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Darren Jolly Trade Thread
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
I'd agree with that but there is a big question mark over whether Carltoon will deal with us for Fev. Even if its with the same pick they'd be getting from us anyway.
I'd agree with that but there is a big question mark over whether Carltoon will deal with us for Fev. Even if its with the same pick they'd be getting from us anyway.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
I agree that what we need to do is skip the middleman and go offer 14 to Carlton for Fev ourselves, but surely we must've made some agreement to Jolly that we'd get him here? He nominated us so I take that to mean that we offered him a deal, I'd imagine we can't just walk away and leave him, thats pretty scummy, though I guess it is Roos who is holding things up.
I agree that what we need to do is skip the middleman and go offer 14 to Carlton for Fev ourselves, but surely we must've made some agreement to Jolly that we'd get him here? He nominated us so I take that to mean that we offered him a deal, I'd imagine we can't just walk away and leave him, thats pretty scummy, though I guess it is Roos who is holding things up.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
Thats a decent alternative if we can get Carlton to deal - although i'd prefer Charman than Mumford wh is sh!t useless around the ground.
Thats a decent alternative if we can get Carlton to deal - although i'd prefer Charman than Mumford wh is sh!t useless around the ground.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
I'd say the post I responded to had more sarcasm than maybe even YOU intended it to have.
Using that comparison fails regardless. Just because Carlton were willing to give up pick 11 for him, doesn't mean Jolly should be taken with a top 10.
It's just a LITTLE more complicated than that.
Age, players relevance to the team after them, injury worries etc. Are all taken into consideration.
Jolly - 28yo Ruckman, not even top 3 in the league which is what you WOULD be using a top 10 pick for, to join a side with an average midfield he'd have almost no impact on.
McLean - 23 yo in and under mid who played in a dud side with almost no support, about to join one of the best young midfields in the league.
You do the math champ and still try and tell me Jolly is worth a top ten pick. If I was Sydney, I'd be thankful to be getting 14 for him. They only want 14 so they can get Fev.
I'd say the post I responded to had more sarcasm than maybe even YOU intended it to have.
Using that comparison fails regardless. Just because Carlton were willing to give up pick 11 for him, doesn't mean Jolly should be taken with a top 10.
It's just a LITTLE more complicated than that.
Age, players relevance to the team after them, injury worries etc. Are all taken into consideration.
Jolly - 28yo Ruckman, not even top 3 in the league which is what you WOULD be using a top 10 pick for, to join a side with an average midfield he'd have almost no impact on.
McLean - 23 yo in and under mid who played in a dud side with almost no support, about to join one of the best young midfields in the league.
You do the math champ and still try and tell me Jolly is worth a top ten pick. If I was Sydney, I'd be thankful to be getting 14 for him. They only want 14 so they can get Fev.
Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
And if Carlton do intend to move him. The more I hear about it the more I think Fev is going to stay. I don't believe the reports of him not wanting to go back or Judd not wanting him back.
#14 and a Fringe player will get Jolly to Collingwood and I think that is an absoloute bargain for one of the best rucks in the league.
And if Carlton do intend to move him. The more I hear about it the more I think Fev is going to stay. I don't believe the reports of him not wanting to go back or Judd not wanting him back.
#14 and a Fringe player will get Jolly to Collingwood and I think that is an absoloute bargain for one of the best rucks in the league.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
How about we Trade Leon to Port for pick #9 once they deal with Hawthorn... Then Trade Pick 9 to Carlton for Fev (surely too good to refuse) and Pick 14 for Ball. Then we hope to God that Frasers Body holds up. We effectively swap Leon and #14 for Ball and Fev. That would be handy.
How about we Trade Leon to Port for pick #9 once they deal with Hawthorn... Then Trade Pick 9 to Carlton for Fev (surely too good to refuse) and Pick 14 for Ball. Then we hope to God that Frasers Body holds up. We effectively swap Leon and #14 for Ball and Fev. That would be handy.
Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
Davis is under contract and I doubt he would agree with it. The only way Davis gets traded if it is to WA. Davis is not going anywhere IMO.
Davis is under contract and I doubt he would agree with it. The only way Davis gets traded if it is to WA. Davis is not going anywhere IMO.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
Actually he would go to South Australia. His mrs is from there and he is always over here.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
Apparently he was open to a trade to Adelaide where his partner has family. IIRC he was counselled by the club (along with Egan, Cox, again IIRC) at one point for leaving the team's hotel during an Adelaide trip, he wasn't out on the turps, just catching up with relatives.
Apparently he was open to a trade to Adelaide where his partner has family. IIRC he was counselled by the club (along with Egan, Cox, again IIRC) at one point for leaving the team's hotel during an Adelaide trip, he wasn't out on the turps, just catching up with relatives.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
OK thanks for clearing that up, still doubt he'll go anywhere.
OK thanks for clearing that up, still doubt he'll go anywhere.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
If Sydney continue to play hardball I have a feeling the Pies will not make the deal, meaning will will use pick 14 for Fev and maybe a player. Then use our second round to try and get Mumford or even Charman.
If Sydney continue to play hardball I have a feeling the Pies will not make the deal, meaning will will use pick 14 for Fev and maybe a player. Then use our second round to try and get Mumford or even Charman.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
Sydney won't be playing hard ball for long. If they've already made a deal for Fev then they want pick 14. They will agree to pick 14 for Jolly eventually, they wouldn't offer it to Carlton if they intended on stonewalling us.
The question is do we want to give them 14 and let them have Fev?
Sydney won't be playing hard ball for long. If they've already made a deal for Fev then they want pick 14. They will agree to pick 14 for Jolly eventually, they wouldn't offer it to Carlton if they intended on stonewalling us.
The question is do we want to give them 14 and let them have Fev?
Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
If all talks fall through, Fev stays, Jolly stays and Collingwood keep #14. I really can't see how Collingwood can play hardball in this situation. If you guys pull out of the Jolly deal I am sure Sydney and Carlton could arrange a trade amongst themselves in the final 2 days. That is if Sydney do actually want him.
Sydney will take #14 and a fringe player for Jolly. If it hasn't happened by tomorrow I think it may have fallen through.
If all talks fall through, Fev stays, Jolly stays and Collingwood keep #14. I really can't see how Collingwood can play hardball in this situation. If you guys pull out of the Jolly deal I am sure Sydney and Carlton could arrange a trade amongst themselves in the final 2 days. That is if Sydney do actually want him.
Sydney will take #14 and a fringe player for Jolly. If it hasn't happened by tomorrow I think it may have fallen through.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
No. Fev doesn't stay at Carlton, you need to comprehend that fact. He goes. Either to Sydney or Pieland.
Sure, Jolly could stay, indeed I'm quite happy for us to use pick 14 for Fev and let Jolly stay with Sydney while we go after Mumford or stay put. How is Sydney to land Fev without our pick 14 and having already traded their 2nd pick?
No. Fev doesn't stay at Carlton, you need to comprehend that fact. He goes. Either to Sydney or Pieland.
Sure, Jolly could stay, indeed I'm quite happy for us to use pick 14 for Fev and let Jolly stay with Sydney while we go after Mumford or stay put. How is Sydney to land Fev without our pick 14 and having already traded their 2nd pick?
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
They could use their first rounder. The only thing that suggests they won't is that they said so, nothings stopping them from changing their minds and throwing pick 6 up.
They could use their first rounder. The only thing that suggests they won't is that they said so, nothings stopping them from changing their minds and throwing pick 6 up.
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
If Sydney asked for Fev for pick 6 we could then land Jolly with 14 anyway. Snowflakes chance in hell that that would happen I suspect.
If Sydney asked for Fev for pick 6 we could then land Jolly with 14 anyway. Snowflakes chance in hell that that would happen I suspect.
Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
Sorry but there is no fact about Fev leaving Carlton. Carlton have put him up for trade that is the only fact about it. There are rumors Fev won't go back, Judd doesn't want him back etc. None of that is fact either just speculation.
Sydney could offer them pick #6 if they are so desperate for him but from the sounds of it Sydney are just not interested.
However Roos laughed when asked early on Wednesday afternoon if there was any truth to the rumour.
“We’re not even interested in Fevola. I keep saying it but no one believes me. We’ve got nothing to trade for him so we haven’t been involved at all,” he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85815/default.aspx
Sorry but there is no fact about Fev leaving Carlton. Carlton have put him up for trade that is the only fact about it. There are rumors Fev won't go back, Judd doesn't want him back etc. None of that is fact either just speculation.
Sydney could offer them pick #6 if they are so desperate for him but from the sounds of it Sydney are just not interested.
However Roos laughed when asked early on Wednesday afternoon if there was any truth to the rumour.
“We’re not even interested in Fevola. I keep saying it but no one believes me. We’ve got nothing to trade for him so we haven’t been involved at all,” he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85815/default.aspx
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
G-Mo, I think he is certain not to be playing 1sts at Carlton next year - The "I think" in that previous sentence is entirely redundant.
As for what the Pies need to give Sydney, perhaps you will just trade away a player that satisfies Carlton's wants (should the trade go through as proposed) so that Sydney don't have to lose a player they are familiar with and confident in.
Will be interesting to see the outcome!
G-Mo, I think he is certain not to be playing 1sts at Carlton next year - The "I think" in that previous sentence is entirely redundant.
As for what the Pies need to give Sydney, perhaps you will just trade away a player that satisfies Carlton's wants (should the trade go through as proposed) so that Sydney don't have to lose a player they are familiar with and confident in.
Will be interesting to see the outcome!
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Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
GM77, are you honestly going to believe that?
Roosy is foxing.
He is driving Fev's price down further before preparing an offer to pounce.
He is well aware pick 14 will just about get Fev across the line at Sydney, but it won't be enough to get him to Collingwood.
Lets just wait and see how this unfolds.
I'm in no hurry and neither is our football club.
We will do what is in our best interests and if it means not tradng for Jolly I can certainly live with that.
I think we will get the Ball deal done though.
GM77, are you honestly going to believe that?
Roosy is foxing.
He is driving Fev's price down further before preparing an offer to pounce.
He is well aware pick 14 will just about get Fev across the line at Sydney, but it won't be enough to get him to Collingwood.
Lets just wait and see how this unfolds.
I'm in no hurry and neither is our football club.
We will do what is in our best interests and if it means not tradng for Jolly I can certainly live with that.
I think we will get the Ball deal done though.
Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
Eh, aside from marketing, we don't need or want Fevola, I don't think. I think it's Carlton putting rumours out there, or journalists making stories up.
And if we're not going to trade pick 14 on for Fev, then I'd say Jolly, one of the best ruckmen in the comp, is worth more than just pick 14, who, in all likelihood, will be nothing special.
if Pick 14 was going to guarantee us Fev, then that's probably enough for Jolly (Jolly for Fev is a reasonable straight swap). But I don't think it will, so it's not enough.
Eh, aside from marketing, we don't need or want Fevola, I don't think. I think it's Carlton putting rumours out there, or journalists making stories up.
And if we're not going to trade pick 14 on for Fev, then I'd say Jolly, one of the best ruckmen in the comp, is worth more than just pick 14, who, in all likelihood, will be nothing special.
if Pick 14 was going to guarantee us Fev, then that's probably enough for Jolly (Jolly for Fev is a reasonable straight swap). But I don't think it will, so it's not enough.
Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
I dont get it, doesnt Jolly turn 28 or something next year? Why would we waste anything more than pick 14 on a bloke that no one can get more than a max of 4 years out of, when we could use the draft pick and get an up and coming gun player for 12-14 years?? and thats just the pick 14 let alone the extra draft pick/good young player that Sydney is demanding.
The likelyhood of either Jolly or the young draftee getting injured is in fact more likely with the ageing Jolly.
Seriously I'd be pissed at mick malthouse and his short term selfish greed if he was the one pushing for us to pass up having a young gun footballer for 12-14 years over someone of whom we could use for a max of 4 years. And besides after they were the ones that obviously orchestrated the whole stunt of Hawthorn suddenly being interested in Jolly and offering pick 9 turned out to be total horse sh**. in an attempt to rush us into the deal and offer more than fair value, I reckon we can tell them to be happy pick 14 is still even on the table.
After all the whole point of trading with a club that is going to lose a player, is to make our team better. Trading away pick 14 and a good name player and getting Jolly in return, I think will leave us worse off. Geez Sydney certainly havent lost any of that special ability in knowing how to ream us with unfair trading.
I dont get it, doesnt Jolly turn 28 or something next year? Why would we waste anything more than pick 14 on a bloke that no one can get more than a max of 4 years out of, when we could use the draft pick and get an up and coming gun player for 12-14 years?? and thats just the pick 14 let alone the extra draft pick/good young player that Sydney is demanding.
The likelyhood of either Jolly or the young draftee getting injured is in fact more likely with the ageing Jolly.
Seriously I'd be pissed at mick malthouse and his short term selfish greed if he was the one pushing for us to pass up having a young gun footballer for 12-14 years over someone of whom we could use for a max of 4 years. And besides after they were the ones that obviously orchestrated the whole stunt of Hawthorn suddenly being interested in Jolly and offering pick 9 turned out to be total horse sh**. in an attempt to rush us into the deal and offer more than fair value, I reckon we can tell them to be happy pick 14 is still even on the table.
After all the whole point of trading with a club that is going to lose a player, is to make our team better. Trading away pick 14 and a good name player and getting Jolly in return, I think will leave us worse off. Geez Sydney certainly havent lost any of that special ability in knowing how to ream us with unfair trading.
Re: so Sydney say Pick 14 is not enough
We need a decent ruckman on our team, and Jolly fits that description perfectly... would you be happy if we enter 2010 with Fraser as our number 1 ruckman still? (seriously, let's not over-rate Wood, the potential is there... but the ability isn't quite there yet)
if pick 14 guarantees a gun player.. then sure.. it would be a mistake to trade it for Jolly... but pick 14 (more like than not) is NOT going to get you a gun player who's gonna play for 12-14 years...
We need a decent ruckman on our team, and Jolly fits that description perfectly... would you be happy if we enter 2010 with Fraser as our number 1 ruckman still? (seriously, let's not over-rate Wood, the potential is there... but the ability isn't quite there yet)
