost nothing else. In fact, the way the team came back after a difficult first quarter was fantastic to watch. We won three quarters but lost the first comprehensively. That said, the team never gave up, they tackled hard and moved the ball at great speed. We are now 2-1 from the first three games, having lost the last by a point. Our investment in players and style of play continues, but it has been an exciting start to the year. We now move on to the game against St Kilda on Sunday at the MCG where I hope to see as many of you as possible. Let me address the report published in The Age newspaper on Saturday concerning Cyril Rioli and his wife Shannyn. We were all saddened by the story that there have been incidents that have upset both of them. We have taken those claims seriously and are conducting further inquiries to see if there might have been other incidents affecting our past First Nations players. Once those inquires have concluded, we will determine if any other action needs to be taken. I can assure you that the Board and the administration will not shirk our responsibility to work through these matters. Some will demand immediate answers and actions, but, given how important these matters are, the best response is a measured and responsible one. We will firstly seek to establish the facts, before working through the best way of responding to the matters that require addressing. Matters have been brought to our attention. We are taking them seriously, and any failings will be addressed. Can I finally say on this matter: we all want Cyril back with us at Hawthorn. I hope that we can work through the hurt he feels and make him feel welcome and safe in the brown and gold family again. Go Hawks.

 

[Brishawk]

I reckon the 'messenger' has done an awful job in telling an important story.
Clearly she never spoke to the other players involved to get an accurate portrayal of what happened.

IMO it's a complete hatchet job.
Player A said something incredibly hurtful and ignorant, he was brought together with Player B who was wronged by those words, apologized, had the apology accepted, and they then continued their friendship post that time.

While Cyril has every right to see the moment as an example of the distances still required in our society to treat all people with respect, he presented one side of the story and wasn't even the wronged party, in fact the third party.

Caro couldn't give a crap about the way the Club and players handled the moment or she would have delved deeper to determine the circumstances, instead caring only that it had happened and continues to sting Cyril deeply and makes headline news for her swanning.
What she's followed up with since are long winded moments on television saying Hawthorn as a Club failed the moment, again without an ounce of journalistic intent to show the full story.

IMO the Club met the moment head on and Player A was confronted with the unnassailable fact his behaviour and language was unnaceptable to the Club and he needed to face up to his responsiblity to Player B to recognize that fact..

Again, I accept Cyril & Shannyn found that moment and others in their time with Hawthorn deeply hurtful.
I just don't believe the story was fairly portrayed by Wilson.

After each incident, what changed at the club?

 

[Brishawk]

I am missing NOTHING and aware of a few more things around the time Cyril retired/ quit football .

Caros articles are full of “maybes” and now apologies for getting facts incorrect .

As I said recently this board has gone nuts based on one side of a story and I would suggest for people to hold fire.

Rioli as a player was cooked. Mentally and physically . Cyril’s last few years were very average . He was either injured or dealing with private issues and was granted leave from the club numerous times while supported by the club more than we know.

Cyril retired/ quit from the club and had a huge send off arranged by the club.

I hope he can get his mental health sorted and get back to the club smiling again.

IF any key people as Caro and Cyrils partner have suggested turned a blind eye to racism or didn’t educate then let’s hear from them .

Right, so no issues at the club, just one Indigenous man’s personal issues?

 

[BlueWaterHawk]

I think some people are focussing too much on the 'incidents' in general and how they were reported .

The pressing matter is how the Rioli's feel about the club and their time at the club. Its not glowing , a club legend and his wife dont feel comfortable or want to be part of the club currently .

Thats the result we currently have and it needs urgent fixing .

True and we all want the right outcome. But you can't get that without correct information. This instance sounds like it was handled to the satisfaction of the parties involved, which is good, what should be investigated is the continuous improvement process. Where there any adjustments, education or improvements made? If not, then your problem is likely above the onfield leadership group.

That's why I get irritated by poor reporting, the court of public opinion can lead to really poor outcomes.




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[Gralin]

Reading this thread is a reminder of how far we are as a society from accepting the realities of racism in this place.

White Australia surfacing again with the interpretations of Hodges words and the finger starting to be pointed at the Rioli's like they don't have a right to say their truths

Anyone bitching about the Hawks and Goodes should probably look in the mirror

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I would like to hear from Shaun Burgoyne and what he witnessed and heard at his time at the club. If things were being covered up or we were consistently poor let’s hear them.

At the moment we have Jeff’s silly comment about ripped jeans which we have known about for 5 years and a racist comment made on an end of season trip which have been confirmed.

Is there more as Caro is implying and she is waiting for the club to come forward?

I reckon the 'messenger' has done an awful job in telling an important story.
Clearly she never spoke to the other players involved to get an accurate portrayal of what happened.

IMO it's a complete hatchet job.
Player A said something incredibly hurtful and ignorant, he was brought together with Player B who was wronged by those words, apologized, had the apology accepted, and they then continued their friendship post that time.

While Cyril has every right to see the moment as an example of the distances still required in our society to treat all people with respect, he presented one side of the story and wasn't even the wronged party, in fact the third party.

Caro couldn't give a crap about the way the Club and players handled the moment or she would have delved deeper to determine the circumstances, instead caring only that it had happened and continues to sting Cyril deeply and makes headline news for her swanning.
What she's followed up with since are long winded moments on television saying Hawthorn as a Club failed the moment, again without an ounce of journalistic intent to show the full story.

IMO the Club met the moment head on and Player A was confronted with the unnassailable fact his behaviour and language was unnaceptable to the Club and he needed to face up to his responsiblity to Player B to recognize that fact..

Again, I accept Cyril & Shannyn found that moment and others in their time with Hawthorn deeply hurtful.
I just don't believe the story was fairly portrayed by Wilson.

I am missing NOTHING and aware of a few more things around the time Cyril retired/ quit football .

Caros articles are full of “maybes” and now apologies for getting facts incorrect .

As I said recently this board has gone nuts based on one side of a story and I would suggest for people to hold fire.

Rioli as a player was cooked. Mentally and physically . Cyril’s last few years were very average . He was either injured or dealing with private issues and was granted leave from the club numerous times while supported by the club more than we know.

Cyril retired/ quit from the club and had a huge send off arranged by the club.

I hope he can get his mental health sorted and get back to the club smiling again.

IF any key people as Caro and Cyrils partner have suggested turned a blind eye to racism or didn’t educate then let’s hear from them .

Both of you need to listen to the clip at the top of each page. Hawthorn did indeed fail it’s indigenous players(most clubs did in this period).

We had our Indigenous players ignored by the club when they were upset by the Goodes booing. They had to be coerced to play the following week.

We had a player called a boong, and the leadership group didn’t even know about it - nor was there any follow up, development or training.

Rioli wants nothing to do with our club on the back of the final straw that was Kennett suggesting his wife needed money to buy proper clothes - which is a racist trope for people of color around the globe. People here continue to say that it’s not actually a racist trope at all, because their grandfather said the same thing to them once.

The lack of awareness and pure ignorance within this thread, to even be across all of what has been published and alleged is alarming to me.