Confirmed Dan Houston - Joins Collingwood as part of 3-way trade with Port and GC

[Jeremias]

For anyone who missed the prior warning:

Take the Carlton v Collingwood shit fight elsewhere.

Infractions will be handed out.

 

[Vindicater]

How indeed?

If you guys get 13 in a deal for Noble then the Suns need to b disbanded.

 

[Pistol Night]

If you guys get 13 in a deal for Noble then the Suns need to b disbanded.

Maybe, just maybe other picks might be involved?

 

[aussierulesrules]

Yes 2 picks in the 20s for Finn Callaghan.

Ouch.

 

[adammania9]

If you guys get 13 in a deal for Noble then the Suns need to b disbanded.

What else should they trade it for?

 

[HFF]

Have you checked the age profile of your list lately? I wouldn't be trading a future 1st if I was Collingwood.

Have you checked the age profile of yours?

 

[carlton_99]

Maybe, just maybe other picks might be involved?

Tom Morris is reporting F1 + Noble for 13 + 23. It is GCS and they have a history with bad deals but that is genuinely awful for them. Means they are essentially paying pick 23 for Noble (even more if Pies finish top 5-6 next year).

 

[Pistol Night]

Have you checked the age profile of yours?

If we take out Pendles we drop by about 9 years

 

[HFF]

So it will be pick 13 + F1 + Richards

Lol how did you get F1 plus 13?
Our F1 is what is being traded in for 13….

 

[Apex36]

So it will be pick 13 + F1 + Richards

Pick 13 is our F1. The deal will probably be something like 13 + Richards + (?), and if it becomes a 3 way with GC maybe we can find a way to get Lukosious to you guys for a bit cheaper.

Either way I’m pretty sure we’ll endeavour to give fair value.

 

[HFF]

Tom Morris is reporting F1 + Noble for 13 + 23. It is GCS and they have a history with bad deals but that is genuinely awful for them. Means they are essentially paying pick 23 for Noble (even more if Pies finish top 5-6 next year).

Lol your offer of a future first and future second is far more attractive then ?

 

[Pistol Night]

Tom Morris is reporting F1 + Noble for 13 + 23. It is GCS and they have a history with bad deals but that is genuinely awful for them. Means they are essentially paying pick 23 for Noble (even more if Pies finish top 5-6 next year).

Yeah i agree Nobes is nowhere near worth that pick alone but a future first could be top 5 if all the other Bigfooty experts are right about how shit we'll be next year.

 

[HFF]

Trade it next year for a really good offer (like Brisbane etc have done in previous years) don't trade it now when you don't know if it will be top 5.

And what if it’s pick 20 next year or so?
Because if they finish top 4 or win the flag that’s what it will evidently become ….

You have a tilt now and you don’t die wondering

 

[carlton_99]

Lol your offer of a future first and future second is far more attractive then ?

Pick 13 for a F1 and F2 is better value for GCS yes

 

[HFF]

Pick 13 for a F1 and F2 is better value for GCS yes

The delusion is incredible
You’re upset I know but time to move on

 

[carlton_99]

The delusion is incredible
You’re upset I know but time to move on

The fact that you think giving up ~23 for Noble is good value is ridiculous.

And no I am not upset about Houston - you can check my previous postings on the topic. Have never been confident it is the right move and would only be interested if we keep a pick in the top 15 of this year's draft.

 

[Apex36]

Pick 13 for a F1 and F2 is better value for GCS yes

Only if they value draft picks more than established players they believe will fit in to their system, which at this point they clearly don’t.

 

[adammania9]

Pick 13 for a F1 and F2 is better value for GCS yes

It's not when there is a player that GC really want involved. They've courted him, offered a good deal and plan to have him in their team. You might not agree with how they value him, but they'll value it above an F2. They need established players to play finals.

 

[HFF]

The fact that you think giving up ~23 for Noble is good value is ridiculous.

And no I am not upset about Houston - you can check my previous postings on the topic. Have never been confident it is the right move and would only be interested if we keep a pick in the top 15 of this year's draft.

Ask your coach what he would prefer
Pick 12 or a ready made AA calibre player to have a tilt next year?

Noble is no different to every other player who is contracted
You generally pay a little overs as is the norm.
Pick 23 will be pushed out to beyond 25 when it’s all done on draft night anyway

You are over valuing the value of these picks as if they’re rolled gold when in reality they are a fools gold lottery.

 

[carlton_99]

Only if they value draft picks more than established players they believe will fit in to their system, which at this point they clearly don’t.

GCS could still get Noble in without involving him in this deal.

 

[carlton_99]

Ask your coach what he would prefer
Pick 12 or a ready made AA calibre player to have a tilt next year?

Of course a coach would prefer an established player - that's why every club has a list management team. Their role is to make sure the list remains balanced role wise, the salary cap is kept in check and age doesn't become a concern. It's not as simple as Houston vs draftee.

 

[carlton_99]

It's not when there is a player that GC really want involved. They've courted him, offered a good deal and plan to have him in their team. You might not agree with how they value him, but they'll value it above an F2. They need established players to play finals.

My point was GCS could get Noble without including him in this deal for 13. Anyway all I'm saying is I think it's a poor deal for GCS if that's what it ends up being. But like I've said it won't be a first for them.

 

[Apex36]

GCS could still get Noble in without involving him in this deal.

If Collingwood have told them them that they’ll only deal Noble in a deal with pick 13 involved (which is allegedly what they’ve done and why GC are negotiating with them on it before other clubs), then no, they couldn’t.
Noble is contracted for two more years and the club have been very upfront that they’ll only trade him if the deal is right.

 

[jackag24]

Lol how did you get F1 plus 13?
Our F1 is what is being traded in for 13….

I thought you were trading Noble and something for 13?

Surely you're not trading Noble and F1 for 13

 

[HFF]

Of course a coach would prefer an established player - that's why every club has a list management team. Their role is to make sure the list remains balanced role wise, the salary cap is kept in check and age doesn't become a concern. It's not as simple as Houston vs draftee.

You need to have some balls at some point otherwise you are wasting the peak years of some players.

There’s no guarantees but you gotta have a crack when it’s your turn to do so.

List manager v coach ..the coach has to have a say somewhere when the team is in a window.
Otherwise sack the coach of you aren’t prepared to back him in.

You can’t be rebuilding perpetually.

 

[HFF]

I thought you were trading Noble and something for 13?

Surely you're not trading Noble and F1 for 13

How are we gonna get a first rounder in without offloading one out?

You’ll be offloading a first rounder of your own for Lukosius in all this once you get 13 in …

So there’s plenty of vested interests at stake