Confirmed Daniel Rioli traded with picks 51, 61, 70 & 76 to GC for picks 6 & 26

[Kane McGoodwin]

Not really your opinion is based on Player / Pick without taking into account other things like How much a particular team / Coach wants a player or what salary contribution is involved or the players contractual circumstances

You just look at player name and have a number in your head and believe it to be the value then add 'IMO' to that.
Brodi Grundy is worth a top 15 pick but was traded for much less due to 'Particular Circumstances"
you fail to except these " Particular Circumstances" in the Rioli valuation

Not long left and we will see if your opinion is correct

So you are now the opinion police in a trade thread...

You realise most of us are posting opinions & usually posters from teams not involved in trade are less biased than those whose teams are involved & heavily invested.

Any ways we will soon find out soon enough whether or not Rioli nets pick 6+ ... which I doubt but who knows how desperate the Suns are.

 

[THE_GUN]

So you are now the opinion police in a trade thread...

You realise most of us are posting opinions & usually posters from teams not involved in trade are less biased than those whose teams are involved & heavily invested.

Any ways we will soon find out soon enough whether or not Rioli nets pick 6+ ... which I doubt but who knows how desperate the Suns are.

Well whilst you are giving 'Opinions'
What is your " Opinion on his value"

lets see how accurate your " Opinion " is as you believe #6 is way too much

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Well whilst you are giving 'Opinions'
What is your " Opinion on his value"

lets see how accurate your " Opinion " is as you believe #6 is way too much

Rioli is worth a mid to late 1st rounder, not top 10 pick imo.

 

[THE_GUN]

Rioli is worth a mid to late 1st rounder, not top 10 pick imo.

Contracted 3 years Rioli mid 1st rounder
Uncontracted 2020 version Saad worth pick #8

cool
lets see how good your valuations are soon

 

[stallon]

Contracted 3 years Rioli mid 1st rounder
Uncontracted 2020 version Saad worth pick #8

cool
lets see how good your valuations are soon

2020 draft was dogshit weak, 2024 draft is pretty good in that 8-16 part of the draft. Not all picks of the same number are equal

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Contracted 3 years Rioli mid 1st rounder
Uncontracted 2020 version Saad worth pick #8

cool
lets see how good your valuations are soon

Top 10 look great in this draft, so imo crazy to trade away unless a gun.

 

[nut]

That was a once off special for the Cats.

This scenario is hardly similar in any way... unless you are giving them a 1st rounder with Rioli lol.

The big difference is the suns are actually getting a player and salary cap relief with Richmond paying a portion of Riolis contract….. at a time when GC needs to reduce its list size from is concessions they got a few years ago…
So that is why Richmond is getting hugely compensated.

Dimma said on AFL360 GC need established players… Rioli is that.

It’s rare for a player wanting to go to GC….
The deal is done… it’ll be pick 6 and more.

 

[Morrell96]

Suns also need points for this year's draft and especially next year's draft. We ain't trading all our picks away for 1 player who is in their late 20s

 

[Jirik13]

The big difference is the suns are actually getting a player and salary cap relief with Richmond paying a portion of Riolis contract….. at a time when GC needs to reduce its list size from is concessions they got a few years ago…
So that is why Richmond is getting hugely compensated.

Dimma said on AFL360 GC need established players… Rioli is that.

It’s rare for a player wanting to go to GC….
The deal is done… it’ll be pick 6 and more.

Man, Suns already reduced cat A numbers and have now 6 senior list spots available (if Luko and Oea leave as expected). Suns also cleaned up already around 1M from cap before counting Luko 1M salary and 2M TPP increase. Talk about not knowing facts and speculating to fit your narrative.

I actually think Tigers will be quite keen to pay some parts of salaries in trades considering salaries of retired players, players leaving, 2M TPP increase. My uneducated guess would be min 5M to fill in.

 

[nut]

Man, Suns already reduced cat A numbers and have now 6 senior list spots available (if Luko and Oea leave as expected). Suns also cleaned up already around 1M from cap before counting Luko 1M salary and 2M TPP increase. Talk about not knowing facts and speculating to fit your narrative.

I actually think Tigers will be quite keen to pay some parts of salaries in trades considering salaries of retired players, players leaving, 2M TPP increase. My uneducated guess would be min 5M to fill in.

You’ve committed to Noble,Rioli and Lombard ….
That leaves 3 picks..
We will sweeten the deal with some second and third rounders which you can use to trade for future picks.

 

[nut]

I actually think Tigers will be quite keen to pay some parts of salaries in trades considering salaries of retired players, players leaving, 2M TPP increase. My uneducated guess would be min 5M to fill in.

Yes … essentially it will be salary cap for picks including Rioli.

 

[lommy]

Lotta yapping in this thread

Can’t wait till trade period is over


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[tiger_tough]

I see the neutrals are still upset were going to get pick 6+ off the Suns....

 

[Bestbird]

I see the neutrals are still upset were going to get pick 6+ off the Suns....

I think the average neutral is more perplexed and bewilded as to why from a Gold Coast perspective as it is clearly overs

A bit like their Weller trade which didn't end well.

Kudos to Richmond though if they get it

 

[tiger_tough]

I think the average neutral is more perplexed and bewilded as to why from a Gold Coast perspective as it is clearly overs

A bit like their Weller trade which didn't end well.

Kudos to Richmond though if they get it

They didn't have the academy back then producing gun after gun and they also weren't contending for finals. Quite different to the Weller trade era.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

They didn't have the academy back then producing gun after gun and they also weren't contending for finals. Quite different to the Weller trade era.

Makes it more perplexing as opposed to less in that sense

More I look at next years draft, I’m realising this move just doesn’t make any sense. Pick 12,20 gotta go for future picks even with Lukosius on the way out for a future pick

John Noble is a good pickup. Rioli just too expensive it seems. May be best to look for a cheapie elsewhere

 

[Coach_Required]

If you look at the truly top clubs like Geelong and Sydney etc the senior coach is asked their opinion on the type of players they need and then the recruiting staff are given the power to make the calls and do or not do deals as they see fit. The coaches stay in their lane and don't try to make 'captains picks'. Now there's an argument that it's easier for those 2 coaches to stay on the sidelines as they had the most experienced footy dept staff they could trust to get it right (guys like wells and dalrymple and Harley and beats on etc). But it still shows that clubs do best when recruitment and trades are left to the experts and the coaches have very little say in the actual transaction.

Yep you're right, it was totally Richmond who decided to trade Taranto and Hopper to the club, Hardwick had no say in it at all.

 

[THE_GUN]

2020 draft was dogshit weak, 2024 draft is pretty good in that 8-16 part of the draft. Not all picks of the same number are equal

In hindsight but at the time every draft is a super draft
this could be no different in 4 years time

 

[Iva Bigun]

You're welcome. No need to thank me

Just saying what Cochrane mentioned several times publicly. All major trade decisions (like Weller, Martin in the past) go to board that makes final decision. You can ask Evans next time when you talk to him.

I don’t think anyone at the time or even in hindsight think the Weller or Bowes trades were smart, if the board signed off then yes I think they are idiots

Weller for pick 2 when he was uncontracted the next year

Bowes and pick 7 to fix up a mess of the clubs own making ( he shouldn’t of been on anything like 800k)

2MP for a pick we didn’t use

Hollands for a minor pick upgrade

Pick 6 for Rioli, a HBF that is at the end of his peak

All of these are just dumb, if you don’t agree that’s fine, you are entitled to your opinion, i wouldn’t be arrogant enough to assume I could correct it

 

[THE_GUN]

I don’t think anyone at the time or even in hindsight think the Weller or Bowes trades were smart, if the board signed off then yes I think they are idiots

Weller for pick 2 when he was uncontracted the next year

Bowes and pick 7 to fix up a mess of the clubs own making ( he shouldn’t of been on anything like 800k)

2MP for a pick we didn’t use

Hollands for a minor pick upgrade

Pick 6 for Rioli, a HBF that is at the end of his peak

All of these are just dumb, if you don’t agree that’s fine, you are entitled to your opinion, i wouldn’t be arrogant enough to assume I could correct it

In 12 months time Rioli will be your favorite player

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Schulz has let himself down this year but last year 100% he was

Incorrect.

Their seasons last year were pretty similar. Both finished top 6 in their clubs B&F.

Baker averaged 3 more possies, Schultz averaged nearly a goal a game more. Baker way up on intercepts because he was across HB a bit. Disposal eff very similar, Baker edging by about 2% more, and had better contested numbers.

Score involvements were almost the same surprisingly. Baker avg an extra 50mg paer game, again, to be expected.

It all spits out in very even "scores" overall.

From the data available, I can't see how you make the assessment that Schultz was "100%" better. The numbers don't stack up.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

Pick 6 for Rioli, a HBF that is at the end of his peak

He's 27 not 37.

I know part of negotiation is devaluing the item but let's at least pretend to be serious.

 

[Jirik13]

I don’t think anyone at the time or even in hindsight think the Weller or Bowes trades were smart, if the board signed off then yes I think they are idiots

Weller for pick 2 when he was uncontracted the next year

Bowes and pick 7 to fix up a mess of the clubs own making ( he shouldn’t of been on anything like 800k)

2MP for a pick we didn’t use

Hollands for a minor pick upgrade

Pick 6 for Rioli, a HBF that is at the end of his peak

All of these are just dumb, if you don’t agree that’s fine, you are entitled to your opinion, i wouldn’t be arrogant enough to assume I could correct it

I did not say anything about how I view trades you mentioned. All I said is that blaming solely Cameron for trades like Rioli is incorrect as they are decided above him. Cochrane confirmed it with other important trades.

 

[tiger_tough]

Makes it more perplexing as opposed to less in that sense

More I look at next years draft, I’m realising this move just doesn’t make any sense. Pick 12,20 gotta go for future picks even with Lukosius on the way out for a future pick

John Noble is a good pickup. Rioli just too expensive it seems. May be best to look for a cheapie elsewhere

They don't want or need kids. They need culture changers and speed.

 

[Cobbler]

I don’t think anyone at the time or even in hindsight think the Weller or Bowes trades were smart, if the board signed off then yes I think they are idiots

Weller for pick 2 when he was uncontracted the next year

Bowes and pick 7 to fix up a mess of the clubs own making ( he shouldn’t of been on anything like 800k)

2MP for a pick we didn’t use

Hollands for a minor pick upgrade

Pick 6 for Rioli, a HBF that is at the end of his peak

All of these are just dumb, if you don’t agree that’s fine, you are entitled to your opinion, i wouldn’t be arrogant enough to assume I could correct it

Weller was contracted.